# Heroes 10/30 - "Better Halves" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2006, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533 "2006-10-31T02:17:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/61 "2006-10-31T16:53:12Z")
[QUOTE=The Controvert] Gypsy Rose is some obscure burlesque dancer [/quote] Obscure?! [Rose and Thorn](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_and_Thorn) I’ll have to listen to the ending narration again but I would be very surprised if as much time as this was spent setting up Niki and ikiN only to have her die in three seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/62 "2006-10-31T16:55:37Z")
Oh, and [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28comics%29) is the Thorn who **kurilla** was actually name-checking, although she wasn’t the original. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/63 "2006-10-31T17:09:19Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’ll have to listen to the ending narration again but I would be very surprised if as much time as this was spent setting up Niki and ikiN only to have her die in three seconds. [/QUOTE] Nah, she can’t be dead. She’s still got to get her (their?) son back. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/64 "2006-10-31T17:11:30Z")
I made a comment early on about Niki and Co. If my “Memento” idea pans out… it would not surprise me that Niki [if she is not dead, My money is on that ALL of Niki is dead] has other powers, along with hers and Hiro’s (i.e. Claires). Also: There is a Nisan Versa in the show? I must have missed it. Oh how I wish. Most blatant product placement ever – Ando and Hiro’s car rental scene ---
**Author:** ![jharvey963](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@jharvey963](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jharvey963)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/65 "2006-10-31T17:41:40Z")
I’ve got my doubts about how evil Evil Dad really is. Remember in Invasion how the Sheriff started out as a bad guy but had morphed into a good guy by the end of the season? I’m wondering if the Evil Dad character is actually being set up for a similar change from Evil to Good Guy. If you look at everything he’s done, **most** of it is ambiguous. They _implied_ that he killed Suresh, but we don’t know for sure. Yes, he has “brought in” some of the Heroes, but for what purpose we don’t know. They were returned unharmed except for missing their memory of the abduction (e.g., Telepa-cop). He did have his henchman “hollow out” the quarterback, but that can be explained as a father protecting his daughter. Yes, he **seems** pretty creepy, but I wonder if there won’t be some kind of transformation of his character / motives / actions as the series wears on? Can anyone think of something that we are sure that he did that has no other explanation? Time will tell. J. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/66 "2006-10-31T17:45:38Z")
[QUOTE=Tupug Anachi] “I have a sword?” Definitely the best line in the show. The glyph does look like half a DNA strand to me…at least in Issac’s picture. I thought Evil Dad’s other glasses just have a crack in them. **I can’t believe they just left us hanging about Telepa Cop**. I was not the least bit surprised that Evil Pixie is in cahoots with Evil Dad. [/QUOTE] He’s busy, he is still banging his wife. I don’t know if you caught it but in the preview for next week there was a brief shot of him running around with his gun drawn next to the FBI chick. I do wish someone would come in with a good explaination as to why they emphasized the shot of the broken glasses. The shot had to be there for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/67 "2006-10-31T17:54:45Z")
[QUOTE=simster] As for Niki-ikiN, I like how the prognostipainter ‘uncovered’ the glyph at the end, I also would not mind if she we’re actually dead, but then again, I still dont have a clue what her power is… is she super PMS girl or what? [/QUOTE] Think the hulk, only cuter. IIRC the proper superhero class would be a “bezerker”. Something sets her off and she amps up into someone capable of dismembering people with her bare hands. I assumed the gunshots at the poker game was the poker guy with the gun trying to stop Dopplebanger from going frappe’ on the room. ---
**Author:** ![guppy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7feea3/32.png) [@guppy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guppy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/68 "2006-10-31T17:54:47Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I do wish someone would come in with a good explaination as to why they emphasized the shot of the broken glasses. The shot had to be there for a reason. [/QUOTE] Maybe he can duplicate himself; that would explain him being in NY one second and TX the other. Maybe it’s the glasses off of a defeated/slain copy of himself. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/69 "2006-10-31T17:55:57Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I do wish someone would come in with a good explaination as to why they emphasized the shot of the broken glasses. The shot had to be there for a reason. [/QUOTE] Didn’t mohinder have a broken pair of glasses that had belonged to his dad? Was it the same pair? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/70 "2006-10-31T17:57:49Z")
Sorry somehow missed a whole page where there was the speculation about where the glasses came from. I’m not convinced about any of the theories yet. No way that Niki is dead. Ali Larter is featured prominently on all of the promotional material and the official website. Along with Adrian Pasdar she is just about the only one who had a name before the show. And she’s hot. No way is she dead. I just think she isn’t one of the “Heroes”. There has to be villians too, right? I seem to recall seeing a hand around her throat as well as one in her chest. I’m think that the hand in her chest stopped her cold and then he choked her into unconciousness. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/71 "2006-10-31T18:01:21Z")
