# Heroes 10/27/08 "Eris Quod Sum" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 28, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874 "2008-10-28T00:42:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/41 "2008-10-29T05:58:48Z")
Want to know something interesting? Arthur, and everyone else, is all impressed by how uber he is. Oh, I can absorb abilities. Big woop. Linderman killed [a woman after returning from Vietnam](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_Characters#Linda_Tavara) who could: \*absorb powers by touching people (ie, the same power) \*steal their lifeforce, Rogue-style \*tell if someone has a power by looking at them Plus, she is hotter than Linderman. So, there. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/42 "2008-10-29T06:35:45Z")
The novelty of the characters are the only thing that keeps this show going. The plotting and writing took a turn to retarded about halfway into season two and is still wandering the wasteland of lazy cliche hackwork. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/43 "2008-10-29T09:57:46Z")
By the way, how does Elle shower? ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/44 "2008-10-29T10:04:21Z")
> [@astro](#): > > The novelty of the characters are the only thing that keeps this show going. The plotting and writing took a turn to retarded about halfway into season two and is still wandering the wasteland of lazy cliche hackwork. The characters are also so cringingly overacted that I almost can’t stand to watch any more. What happened to subtle? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/45 "2008-10-29T10:21:14Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > By the way, how does Elle shower? I wondered about this - it would only affect her if she was actively using her power at the same time. Currently it’s arcing in uncontrollable bursts, undoubtedly interfering with bathing and drinking. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/46 "2008-10-29T12:59:58Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > The characters are also so cringingly overacted that I almost can’t stand to watch any more. What happened to subtle? Noah has been the only nuanced character from the beginning. Angela comes close to being nuanced, occasionally, but not so much. The rest of 'em? Over the top. _And_ the emo-hair looks to be making a comeback in two weeks, so hold on. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/47 "2008-10-29T13:18:05Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > By the way, how does Elle shower? With me. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/48 "2008-10-29T14:22:02Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I wondered about this - it would only affect her if she was actively using her power at the same time. Currently it’s arcing in uncontrollable bursts, undoubtedly interfering with bathing and drinking. She had stated when Claire first found her at the house that she couldn’t eat or sleep. Sleep, obviously, would be interrupted by the random electrical bursts, but eating or drinking would probably be too painful/debilitating. I imagine she has too much pride to tack on, “Oh, yeah, and I’m smelly 'cause I can’t shower, either.” ---
**Author:** ![Erasmus\_Darwin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@Erasmus\_Darwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Erasmus_Darwin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/49 "2008-10-29T14:22:50Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > A request - will people stop faulting Tracy for not behaving like Iceman from the X-Men. She doesn’t think or act like a comic book character. She’s afraid of her power, doesn’t know how it works, and has little control over her power. You’re not thinking things through. The fact that she doesn’t have control over her power is exactly why she should have ended up freezing the cocoon thing. She was panicked, she was being choked to death, and her system was almost certainly flooding with adrenaline. Considering the stress from the reporter was enough to make her accidentally freeze him, something like this should’ve made her power pop up full blast. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/50 "2008-10-29T15:04:13Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Noah has been the only nuanced character from the beginning. Angela comes close to being nuanced, occasionally, but not so much. The joys of portraying the ambiguously evil. Bob too- he just always seemed resigned to the inevitable need to send his baby girl out on missions to assassinate rogue agents. Also in the nuanced but clearly unevil category, Sandra-she’s quite the smart n’ sassy gal, now that the Hatian’s quit flushing her cerebellum every 3 weeks. > [@](#): > > The rest of 'em? Over the top. Nathan can work the subtle. Those catholic flashbacks he suffered in the first few eps were grossly out of character, but he could still have visibly impure thoughts about (whoever Ali Larter was portraying that week) while finding God. > [@](#): > > _And_ the emo-hair looks to be making a comeback in two weeks, so hold on. Ah, the Bangs of Compassion are joining us for the flashback. In what passes for the present on _Heroes_, Peter’s hair is getting longer again, telegraphing his move back to the side of the righteous. Gabriel’s is growing out freaky long, but slicked down; and Mohinder’s seems to be exuding gel from his scalp, flattening out the waves. I’m sure this is all symbolic or something. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/51 "2008-10-29T15:38:34Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > With me. Showering with Elle in her current state would be about a thousand times more painful than cooking bacon whilst naked. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/52 "2008-10-29T16:18:31Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#): > > Showering with Elle in her current state would be about a thousand times more painful than cooking bacon whilst naked. Everybody dies. At least I would die smiling. Better to burn out than to fade away. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/53 "2008-10-29T16:32:52Z")
> [@Erasmus\_Darwin](#): > > You’re not thinking things through. The fact that she doesn’t have control over her power is exactly why she should have ended up freezing the cocoon thing. She was panicked, she was being choked to death, and her system was almost certainly flooding with adrenaline. Considering the stress from the reporter was enough to make her accidentally freeze him, something like this should’ve made her power pop up full blast. Dude. This is a show where short-circuiting Elle threatens to send the plane down to its doom while she’s only touching her chair and the fusilage, _but_ once she’s touching Claire electrical doom is prevented. You are way overthinking things. Leave your brain cells behind; you’re watching _Heroes_ now. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/54 "2008-10-29T17:50:57Z")
