# Heroes 11/05/07 - "Out of Time" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343 "2007-11-05T22:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/41 "2007-11-06T07:53:44Z")
[QUOTE=mnemosyne] Interesting that the painting of Peter looking through the glass at the bodies shows him with a scar. … [/QUOTE] But he has similar lines on his chin and neck. I don’t think it’s meant to be a scar, I think it’s meant to be a highlight. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/42 "2007-11-06T07:55:13Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] Seems to me that Niki in the painting is pounding on a metal surface, not the Bob’s wooden door. [/QUOTE] I still think it’s Elle trapped in a shipping container. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/43 "2007-11-06T07:58:42Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] Seems to me that Niki in the painting is pounding on a metal surface, not the Bob’s wooden door. [/QUOTE] Not seeing it. Could be wood, could be metal. I don’t think there’s a need to read too much into that. That’s the scene. The vial scene already happened, too, when Niki attacked Mohinder. The DP was a little sloppy in matching things up exactly. All that’s left is Mohinder firing, and Noah lying dead. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/44 "2007-11-06T08:08:19Z")
[QUOTE=Pel2na] Timeline question. In the Future, the Supervisor told Peter that the first cases of the virus were reported in March of 2007. I figured “Okay, there’s a benchmark”, but then two of the newly discovered paintings are dated June and July. Now I wish I’d paid more attention to the dates they start each show with. Or is this just another continuity mangle? [/QUOTE] Those aren’t dates, their sequencing numbers. The last one, of Noah dead, is numbered 8/8, 8th in a series of 8. March 2007 is “four months later” than the November date the bomb was supposed to go off. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/45 "2007-11-06T08:10:36Z")
[QUOTE=Morbo] I still think it’s Elle trapped in a shipping container. [/QUOTE] According to [here](http://heroeswiki.com/Series_of_eight_%28painting%29), Tim Sale confirmed it’s Niki. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/46 "2007-11-06T08:11:02Z")
[QUOTE=Cuckoorex] Nice how they bring it back around to “Save the cheerleader, save the world”; turns out she’ll save the world by somehow containing/destroying the virus, it seems. [/QUOTE] Where’ve I seen that storyline before? Wolverine in the X-Men cartoon, maybe? With Forge or Cable… ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/47 "2007-11-06T08:11:55Z")
[QUOTE=Morbo] I still think it’s Elle trapped in a shipping container. [/QUOTE] It’s definitely Nikki in this episode, around the 41 minute mark. Same lighting, same corrugated surface in the background, as she’s first banging on the door. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/48 "2007-11-06T08:18:32Z")
[QUOTE=scotandrsn] Not seeing it. Could be wood, could be metal. I don’t think there’s a need to read too much into that. That’s the scene. The vial scene already happened, too, when Niki attacked Mohinder. The DP was a little sloppy in matching things up exactly. All that’s left is Mohinder firing, and Noah lying dead. [/QUOTE] Correction: The painter was sloppy in matching up the images. From [Greg Beeman’s blog](http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/): > [@](#): > > One interesting fact – Isaacc Mendez’s painting of Peter at the window of the future-morgue, which is one of the first images in the show, was painted by Tim Sale AFTER we shot the Peter scene. (It’s better all-around if Tim paints the paintings afterwards, because he can perfectly match the images we shoot. If he paints a painting ahead of time, we have to struggle to re-create them in production, (and sometimes issues like perspective make it really difficult to do this.) But the scene in which we see the painting in Russia, with HRG, was shot BEFORE. In fact it was seen in last weeks episode. What we did to make this possible is we painted a canvas with green-screen-green paint, and the visual effects guys tracked in Tim’s painting over the green canvas. That’s the kind of visual effect most people would never guess. Pretty cool, huh? And as long as I’m cutting and pasting, > [@](#): > > There were several fun projects for us on this one. Of course, sending Peter to the future was one of them. On a purely intellectual level this is fun, because early in prep we had a lot of discussions about WHICH future was this? It’s not the future from 5 years after the bomb blew up. It’s the future 1 year from now when the virus is released. Right away that started lots of spirited debates amongst the crew – So does the five-year-in-the-future-after-the-bomb still exist on an alternate timeline? Or did it fade away? If Peter has to go back to the future to save Caitlin at some point, how will he know which future to go to? That’s something I love about this show. You can be in the middle of, say, a props meeting and suddenly a metaphysical debate breaks out. Personally, whenever in doubt, I refer to BACK TO THE FUTURE 2 where Doc Brown (complete with chalkboard) clearly lays out how alternate timelines work. