# Heroes 11/27 - "Six Months Ago" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 27, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988 "2006-11-27T21:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/181 "2006-12-03T12:00:16Z")
If Hiro has come to the realization that he can’t change the past, why would he even go back to Peter to tell him ‘save the cheerleader, save the world’? ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/182 "2006-12-03T13:04:20Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] If Hiro has come to the realization that he can’t change the past, why would he even go back to Peter to tell him ‘save the cheerleader, save the world’? [/QUOTE] Maybe Today Hiro thinks that he can’t change the past, but Future Hiro knows subtle ways to influence it. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/183 "2006-12-03T15:46:05Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] If Hiro has come to the realization that he can’t change the past, why would he even go back to Peter to tell him ‘save the cheerleader, save the world’? [/QUOTE] You can fanwank this one: Hiro learned from the Charlie incident that **he** can’t change the past. That’s why asks **Peter** to change the past on the subway. Weak, certainly, but you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/184 "2006-12-03T15:50:10Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] I watched the end of this epi again. Here’s what I saw with Charlie- she’s staring (into a mirror). [/quote] She’s not staring into a mirror. She’s standing in the diner’s kitchen, in the process of opening a large can of food. The shot is the _exact same footage_ from “Seven Minutes to Midnight” when she’s killed by Sylar. Why the re-use of the exact same footage that established that Charlie was killed by Sylar would lead anyone to think that she has now somehow died of something other than Sylar-related causes is a mystery to me. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/185 "2006-12-03T19:42:52Z")
[QUOTE=USCDiver] If Hiro has come to the realization that he can’t change the past, why would he even go back to Peter to tell him ‘save the cheerleader, save the world’? [/QUOTE] We know Hiro can change the past, it’s just a question of how much and in what way. Maybe it’s like the “transparent aluminum” effect. If you don’t know who invented it and it doesn’t seem overly important who invented it, and you find yourself back around the time it was invented, you can go ahead and make sure it gets invented. Charlie came into possession of a Japanese phrase book. Did Hiro originally give it to her, or does it not matter than much to the time stream as long as somehow she gets it and Hiro went back and became the reason she got it? So maybe future Hiro knows Peter needs to come into possession of the message “save the cheerleader, save the world” but he’s not absolutely sure how Peter originally gets this message but he’s willing to risk a time-rift to become the reason Peter gets that message. Ow, ow, ow. Brain hurt now. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/186 "2006-12-04T15:37:17Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] She’s not staring into a mirror. She’s standing in the diner’s kitchen, in the process of opening a large can of food. The shot is the _exact same footage_ from “Seven Minutes to Midnight” when she’s killed by Sylar. Why the re-use of the exact same footage that established that Charlie was killed by Sylar would lead anyone to think that she has now somehow died of something other than Sylar-related causes is a mystery to me. [/QUOTE] I don’t understand the confusion either. Hopefully they will drag he brainless corpse out tonight so everyone can see. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/187 "2006-12-04T22:36:06Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] She’s not staring into a mirror. She’s standing in the diner’s kitchen, in the process of opening a large can of food. The shot is the _exact same footage_ from “Seven Minutes to Midnight” when she’s killed by Sylar. Why the re-use of the exact same footage that established that Charlie was killed by Sylar would lead anyone to think that she has now somehow died of something other than Sylar-related causes is a mystery to me. [/QUOTE] Because if she didn’t die from the brain aneurism, why introduce it at all? They could have shown Sylar finding her anyway, even if Hiro convinced her not to show up to work, if they wanted to emphasize that she was to die at Sylar’s hand. Or are you suggesting that, realizing she is to die, Hiro figures “Eh! Dying quietly in her sleep, or feeling her skull ripped open, makes no difference to me. I just won’t do anything.” I just don’t think the writing is that sloppy. Especially now that they’ve shown us a very clever reason why Nathan seems in denial about his powers of flight. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/188 "2006-12-04T22:59:10Z")
