# Heroes 11/12/07 - "Four Months Ago" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2007, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184 "2007-11-12T22:12:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/121 "2007-11-15T13:54:07Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Recall that last season he was unable to phase in time to avoid Jessica’s first shot from hundreds of feet away. There’s no way his reaction time could have been such that he could phase in response to a shot fired at point-blank range. [/QUOTE] Wasn’t he shot in the shoulder? My memory is fuzzy, but I thought he got hit, then phased. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/122 "2007-11-15T14:29:22Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] Dude, seriously, about a dozen of the previous posts cleared up how they’re related. [/QUOTE] My apologies, I responded to the post before seeing the ones that came after it. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/123 "2007-11-15T15:27:55Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Wasn’t he shot in the shoulder? My memory is fuzzy, but I thought he got hit, then phased. [/QUOTE] Jessica had the sniper rifle and hit him in the shoulder with her first shot. Her second shot hit the car and her third shot would have been a kill shot to the head but DL phased. She was several hundred feet away and DL was unable to respond fast enough to the sound of the shot to phase, so at a range of three inches there’s no way. People are clinging to false hope on the basis of not seeing the body, but this is still after all a prime time American TV show. There’s only so much gore they’re going to show and the gore of a point blank shot to the body is likely past what S&P is going to allow. We’re lucky we get the largely bloodless decapitations. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/124 "2007-11-15T15:30:18Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] In the season finale Peter said “I can’t control it. I can’t do anything.” which is a pretty clear indicator that Peter wasn’t able to fly because he was struggling to keep from exploding. [/QUOTE] Call me a pedant, but I took that line to mean “I can’t do anything… to stop myself from exploding.” Enough other people I’ve talked to or read online seem to be confused as well that I’m glad they put it in there. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/125 "2007-11-15T15:46:40Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] People are clinging to false hope on the basis of not seeing the body, but this is still after all a prime time American TV show. There’s only so much gore they’re going to show and the gore of a point blank shot to the body is likely past what S&P is going to allow. We’re lucky we get the largely bloodless decapitations. [/QUOTE] When I say “seeing the body,” I mean a dead body either lying on the ground or at the funeral or on a slab at the morgue. I don’t need the blood and the giblets and the intestines spilling out to signal “dead,” I just need someone saying “yup, he’s dead.” Plus, DL just survived a shot to the gut not a few months ago. I realize the man is not indestructible, but “we didn’t show the body so we can resurrect him if need be” is a tried-and-true Hollywood convention. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/126 "2007-11-15T16:18:33Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Jessica had the sniper rifle and hit him in the shoulder with her first shot. Her second shot hit the car and her third shot would have been a kill shot to the head but DL phased. She was several hundred feet away and DL was unable to respond fast enough to the sound of the shot to phase, so at a range of three inches there’s no way. People are clinging to false hope on the basis of not seeing the body, but this is still after all a prime time American TV show. There’s only so much gore they’re going to show and the gore of a point blank shot to the body is likely past what S&P is going to allow. We’re lucky we get the largely bloodless decapitations. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I reread your original post now under the influence of caffeine, and realize I misinterpreted you the first time. Coffee is a wonderful drug. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/127 "2007-11-15T16:27:10Z")
This may have been mentioned in a previous thread, but in addition to the blog of Heroes’ producing director [Greg Beeman](http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com), there’s also a regular feature on the site Comic Book Resources called [Behind the Eclipse](http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12289), where two of the producing writers for the show answer fan questions. Some good clarifying stuff. I’ve linked to the last one they did before the strike, which was episode six, and it has links at the bottom to the entries for the other weeks from this season. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/128 "2007-11-15T17:37:47Z")
DL will be back - all they have to do is inject him with ‘super healing’ blood from Kensie (or Peter or Clair)… ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/129 "2007-11-15T17:48:21Z")
[QUOTE=simster] DL will be back - all they have to do is inject him with ‘super healing’ blood from Kensie (or Peter or Clair)… [/QUOTE] Not sure about blood from Peter. Healing was not an innate power of his. Also, how would super healing blood work on a long dead corpse pumped full of embalming fluid. I think they’d have better luck bringing DL back by pumping him full of Worcestershire sauce. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/130 "2007-11-15T17:49:28Z")
mmm…Worcestershire sauce… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/131 "2007-11-15T18:05:27Z")
[QUOTE=Maus Magill] Not sure about blood from Peter. Healing was not an innate power of his. Also, how would super healing blood work on a long dead corpse pumped full of embalming fluid. I think they’d have better luck bringing DL back by pumping him full of Worcestershire sauce. [/QUOTE] Well, Claire was in mid autopsy when a ‘stick’ was removed from the brain, she’s none the worse for wear… I will assume that even embalming doesn’t replace the bone marrow (that produces real blood). And all I’m really saying is that the new ‘super blood’ is a bad writers escape (much like time travel, etc…) - it’s not a real theory, just something they ‘can’ do. (As for Peter’s Power of Absorbing Powers, it’s not a stretch that he will be able to learn the full extent of the power absorbed, the real problem is Peter figuring out what he does/doesnt know how to do) ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/132 "2007-11-15T20:39:10Z")