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/49 "2007-11-06T13:10:56Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Why was he so sure they had the same power? Matt never demonstrated any power other than reading minds, until he was able to get himself and Nathan out of the nightmare, which Bob didn’t know about (did he?). [/QUOTE] I can answer this: Matt was abducted in Season 1 by “The Company,” and it is likely and even hinted at that they keep track of all the people with powers. Likely they are all cataloged and their movements closely monitored. Of course Bob knows Matts power, they LET him live. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/50 "2007-11-06T13:15:46Z")
[QUOTE=Epimetheus] I can answer this: Matt was abducted in Season 1 by “The Company,” and it is likely and even hinted at that they keep track of all the people with powers. Likely they are all cataloged and their movements closely monitored. Of course Bob knows Matts power, they LET him live. [/QUOTE] Good catch, though my follow up question is… how can they tell exactly what power someone has if the person hasn’t shown it yet? By what means could Bob et al. determine that Matt had much greater powers, equal to Maury, if Matt himself didn’t know and never showed it? I’m not saying you’re wrong, the Company may well know more about these people than they know about themselves, but how do they get that information? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/51 "2007-11-06T13:30:57Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Good catch, though my follow up question is… how can they tell exactly what power someone has if the person hasn’t shown it yet? By what means could Bob et al. determine that Matt had much greater powers, equal to Maury, if Matt himself didn’t know and never showed it? I’m not saying you’re wrong, the Company may well know more about these people than they know about themselves, but how do they get that information? [/QUOTE] That I don’t know. I would imagine they would have to if they know the extent of his powers, or it could have been a gamble. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out the company has somebody working for them that has the ability to gauge another’s power. Or the technology to do so. Also, if kids inherited their powers, what about Micah (I think Nikki would know if she gave birth to him)? What about Claire’s mother who can control fires with her mind? How come Claire isn’t a phoenix and regenerates by catching on fire and coming out of the ashes (even assuming Adam is her father)? If the powers are genetic, then it would make sense that they are carried down by their children (unless they can skip generations of course). I’m not saying it is outside of the realm of possibilities, just that I don’t see it happening in this storyline(it would make too much sense, as obviously the ability to have powers is carried on because you don’t see people with powers having kids that don’t have any at all, and from an evolutionary standpoint, if the trait is inheritable, it would probably be the same) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/52 "2007-11-06T14:09:54Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Good catch, though my follow up question is… how can they tell exactly what power someone has if the person hasn’t shown it yet? By what means could Bob et al. determine that Matt had much greater powers, equal to Maury, if Matt himself didn’t know and never showed it? [/QUOTE] Recall that Matt is missing a day that the Haitian took from him. Admittedly it’s a fanwank, but in that time the testing they performed on him could have revealed the extent of Matt’s ability, which the Haitian’s tampering then concealed from him. And, once again to all, Niki is spelled with just one K. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/53 "2007-11-06T14:18:53Z")