I dunno… I’m with **Cuckoorex**. My wife and I were just about ready to delete our season pass for Heroes after the debacle of last season. (GonzoGal would say last season and half). But then the unthinkable happened. Heroes actually started to get interesting again. Maybe the plot twists are as silly as usual, and the hero/villian switch-ups are coming a bit fast and furious (and sometimes unbelievably) But the show’s entertaining again, the characters are starting to act mildly intelligent for once, and plot holes aren’t left dangling for a season like they used to be. Claire and Sandra figure out the one way to use Claire’s powers against puppet-guy. Claire and Peter actually notice that he should be dead after the fall. Hiro uses his powers cleverly to fake-stab Ando. Matt fakes out Fear-guy. … And on top of that we may finally be rid of Maya, Daphne’s turned out to be a really fun new character, and Tracy’s way less annoying than Niki/Jessica. We’ve reached critical mass with character background, where we can get fun stuff like Mohinder trying for revenge on Sylar, Tracy’s reaction to Meredith and vice versa. We’re (mostly) done with the tedious origin stories, and questions about the extent or nature of the main characters’ powers. It _seems_ like their at least trying to address the “Superman issue” with Hiro’s refusal to go back in time, and Peter’s depowering. The show seems to be almost firing on all cylinders again, and I’m actually enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/55 "2008-10-29T18:34:45Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > My husband mentioned something last night - couldn’t Claire’s blood heal Peter from his falling injuries? Wouldn’t that give him some of his powers back (if we recall correctly, that’s how Sylar got some of his powers back). Yes, just as Sylar has super-hearing and therefore the ability to listen in on the phone conversation somebody had right in front of him. He also shoudld have heard Claire and Elle talking out in front of the building before he pushed Peter out the window. > [@AllWalker](#): > > I thought that Sylar saved Peter by slowing his fall, right up until this moment: > Peter: “Sylar saved me by slowing my fall.” > There you go. Sylar saving Peter means that Peter figured out the obvious on his own. Can’t have that. It was at that point that I decided that Peter’s powers were just dumbed way down, not drained completely, and he’s started to regain them. A little flight, and just enough invulnerablity to survive the impact. ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/56 "2008-10-29T18:51:28Z")
I still like the show, but for the life of me I can’t figure out how Pa Patrelli’s powers work. I can see copying powers from people a-la Peter and Sylar. But how do you take them perminantly? The powers are supposed to be from some DNA mutation or chemical marker or something else that is fundamentally a part of your body. So PP’s power is to not only set your entire body chemistry back to ‘normal’, but also copy whatever ability you have into his body? That just doesn’t make any sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/57 "2008-10-29T18:54:24Z")
Imagine how disappointed Elle is going to be when Peter’s father says “sorry, not interested; I’ve already got that power.” Or “sorry, can’t help you; I can’t take a power from you if I’ve already got it.” ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/58 "2008-10-29T19:08:45Z")
> [@Atrael](#): > > I still like the show, but for the life of me I can’t figure out how Pa Patrelli’s powers work. I can see copying powers from people a-la Peter and Sylar. But how do you take them perminantly? The powers are supposed to be from some DNA mutation or chemical marker or something else that is fundamentally a part of your body. So PP’s power is to not only set your entire body chemistry back to ‘normal’, but also copy whatever ability you have into his body? That just doesn’t make any sense at all. If it’s along the same lines as how Sylar takes powers–essentially “rewiring” his brain to get them to work–then perhaps he does the same thing in reverse to the one he just took the powers from, “wiring” their brains against using the ability. Mohinder said that Peter was primed to be loaded up with new abilities, which I took to mean the genetic element is still there and the powers are simply not operating. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/59 "2008-10-29T19:55:10Z")
I really like how Daphne turned out. Initially, I was unimpressed but now that she has at least a little bit of a good side, she has become a lot more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874/60 "2008-10-29T21:19:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Yes, just as Sylar has super-hearing and therefore the ability to listen in on the phone conversation somebody had right in front of him. He also shoudld have heard Claire and Elle talking out in front of the building before he pushed Peter out the window. Sylar’s powers had been “reset” to his “See how things work” and TK powers only (this confirmed by the writers in interviews) so the super-hearing is gone. Sylar himself hints at this when he tells Claire that he “lost everything he had” at one point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-27-08-eris-quod-sum-spoilers/469874.md?page=4)