[QUOTE=drachillix] Think the hulk, only cuter. IIRC the proper superhero class would be a “bezerker”. Something sets her off and she amps up into someone capable of dismembering people with her bare hands. I assumed the gunshots at the poker game was the poker guy with the gun trying to stop Dopplebanger from going frappe’ on the room. [/QUOTE] Or you can jump on my bandwagon and agree that [this is Ikin!](http://s145.photobucket.com/albums/r205/jeff612/?action=view¤t=1162311867.pbw) ---
**Author:** ![kurilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kurilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kurilla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/72 "2006-10-31T18:01:59Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Oh, and [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28comics%29) is the Thorn who **kurilla** was actually name-checking, although she wasn’t the original. [/QUOTE] Well, she was the original to _me_. I’m a child of the Silver Age – and one who appreciated the Golden Age history link. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/73 "2006-10-31T18:03:19Z")
**Otto** , way upthread you pointed out Claire’s geeky friend’s choice of words about “coming out” and how he really wasn’t flirting with her. For the record, I immediately thought they were hinting he is gay. Count me among those who don’t think Niki is dead. No way would they build up her character like that, have her finally get some clues about her true nature, and then dispatch her in a few seconds. **E-Sabbath** : that wasn’t David Carradine. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/74 "2006-10-31T18:04:56Z")
Yep I just watched it again on [NBC.com](http://NBC.com). You can go straight to the last part of the episode. DL shoves his right hand into Niki’s chest. It stops her cold. Then he reaches through her chest and his hand comes out the top and closes around her throat. She is not dead, just unconcious. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/75 "2006-10-31T18:26:25Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Oh, and [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28comics%29) is the Thorn who **kurilla** was actually name-checking, although she wasn’t the original. [/QUOTE] Your Thorn character pre-dates my [Typhoid Mary](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary_%28comics%29), but that’s who I originally thought of. If ikiN only had super-strength, you’d think she’d be covered in gore by the time she got done with that poker game. Could there be a telekinetic aspect to her powers? No way is she dead though. The Vision has been knocking people out by partially re-solidifying his hand in peoples’ chests for ages. Didn’t Kitty Pryde eventually learn to do that too? I know she could take out electronics by phasing through them. **jharvey963** , I like Ambiguously EvilDad more and more. He’s willing to “bring him in” and have his assistant “go deep” but he’s almost a bit affectionate the way he handles people. He can be stern in a fatherly way but he hasn’t deliberately hurt anyone. He could have shot Nathan but I don’t think he ever had any intention of doing so. As long as he finds what he’s looking for, or doesn’t find what he’s looking for, you’re free to go. No harm done. Have a nice day. I don’t believe he had anything to do with Papa Suresh’s death. That was Sylar. [QUOTE=Lightnin’] So, let’s see… Telepacop= Charles Xavier Flying Petrelli= Angel Murse= Rogue Ghost Dad= Kitty Pryde Hiro= Nightcrawler Cheerbleeder= Wolverine Niki= Beast? Prognostipainter= uh… I dunno. Where’re Storm, Cyclops, and Colossus? [/QUOTE] They’re playing mix & match. Telepacop = Jean Grey? Flying Petrelli = Angel. He’s wealthy, cocky. Peter = A little bit Rogue, a little bit Xavier DL = Definitely Kitty Pryde Hiro = That’s a toughie. A little bit Xavier - bringing the group together, “freezing” people to get away. Cheerbleeder = Half Wolverine, for regeneration. Niki = Wolverine. Ee-Sack = Dunno. [Destiny?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_%28Irene_Adler%29) EvilDad = Chuck Xavier or; Mohinder = Chuck Xavier [QUOTE=cbawlmer] Otto, way upthread you pointed out Claire’s geeky friend’s choice of words about “coming out” and how he really wasn’t flirting with her. For the record, I immediately thought they were hinting he is gay. [/QUOTE] Nah. “Coming out” has entered modern parlance to mean all sorts of “comings out.” He lurves Claire. ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/76 "2006-10-31T18:27:56Z")
[QUOTE=kurilla] I had a shower-thought about Claire this morning [/QUOTE] :dubious: Aw, dude. **AED** is so going to kick your ass for that. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/77 "2006-10-31T18:43:59Z")
This week’s online comic is out… it’s about Niki, DL’s “crew”, and the $2 million. [http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel\_006.shtml](http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_006.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![kurilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kurilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kurilla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/78 "2006-10-31T18:44:13Z")
[QUOTE=malkavia] :dubious: Aw, dude. **AED** is so going to kick your ass for that. :eek: [/QUOTE] Heh. **AED** can have Claire. I’m female; she’s not my type. Next time I’ll say I had a story-related thought while in the shower. Will that work? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/79 "2006-10-31T18:44:37Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Nah. “Coming out” has entered modern parlance to mean all sorts of “comings out.” He lurves Claire. [/QUOTE] Oh, I don’t think it’s a really solid possibility but the “believe me I’m not” coming directly before the “coming out” line kinda caught my ear. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533/80 "2006-10-31T19:14:47Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Oh, I don’t think it’s a really solid possibility but the “believe me I’m not” coming directly before the “coming out” line kinda caught my ear. [/QUOTE] Our boy protesteth too much. 😉 “Are you flirting with me?” “Oh God no! Gross! Never!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-30-better-halves-spoilers/378533.md?page=5)