[QUOTE=Epimetheus] That I don’t know. I would imagine they would have to if they know the extent of his powers, or it could have been a gamble. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out the company has somebody working for them that has the ability to gauge another’s power. Or the technology to do so. [/quote] Kind of a meta-power, the power to tell what powers someone else has. Maybe the Haitian? We haven’t been shown that there’s some way to gauge the extent of someone’s powers, though, not definitively. > [@](#): > > Also, if kids inherited their powers, what about Micah (I think Nikki would know if she gave birth to him)? Niki didn’t know Micah had powers, and neither did DL. Remember the surprise when he showed up with a bag full of money he’d “talked” out of the ATMs? > [@](#): > > If the powers are genetic, then it would make sense that they are carried down by their children (unless they can skip generations of course). I’m not saying it is outside of the realm of possibilities, just that I don’t see it happening in this storyline(it would make too much sense, as obviously the ability to have powers is carried on because you don’t see people with powers having kids that don’t have any at all, and from an evolutionary standpoint, if the trait is inheritable, it would probably be the same) Now I’m confused. The powers do seem to be genetic-- it seems that everyone who has a power has at least one relation who also has one. However, not EVERY member of a family has powers just because a relative does (Mohinder has no powers, even though Shanti did; Micah’s cousin, Monica’s brother, has no powers). Overall, it does seem to run in families, though until Matt/Maury, there seemed to be no pattern with who had what powers. ETA: I didn’t see Otto’s last post when I made mine, mentioning the Haitian (great minds think alike) but I did spell “Niki” correctly anyway! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/54 "2007-11-06T14:50:19Z")
As I was watching this, and as a father of a teenage girl, I think the writers got a ‘typical’ teenage girl’s reaction right from Claire. Of course, moving is the smart, safe thing to do. But Claire doesn’t want to be told what to do, nor does she want to just leave her first boyfriend. Mohinder is dumb as a brick. Bob and Noel are equally ambiguously evil. Told you Takezo Kensai was _not_ Linderman, which seemed to be the most popular guess. I’m guessing that the longer the jump in time/space, the more inaccurate Hiro is, with stress and planning time contributing factors. That’s why he was able to save Ando from Sylar quickly in season one (he had time to prepare while Sylar played typical bragging villian), but couldn’t return from his excellent adventure (which started with an emergency jump) until many months later. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/55 "2007-11-06T14:53:42Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] Now I’m confused. The powers do seem to be genetic-- it seems that everyone who has a power has at least one relation who also has one. However, not EVERY member of a family has powers just because a relative does (Mohinder has no powers, even though Shanti did; Micah’s cousin, Monica’s brother, has no powers). Overall, it does seem to run in families, though until Matt/Maury, there seemed to be no pattern with who had what powers. [/QUOTE] I wonder if having two powered parents makes a difference in the development of an offspring’s powers. Claire has different powers from both her mom (fire) and dad (flight). So does Micah. So, presumably, do the Petrelli boys. Matt, on the other hand, for all we know only had one super for a parent–his dad–making it more likely they inherited the same power. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/56 "2007-11-06T15:15:21Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Mohinder is dumb as a brick. Bob and Noel are equally ambiguously evil. [/QUOTE] For once, I don’t think Mohinder was being dumb, as he usually is. He had a choice between two evils to make – evil Bob and the Company, and evil Noah and his family. Mohinder just decided to go with the evil that would not end up with 93% of the world dead, even if that meant that Noah’s family and most of the heroes would end up captured and being experimented on. He knew he was faced with two bad options, but that he had to make a choice. So he did. Although I did sort of think that Bob’s reaction had an implied “Why are you telling me this (you idiot)?” to it. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/57 "2007-11-06T15:37:25Z")
Did both Molly’s parents have powers? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/58 "2007-11-06T15:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Did both Molly’s parents have powers? [/QUOTE] Sylar killed them both without opening their heads, so I’m guessing not. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/59 "2007-11-06T15:56:43Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] Sylar killed them both without opening their heads, so I’m guessing not. [/QUOTE] I thought the dad’s head had been cut open? ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343/60 "2007-11-06T16:12:14Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I thought the dad’s head had been cut open? [/QUOTE] [It was.](http://heroeswiki.com/Image:MollysFather.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-05-07-out-of-time-spoilers/425343.md?page=4)