# Heroes 11/20 - "Homecoming" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 21, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234 "2006-11-21T02:05:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/141 "2006-11-22T17:07:06Z")
[QUOTE=El Perro Fumando] 3. Yes, I was a big nerd who freeze-framed the show on the computer screen Mohinder accessed with the list of names. On it is DL, Niki, Isaac, Nathan, Matt, Hiro, and then cut off at the bottom is someone from Midland, TX. There are 7 people whose names are shown completely that are not in the show (yet?) including one from Frostburg (woohoo! Maryland!). Notably not shown were Peter and Micah (since both have a family member on the list). [/QUOTE] The person from Midland presumably is Charley the diner waitress. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/142 "2006-11-22T17:21:46Z")
[QUOTE=El Perro Fumando] 2. There have been comments that maybe the supersmart waitress is not dead, just missing. A slight wrinkle comes in where AED shows Eden pictures of Sylar’s victims without the tops of their heads, and the waitress is in one of the pictures. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I noticed that, but chalked it up to my pet theory that Hiro’s changing of the time stream is a ripples-in-the-pond kind of thing. It takes a while for changes to take effect, particularly if they’re far enough back in time. Making too big a change might be what causes a rift. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/143 "2006-11-22T17:27:24Z")
[QUOTE=Priam] Look I know some folks get pissy about the use of weird nicknames for the characters in these threads, but could you please just _move on?_ Sure they can be as confusing as using the real names, but no one seems to hesitate to explain who or what they’re referring to. You’re not going to change, say, **Otto** ’s mind, and people quickly resolve any confusion that results, so won’t that do as a satisfactory compromise? . [/QUOTE] Why not _just use the real names_? This _is_ the SDMB- dedicated to eradicating ignorance, not spreading it. Let’s try that for a while. I am not asking for much. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/144 "2006-11-22T17:33:48Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Why not _just use the real names_? This _is_ the SDMB- dedicated to eradicating ignorance, not spreading it. Let’s try that for a while. I am not asking for much. [/QUOTE] Because people have made it clear that they _won’t_, despite multiple arguments in every thread since the beginning. Would you try to turn back such an irrelevant tide, Canute? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/145 "2006-11-22T17:34:33Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] This _is_ the SDMB- dedicated to eradicating ignorance, not spreading it. Let’s try that for a while. I am not asking for much. [/QUOTE] There is nothing ignorant about choosing to do things a different way. Such condescension is ugly. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/146 "2006-11-22T17:44:40Z")
[QUOTE=Priam] Because people have made it clear that they _won’t_, despite multiple arguments in every thread since the beginning. Would you try to turn back such an irrelevant tide, Canute? [/QUOTE] Sure. Why not? Once they know what they are doing is seemthing that many fellow members don’t like, they’ll stop, right? I mean, you’re not saying they would deliberately be a jerk for something so trivial? How about this- “Fellow Dopers, fellow members- I ask you, politely, to \*please \* stop using confusing nicknames and such. PLEASE. Thanks. I appreciate it.” **jsgoddess** : it’s not “choosing to do things a different way” it’s choosing to do things in a way that many members can’t understand- and there’s no easy way of just figuering it out. If we can’t _understand it,_ it’s spreading ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/147 "2006-11-22T17:45:50Z")
[QUOTE=Priam] You’re not going to change, say, **Otto** ’s mind. [/QUOTE] I’d just like to point out that I think I’ve used exactly one nickname in this thread, and did so right after using the character’s real name. I initially used nicknames because I didn’t know the characters’ real names yet and because I found them amusing. The prediction was made several threads ago that as we all became more familiar with the real names the use of nicknames would drop off, and that’s definitely seemed to be the case. And yeah, to reiterate, **DrDeth** and whoever else wants to get snippy over nicknames, get over it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/148 "2006-11-22T17:50:18Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’d just like to point out that I think I’ve used exactly one nickname in this thread, and did so right after using the character’s real name. And yeah, to reiterate, **DrDeth** and whoever else wants to get snippy over nicknames, get over it. [/QUOTE] I didn’t blame you. Why should I “get over it?” It’s not just me, many have asked for the same thing. It’s a polite request made by a fellow member- why not honor it? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/149 "2006-11-22T17:53:18Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] I didn’t blame you. Why should I “get over it?” It’s not just me, many have asked for the same thing. It’s a polite request made by a fellow member- why not honor it? [/QUOTE] Some of us enjoy using the nicknames. Also, some people here are typing-challenged, and typing “Mr. Bennett” is a lot more effort than “AED”, particularly since we didn’t learn his name until several episodes in. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/150 "2006-11-22T17:56:02Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] **jsgoddess** : it’s not “choosing to do things a different way” it’s choosing to do things in a way that many members can’t understand- and there’s no easy way of just figuering it out. If we can’t _understand it,_ it’s spreading ignorance. [/QUOTE] If you can’t understand it after reading the thread, I cannot help you. It was used numerous times. In fact, look at this post: > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > > [@Slacker](#): > > > > No, Mr. Bennett, Claire’s father. > > Oh. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the various shorthand. I thought we were still going with AED. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/151 "2006-11-22T17:58:29Z")