Maybe they wanted to make a point about there being things even time-traveling can’t solve. Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/189 "2006-12-04T23:08:30Z")
[QUOTE=scotandrsn] Because if she didn’t die from the brain aneurism, why introduce it at all? They could have shown Sylar finding her anyway, even if Hiro convinced her not to show up to work, if they wanted to emphasize that she was to die at Sylar’s hand. [/quote] I’ve already advanced a theory on why they introduced the aneurysm. Sylar seems to assume the powers of others by somehow examining their brain structures and modifying his own brain to match. If he transformed his brain to gain Charlie’s power, then he may have also have gained her aneurysm. > [@scotandrsn](#): > > Or are you suggesting that, realizing she is to die, Hiro figures “Eh! Dying quietly in her sleep, or feeling her skull ripped open, makes no difference to me. I just won’t do anything.” I have not suggested anything of the sort. Hiro was apparently constiported back to the present against his will and then unable to return to the past. Nothing to do with his giving up or changing his mind about wanting to save her or not carng how she died. I have no idea what would lead you to even think that I think such a thing. > [@scotandrsn](#): > > I just don’t think the writing is that sloppy. Especially now that they’ve shown us a very clever reason why Nathan seems in denial about his powers of flight. Nathan is not in denial about his powers. He has used them once to save Peter and once to save himself. What Nathan has said is that he doesn’t believe just being able to fly is enough to make him the sort of “hero” that Peter wants to be and wants him to be. I don’t think the writing on these points is sloppy at all. I have also advanced a theory based on Nathan’s “all I can do is fly” speech that his ability to fly will be the _only_ way to prevent the destruction of NYC, that Nathan will fly whoever or whatever (Ted, Sylar, etc.) is about to blow up the city out to sea, sacrificing himself to save millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/190 "2006-12-05T14:50:04Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’ve already advanced a theory on why they introduced the aneurysm. Sylar seems to assume the powers of others by somehow examining their brain structures and modifying his own brain to match. If he transformed his brain to gain Charlie’s power, then he may have also have gained her aneurysm. [/QUOTE] Wow. That’d have to be one pretty lame superpower that can detect, from a distance of several feet, that a watch runs a couple seconds slow, but upon close examination of a brain, can’t tell it’s got a lethal aneurysm waiting to pop… ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/191 "2006-12-05T15:16:48Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] Wow. That’d have to be one pretty lame superpower that can detect, from a distance of several feet, that a watch runs a couple seconds slow, but upon close examination of a brain, can’t tell it’s got a lethal aneurysm waiting to pop… [/QUOTE] Well, if he wasn’t _looking_ for the aneurysm, or if the aneurysm is a by-product of that particular power (since we’ve now seen that physical damage can result from using powers - Matt’s nosebleed, Peter’s difficulties), it’s still possible. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/192 "2006-12-05T15:17:58Z")
I’d miss Nathan though - he’s the perfect foil for Peter and Hiro, without being on the DL/Niki/Jessica side of things. For being a superpowered politician he strikes me as one of the more realistically realized characters. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/193 "2006-12-06T01:20:28Z")
Has anyone mentioned the cleverness of the Charlie’s cafe being called the “Burnt Toast Cafe”?. Or is that just a Canadian thing? ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/194 "2006-12-06T12:21:44Z")
[QUOTE=kung fu lola] Has anyone mentioned the cleverness of the Charlie’s cafe being called the “Burnt Toast Cafe”?. Or is that just a Canadian thing? [/QUOTE] Must be a Canadian thing - I don’t get it. Can you explain, please? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/195 "2006-12-07T02:13:22Z")
[Here ya go](http://www.histori.ca/minutes/minute.do?id=10211). ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2006, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/196 "2006-12-07T04:07:43Z")
**kung fu lola** , that’s pretty cool! I wasn’t familiar with it either. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2006, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/197 "2006-12-07T12:22:07Z")
Thanks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988.md?page=9)