[QUOTE=simster] Well, Claire was in mid autopsy when a ‘stick’ was removed from the brain, she’s none the worse for wear… [/QUOTE] Speaking of which, they did show her innards when she was filleted and supine. Surely a gut wound from a handgun would be less gory than that. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/133 "2007-11-15T22:52:15Z")
[QUOTE=Lightray] … I must admit, the whole Angela thing has made me cranky. It does look like they’re going for a lame mind-control power (that usually doesn’t work, apparently), _and_ that they’ve violated the “notable clue for the viewers” set-up for her powers only. All the other heroes have _some_ clue that they’re using powers, when they’re using powers, usually audio cues and camera tricks. I’m just finding it… annoying. [/QUOTE] They process her voice in a similar but much milder way than they did with Eden. I have the impression of remembering subtle video cues too, but I can’t remember anything specific. [QUOTE=D\_Odds] I have often wondered this as well. My wild-eyed theory is that powers are awakened in the presence of another powered being. The people have the genetic markers, but their powers are dormant until awoken. Hiro awoke Adam, and Adam has been responsible, through the years, of inadvertently awakening others. I know submit my theory to peer review. [/QUOTE] Well, it’d be a grandfather paradox, if Adam was supposed to be the first. If Adam never met Hiro, Adam wouldn’t have activated and then activated other heros, which in turn would lead to Hiro never having gone back in time to activate Adam’s power because His (Hiro’s) powers were never activated. [QUOTE=Saltire] I’m not sure why Angela Petrelli would want her son to lose his family. Even without a persuasive power, she was definitely making up a story to drive Nathan’s wife away. I know she’s going to remain opaque, but I really would like to know her reasoning for some of the crap she pulls. [/quote] I’m not sure she was trying to break up his family, but to keep secrets buried. If Nathan came clean about his power, the New York plot, etc., and she believed him, that’s dangerous to Angela. So she tried to blow it off as “did he try to tell you he could fly? Yeah, unfortunately delusions run in the family…” [QUOTE=Otto] Jessica had the sniper rifle and hit him in the shoulder with her first shot. Her second shot hit the car and her third shot would have been a kill shot to the head but DL phased. She was several hundred feet away and DL was unable to respond fast enough to the sound of the shot to phase, so at a range of three inches there’s no way. [/quote] Nit: rifle rounds typically travel supersonically at that distance and he’d be hit before there was a sound to react to. In this case, yeah, definitely not enough reaction time unless he saw the gun first. Was he looking the other way? The blood spatter seems to contradict it, although technically he could’ve phased and someone standing next to him went splat. DL’s death was pretty lame. Some macho guy gets weirded out by a dude that he put his fist through, a guy who is now leaving and is no longer a threat, so Mr. Macho decides that he has to track him down and murder him in a crowded public place? Weak. What would’ve made more sense would be to have Niki/Whatever her name is this week (Gina?) refuse to cooperate with DL, DL tries to force her, Mr. Macho struggles with DL, sees him phase and views him as an immediate scary as fuck threat, and in a continued struggle shoots him. That would’ve made more sense both practically (the guy killed him in a scared/struggling/threatning moment, rather than deliberate murder for no reason) and thematically (Niki being out of control lead to the struggle, and hence DL’s death). ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/134 "2007-11-16T02:36:11Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] DL’s death was pretty lame. Some macho guy gets weirded out by a dude that he put his fist through, a guy who is now leaving and is no longer a threat, so Mr. Macho decides that he has to track him down and murder him in a crowded public place? Weak. [/quote] Never underestimate stupid. Throw in some wounded pride from having lost the dick waving contest over the crazy chick, you’re pretty much guaranteed some stupid. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/135 "2007-11-16T04:24:04Z")
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet in all the talk about whether DL is dead or not but an ad I saw tonight made it pretty clear that somebody we think is dead isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/136 "2007-11-16T04:36:25Z")
Castro? Isaac? DL? Nakamura-san? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/137 "2007-11-16T09:40:59Z")
[QUOTE=Annie] Never underestimate stupid. Throw in some wounded pride from having lost the dick waving contest over the crazy chick, you’re pretty much guaranteed some stupid. [/QUOTE] Yeah, people have been murdered over stupider shit, to be sure. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/138 "2007-11-16T14:17:33Z")
Something else no one has mentioned… Nathan was healed three weeks before the premiere. But he was sporting the serious Grizzly Adams look. That is some mighty impressive beard growth for three weeks. Maybe there’s more to Kensei’s blood than just healing… Or maybe not… ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/139 "2007-11-16T15:26:13Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] Something else no one has mentioned… Nathan was healed three weeks before the premiere. But he was sporting the serious Grizzly Adams look. That is some mighty impressive beard growth for three weeks. Maybe there’s more to Kensei’s blood than just healing… Or maybe not… [/QUOTE] I dunno. I can get that much growth in three weeks, and I’m not even Italian. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184/140 "2007-11-16T15:33:52Z")
[QUOTE=Maus Magill] I dunno. I can get that much growth in three weeks, and I’m not even Italian. [/QUOTE] Well I am Italian and this… [http://heroeswiki.com/Image:FourMonthsLater.jpg](http://heroeswiki.com/Image:FourMonthsLater.jpg) …is still damn impressive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-12-07-four-months-ago-spoilers/426184.md?page=8)