[QUOTE=AndrewL] Here’s a thought I had, and maybe I’m just being crazy here. What if they saved the wrong cheerleader? Everyone’s assuming that “Save the Cheerleader” refers to Claire. But Jackie was also a cheerleader, and she’s dead - they didn’t save her. Maybe she was the cheerleader they were supposed to have saved. [/QUOTE] Do we know for sure Jackie is dead? We saw Sylar beginning his brain slice thing, but she seemed to still be alive because she said something while he was doing it. Then Sylar saw Claire and dropped Jackie before he was finished. At least it looked that way to me. [QUOTE=Lissa] Is AED immune to Eden’s powers? She argued with him about Isaac rather than just looking at him and saying, “You don’t want me to do that.” [/QUOTE] I keep wondering that too. AED seems so confident around super beings and his two main henchmen - one can wipe your brain and the other can control you with voice. He never wakes up in the middle of the night wondering; “did I _voluntarily_ give those two a pay raise last year?” [QUOTE=DrDeth] [Quote=jsgoddess] AED = Ambiguously Evil Dad [/quote] Could it hurt to write "Claire’s Dad or Mr Bennett? Please, no impossible to figure out silly-assed nicknames and such. [/QUOTE] I don’t know why we have to go through this every week. We’ve been using AED for awhile now which leads me to believe this is the first time you’ve ever read a Heroes thread and not only that, but the first 30 times it was used in context in this thread still left you confused? “Lurk (or at least read) before posting” is what keeps the cool newbs from revealing themselves to be simply noobs. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/152 "2006-11-22T18:09:58Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] If you can’t understand it after reading the thread, I cannot help you. It was used numerous times. In fact, look at this post: [/QUOTE] Which indicates that others were confused as well. Look, I made a reasonable request, and asked politely. If you choose not to honor that request, fine. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/153 "2006-11-22T18:15:06Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Which indicates that others were confused as well. [/quote] Sure. It also indicates that all of the information was in the thread, and had you read the thread you couldn’t claim ignorance. > [@](#): > > Look, I made a reasonable request, and asked politely. If you choose not to honor that request, fine. Okay. I choose not to. I will use whatever name is convenient and likely to be understood by the current readers of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/154 "2006-11-22T18:15:51Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Do we know for sure Jackie is dead? We saw Sylar beginning his brain slice thing, but she seemed to still be alive because she said something while he was doing it. Then Sylar saw Claire and dropped Jackie before he was finished. At least it looked that way to me. [/QUOTE] Her warning to Claire seemed like pretty standard last gasp fare to me (especially since it sorta redeemed her character, who was never really central anyway). I’d say that, coupled with the whole head slicing thing, makes her a goner. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/155 "2006-11-22T18:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] I keep wondering that too. AED seems so confident around super beings and his two main henchmen - one can wipe your brain and the other can control you with voice. He never wakes up in the middle of the night wondering; “did I _voluntarily_ give those two a pay raise last year?” [/QUOTE] Could he have a power that prevents others from using their power on him? Wait. Has anyone used a power on-screen while he was in close proximity? Could he have a power that dampens the power of others? Like, er, that kid in the last X-Men movie? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/156 "2006-11-22T18:22:10Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Could he have a power that prevents others from using their power on him? Wait. Has anyone used a power on-screen while he was in close proximity? Could he have a power that dampens the power of others? Like, er, that kid in the last X-Men movie? [/QUOTE] Flight? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/157 "2006-11-22T18:37:09Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] Flight? [/QUOTE] Ack. Yes, you’re right. I had forgotten that one. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/158 "2006-11-22T18:50:48Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Could he have a power that prevents others from using their power on him? Wait. Has anyone used a power on-screen while he was in close proximity? Could he have a power that dampens the power of others? Like, er, that kid in the last X-Men movie? [/QUOTE] Nathan flew when he was close by. Matt read his thoughts, which [del]EAD[/del] Mr Bennet found surprising but apparently because of the presence of the Haitian. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/159 "2006-11-22T18:53:23Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Wait. Has anyone used a power on-screen while he was in close proximity? [/QUOTE] Matt read his mind. ‘Who’s Claire?’ and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234/160 "2006-11-22T19:51:00Z")
I really liked this episode. The actual battle to ‘save the cheerleader’ we’ve been building to for several weeks now was a bit anti-climactic however. Peter and Sylar grab each other and fall to their ‘deaths’ in all of about five seconds? Maybe Peter took on Sylar’s power there which Sylar wasn’t prepared for? It’s not clear. Sweet little Pixie Stix sure had some cojones as she matter-of-factly took down the powerful mass-murderer Sylar. And her ears look fine to me. 🙂 Regarding the names that came up on the computer when Mohinder typed in the password, I typed them up and the ones we could see were: ```auto Felipe Acerra Deceased D.L. Hawkins Las Vegas, NV [Ghost Dad] Byron Bevington Marshfield, VT Niki Sanders Las Vegas, NV [Dopplebanger] Daniel Buzzetti Greeley, CO Isaac Mendez New York, NY [the Prescient Painter] Tracy Chobham Frostburg, MD Nicholas Patra Deceased Paula Gramble Monteith, IA Curtis Hovesplan Grant Pass, OR Nathan Petrelli New York, NY [the Flying Congressman] Noel Menzies Deceased Pankala Burton Albert Lea, MN Teresa Hue Pham Shreveport, LA Matthew Parkman Los Angeles, CA [Though Policeman] Hiro Nakamura Tokyo, Japan [Super-Hiro] ? Midland, TX [Charlie the waitress?] David Berman New York, NY Leonie Pinkham Deceased Adam Soo Hoo Kailua, HI Linda Tavara Deceased Norman Ventris Deceased Sparrow Redhouse New Mexico Amid Halebi Los Angeles, CA Michelle V? Candace Wi? Harry Flet? Ethan Kimb? Deceased Abu Aswan Frank Cava? Deceased Diego Vela? Deceased Jess Murph? Deceased Sue Lande? Pam Green ``` For several of them the full name or location couldn’t be seen. I indicated the people we know, so there are a bunch we haven’t met yet. And of course the list may very well be quite a bit longer, we just didn’t see all of it. Except for Hiro, they’re all from the US as well, so there could be many more from the rest of the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-20-homecoming/381234.md?page=9)