# Heroes 11/13 - "7 Minutes to Midnight" - SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 14, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340 "2006-11-14T02:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/61 "2006-11-14T18:18:56Z")
[QUOTE=running piglet cheese] I’m a little confused about Matt and Radioactive Man’s conversation. They both, or at least Matt, had the powers before the missing two days, but didn’t they say things were different afterwards? What was different? [/QUOTE] Nope, they both only began having their powers _after_ their blackouts. You can revisit their conversation in Part 3 on the nbc site ([Watch - NBC.com](http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/?show=heroes)). The radioactive guy’s story starts at 6:50, and Matt says how it happened to him starting at about 5:33. I have a question. In the last episode, wasn’t there a fade out/in between the markings on the radioactive guy’s neck and the marks on Matt’s neck that showed them being over the same shoulder as each other’s? In the interrogation room in this episode, when they each showed their marks, radioactive guy’s was over his left shoulder, which is where I recall it being, but Matt’s seems to have moved to his right side. Does anyone still have that episode taped or tivoed who can check? ---
**Author:** ![kurilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kurilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kurilla)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/62 "2006-11-14T18:24:00Z")
Even later to the party this week, but everyone’s covered most of the points I thought of. Only thing I’m wondering is, Hubby is convinced that the photo on the back of the book in last night’s episode is different from the photo on the back of the same book in New York (Mohinder and maybe Peter had it?). Hubby says that the New York photo showed the author in a turban. Can anyone confirm? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/63 "2006-11-14T18:34:23Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Nope, they both only began having their powers _after_ their blackouts. [/QUOTE] But that’s wrong. In the first tele-cop episode, he could read minds _before_ he was abducted. The first mind he read was the little girl’s at the Sylar crime scene. He mentioned Sylar, he was arrested because they thoguht that was him, he proved to the FBI chick he could read minds, so they let him go. He was then out at a bar getting a drink and just having fun reading people’s minds when he got to The Haitian and blacked out. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/64 "2006-11-14T18:35:42Z")
[QUOTE=kurilla] Only thing I’m wondering is, Hubby is convinced that the photo on the back of the book in last night’s episode is different from the photo on the back of the same book in New York (Mohinder and maybe Peter had it?). Hubby says that the New York photo showed the author in a turban. Can anyone confirm? [/QUOTE] Yes, you can get more details and see the conflicting images [here](http://heroeswiki.com/Chandra_Suresh) (scroll down to the Trivia section). ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/65 "2006-11-14T18:36:19Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] I have a question. In the last episode, wasn’t there a fade out/in between the markings on the radioactive guy’s neck and the marks on Matt’s neck that showed them being over the same shoulder as each other’s? In the interrogation room in this episode, when they each showed their marks, radioactive guy’s was over his left shoulder, which is where I recall it being, but Matt’s seems to have moved to his right side. Does anyone still have that episode taped or tivoed who can check? [/QUOTE] I had the same confusion as you until I realized the fade out, was from Radioactive man straight on, and then Telecop in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/66 "2006-11-14T18:37:19Z")
[QUOTE=kurilla] Only thing I’m wondering is, Hubby is convinced that the photo on the back of the book in last night’s episode is different from the photo on the back of the same book in New York (Mohinder and maybe Peter had it?). Hubby says that the New York photo showed the author in a turban. Can anyone confirm? [/QUOTE] This has been established as true, but as to whether or not it’s important, we don’t know yet. The very first time we saw the book, it had Papa Suresh (the guy from the flashbacks) on the back cover. The second time, it was a dude with a turban, and now this time it’s back to the “real” Papa Suresh. Some people think it has to do with Hiro going back and messing up the timeline somehow, or maybe it was just a prop department mistake (perhaps that was the original actor hired to play Daddy, but he left, and they had to get the other guy, but already made a prop book and forgot to remove it from the prop closet, or something.) ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/67 "2006-11-14T18:45:40Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] But that’s wrong. In the first tele-cop episode, he could read minds _before_ he was abducted. The first mind he read was the little girl’s at the Sylar crime scene. He mentioned Sylar, he was arrested because they thoguht that was him, he proved to the FBI chick he could read minds, so they let him go. He was then out at a bar getting a drink and just having fun reading people’s minds when he got to The Haitian and blacked out. [/QUOTE] Hmm, that’s right. Well, either they completely forgot the sequence of events as they’d actually played out in previous episodes, or there was some prior blackout period that preceded him hearing voices that hasn’t been shown yet, because in this episode, he clearly described how his voice-hearing started after his 2-day blackout. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/68 "2006-11-14T18:57:30Z")
[QUOTE=FlightlessBird] I had the same confusion as you until I realized the fade out, was from Radioactive man straight on, and then Telecop in the mirror. [/QUOTE] Ah, that makes sense then. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/69 "2006-11-14T20:37:26Z")
I’m guessing that EvilDad and the MindMute have made _several_ visits to Radioactive Man and the ThoughtCop – mostly because during the drunken escapade we saw EvilDad said the ThoughtCop was coming along faster than expected. Random Hiro Speculation: This was the first time he’s jumped into the _past_ (going to the future and back isn’t the same, neither is coming back to the past from the future where he has a sword and more control). Perhaps something screwed up… Or the waitress is a ditz and he doesn’t know what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/70 "2006-11-14T20:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] Hmm, that’s right. Well, either they completely forgot the sequence of events as they’d actually played out in previous episodes, or there was some prior blackout period that preceded him hearing voices that hasn’t been shown yet, because in this episode, he clearly described how his voice-hearing started after his 2-day blackout. [/QUOTE] No, he clearly described _being unable to stop_ the mind reading after the abduction. The same thing that Tim described. There was no statement about not being able to do things, it was about being unable to control those abilities. > [@Telepathic Cop](#): > > And now I can’t stop hearing people’s thoughts. Their powers started running out of control after Evil Dad’s abductions. We saw this for Telepathic Cop a few weeks ago when he heard a jumble of voices in the convenience store. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/71 "2006-11-14T22:30:27Z")
Here’s a question that’s about to make my head explode: Hiro goes back in time to save the waitress and then a few minutes later we see the photograph of her birthday that Hiro is now a part of, which apparently means he went further back in time that he thought he would but presumably saved her life…but if he did save her life then why is his friend still sitting in the cafe waiting for him? And why are the police and investigators still milling around looking for clues? If Hiro changed the past, wouldn’t that automatically alter the present? Meaning all the investigators would suddenly disappear because the waitress was not killed? Or are they now there investigating an attempted murder? Ow, my brain. Does this make any sense to anyone else. I’m confusing myself. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/72 "2006-11-14T23:23:02Z")
[QUOTE=Just Some Guy] No, he clearly described _being unable to stop_ the mind reading after the abduction. The same thing that Tim described. There was no statement about not being able to do things, it was about being unable to control those abilities. Their powers started running out of control after Evil Dad’s abductions. We saw this for Telepathic Cop a few weeks ago when he heard a jumble of voices in the convenience store. [/QUOTE] No, I don’t think that’s what their conversation represented, at all. However, neither was my original response to the question, as asked. After rewatching the video and transcribing the relevant scenes, it’s obvious that these guys _think_ the appearance of their power has something to do with their encounter with the Haitian. Couple that with some sloppy writing and you have some very confusing dialog. Here’s the transcript. . . > [@](#): > > Part 2, from 0:56 > > Matt: “C’mon, just take me back. **Take me back to when this all started, OK? Just start from the beginning.** Good.” > > Ted (thinking): “I blacked out, and when I woke up, everything started dying.” “Start from the beginning.” Clearly Matt means the actual beginning of when Ted first started experiencing his bizarre power, not when it went out of control. And Ted’s experience seems to reflect that he only noticed his ability to kill things after he regained consciousness. > [@](#): > > Matt: “You blacked out? How long were you out for? Were you drinking? When you came to, did you have bruises on your arms?” > > Ted (thinking): "I’ll do you one better. . . " (shows the two lines on his neck) > > Audrey: “What’s the matter, Parkman?” > > Matt, shows the same two lines on his neck. > > Part 3, from 6:52 > > Ted: “I was in Kansas a couple months back. I’d just made a big sale to the University hospital. Dialysis machines. Commission was gonna give Karen and me enough money. . . (trails off). I went to the uh, to the hotel bar. Buy everybody a few rounds. There weren’t many people there; a couple from Wyoming, some professors, a student from, uh, Haiti (Matt sits up taller, his eyes become wider). The next thing I know, I’m waking up in my car. It’s 2 days later, and I’m in Tempe, Arizona, these weird cuts and bruises all over me. And a couple of days later, I started to notice things; I’d buy my wife flowers and they’d wilt.” Again, clearly placing the sequence of events as, 1. Haitian encounter, 2. Weird powers start happening. > [@](#): > > Matt: “Ok, what about your health? I mean, were you sick, did you have headaches?” > > Ted: "Yeah, headaches. But, uh, Karen, the doctor said she had radiation poisoning. > > Matt: “From you?” > > Ted: “I was killing her.” > > Audrey: "Are there any other bodies out there we don’t know about? I’m just saying. . . " > > Matt: “This is not his fault. We’re just trying to figure this out. Look, the same thing happened to me. Ok, I blacked out. I lost 2 days.” “The same thing happened to me,” only, it didn’t. We know this because they actually showed us Matt having mind-reading power prior to his encounter with the Haitian. > [@](#): > > Audrey: “You should’ve told me about this.” > > Matt: "I should’ve done a lot of things. Up until now, I haven’t told anyone, not even my wife. And now I can’t stop hearing people’s thoughts. It’s painful. I’m hearing things that I should not be hearing. > > Ted: “Like what?” > > Matt: "Things that could ruin lives. Things that could end marriages. The guy that you described, the student. He was, uh, Haitian. Big guy? Bald? > > Ted: “Yeah. Yeah!” > > Matt: “I’m tellin’ ya, I think I saw this guy right before, right before I blacked out. too.” > > Audrey: “What are you guys talking about? A Haitian guy?” > > Ted: “These things that we can do, they’re not normal. We were cut, we were injected, blacked out. What knows what they did to us.” > > Matt: “Or, how they’ve changed us.” > > The Feds come in, take Ted away and Matt starts yelling at Audrey to get him back in there because, **“He’s gonna help me figure out what happened to me.”** I’m attributing this whole thing to sloppy writing. Why would Matt think what happened to him followed when he blacked out after seeing the Haitian, when that didn’t happen until after he heard the little girl’s voice under the stairs at the crime scene? It simply doesn’t make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/73 "2006-11-14T23:34:01Z")
I’m slightly fanwanking Matt’s speech to mean that while he was occasionally hearing thoughts before he was kidnapped but after he was kidnapped it was a) much more frequent and b) painful to the point of making him pass out. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/74 "2006-11-14T23:37:24Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] I’m trying to remember if Eden ever used her power of persuasion on Mohinder. Did she whisper to him when he was in New York? Is that why he went back to India and started acting like he didn’t care about his father’s work? [/QUOTE] She did say “you’ll be back, I know it” or something, didn’t she? Maybe it’s a delayed suggestion. [QUOTE=AuntiePam] (We need a Lost-type questions thread.) [/QUOTE] Nooooo! Then they’d never get answered! 😛 [QUOTE=Otto] She seemed to extrapolate to some extent on the knowledge. Note that she spoke some Japanese that wasn’t in her phrase book. [/quote] I took that to mean that Hiro was really shy/modest. That he was acting as if he thought she was moving on to the next phrase in the book, not calling him sweet. The word “sweet” or whatever their equivelant was might’ve been in the book she read months ago. I don’t think you can conclusively infer anything from that scene. [QUOTE=running piglet cheese] Are you asking if Isaac was sincere in his desire to kick heroin habit? If so, I believe it was pretty clear that he was. He refused to shoot up when Bennet brought him dope and he also needed Eden’s power of persuasion to make him awilling participant. [/QUOTE] I think he may be suggesting alien-head-chick (Eden?) was using her powers of influence to break his psychological addiction. Her line about “his body doesn’t need it anymore, but his mind does” or something similar contradicts that. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2006, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/75 "2006-11-14T23:48:48Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] The word “sweet” or whatever their equivelant was [/QUOTE] They said ‘Sweet’, in English. I didn’t catch it when she said it, but when Hiro repeated it to Ando, he clearly said she called him ‘Suuiito’ - Sweet in heavily accented Japanese. Given that she explained what she meant to Hiro, it seems she was inserting some random English into the Japanese phrase, without actually knowing if Hiro would know what it meant - ie, it didn’t come out of a phrasebook, and she’s not actually extrapolating anything beyond, perhaps, a simple grasp of Japanese grammar, depending on whether the book she was learning from was the ‘here’s some stock phrases, memorise them’ or ‘here’s some basic grammar and vocabulary, plus some useful phrases’ type. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2006, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/76 "2006-11-15T01:08:37Z")
Japanese borrows a whole lot of words from English, but most deal with things not really native to their culture, or technologically new, so I doubt “sweet” would be among them. What I meant by equivelant is that people learning new languages often think that idioms transfer over and such - so if you were to say the direct translation of sweet, saying you’re a sweet person, depending on the language, they might think you’re describing how they taste. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@The\_Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Octagon)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/77 "2006-11-15T01:54:53Z")
[QUOTE=Greywolf73] Here’s a question that’s about to make my head explode: Hiro goes back in time to save the waitress and then a few minutes later we see the photograph of her birthday that Hiro is now a part of, which apparently means he went further back in time that he thought he would but presumably saved her life…but if he did save her life then why is his friend still sitting in the cafe waiting for him? And why are the police and investigators still milling around looking for clues? If Hiro changed the past, wouldn’t that automatically alter the present? Meaning all the investigators would suddenly disappear because the waitress was not killed? Or are they now there investigating an attempted murder? Ow, my brain. Does this make any sense to anyone else. I’m confusing myself. :eek: [/QUOTE] Christ, that’s the bloody CLIFFHANGER. Something obviously went wrong. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2006, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/78 "2006-11-15T02:56:48Z")
[QUOTE=Tupug Anachi] Hey, is next week the lasts show before they go into hiatus? [/QUOTE] According to Enetrtainment Weekly, Dec 4 is the last show before hiatus, and the return is sometime in January. About the Matt storyline, are we positive that the bar scene where he passed out (and we first saw the Haitian) was chronologically after his hearing the girl? I know it was presented that way, but I’m just curious if it’s possible they messed around with the timeline without explanation. I tend to doubt it, as the writers don’t seem as into malicious chain-jerking as the Lost writers, but I thought I’d toss it out there. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2006, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/79 "2006-11-15T02:57:15Z")
Maybe Hiro went back to the birthday party and convinced her not to come to work on the day she was killed. Did we see the cops milling around after Hiro left to save her? I remember seeing Ando, but no cops. ---
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2006, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340/80 "2006-11-15T05:17:06Z")
I just watched the episode and the damned tivo cut the last scene, so it was great to read (immediately) what Ando saw. I’ve now set it to record 1 minute further…grr Hadn’t Chandra Suresh been embarking on this study for enough years to make it possible that his Sylar was the boy Iyer when the file was first compiled? I, like another poster, find it hard to believe that the similarity in names is a coincidence. We don’t really know what Sylar’s powers are, but he may be able to bend time much like Hiro. I suggest it because I found the scene at the can opener to be confusing: She was distracted by a popping sound, then turned back to her can-opening. Then another pop, and the top of her head was missing. But I’m also confused by the cop/Haitian/radiation man timeline. We have only seen Matt since he was able to hear voices, so I’m hoping that we’ll find out he had an earlier blackout to explain the contradiction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-13-7-minutes-to-midnight-spoilers/380340.md?page=5)