# Heroes 11/27 - "Six Months Ago" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 27, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988 "2006-11-27T21:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/81 "2006-11-28T18:16:14Z")
Sorry for the double post, but I thought of a couple more points. Hiro sure seemed suddenly good at using his power six months ago. It took him a few minutes to get from missing his target by 180 days to being able to go to the flower shop and back in an instant. Same with the 1,000 cranes trick. Though I guess they both are from stopping time, not teleportation, and he’s always been good at stopping time. If he didn’t teleport back to Midland, did he at least teleport back to the USA? It seems that Japanese or American officials would notice the same guy entering the US twice without returning to Japan in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/82 "2006-11-28T18:21:06Z")
I liked the fact that Hiro is a fan of the Tokyo (Yakult) Swallows and would remember a win by them from a particular date. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/83 "2006-11-28T18:37:54Z")
[QUOTE=cantara] And after last weeks discussion of her ears, can I nominate Eden to be called Yoda? [/QUOTE] Hmm… Eden has too many nicknames already. Yoda, Pixie, protoEden (where did this come from?). If we’re throwing out nicknames, may I suggest _Female Persuasion_? ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/84 "2006-11-28T18:45:43Z")
I enjoyed this episode, and am really looking forward to next weeks big culmination. I’m wondering however if it’s bugging anyone else how much these characters keep bumping into each other. Eden just happens to be pulled over by Officer Parkman. Hiro crossed paths with Niki/Ikin, Captain Congress, Charlie and Ghost Dad (and Mikah). There have been other instances too. I realize it’s sort of a storytelling convention, but it bugs me a little that these six or eight people, no matter where they are in the country, just happen to end up in the same places at the same time. For anyone who’s missed any, or just wants to catch them all again, the Sci-Fi channel will be showing a marathon of the first six episodes of Heroes tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/85 "2006-11-28T19:04:15Z")
[QUOTE=Santos L Halper] I enjoyed this episode, and am really looking forward to next weeks big culmination. I’m wondering however if it’s bugging anyone else how much these characters keep bumping into each other. Eden just happens to be pulled over by Officer Parkman. Hiro crossed paths with Niki/Ikin, Captain Congress, Charlie and Ghost Dad (and Mikah). [/QUOTE] Hasn’t bothered me at all. It’s _destiny_. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/86 "2006-11-28T19:26:03Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Aren’t there stiches that dissolve after a while? [/quote] Yes. I know this because when I was 9 or so, I had to have them stitched into the muscles behind my eyeballs. Yep, that might be even less pleasant than it sounds like. > [@](#): > > If Claire got those kind of stiches then her accelerated healing may have caused them to deteriorate. Or maybe the wound was closed with surgical glue? Fanwanky, I know. I don’t know why we need to debate or justify this - I thought it was just clearly evidence of her power manifesting itself - more weakly, as it took some time to heal. If it wasn’t her powers, then she’d have a scar of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/87 "2006-11-28T19:27:35Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] Did Nathan scratch his own face to make it look like he’d been injured, too? Or are we supposed to think that ge got hurt when he hit the pavement when he fell from the sky? [/QUOTE] Adrian Pasdar was in motor vehicle accident in his college freshman year, leaving him with scars and in a wheelchair for months. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/88 "2006-11-28T19:52:56Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I think Mr Bennet is aware of the supers because whatever agency he is working for has known for a long time. At least since around the time Claire was born. He knew Claire’s parents were different and he knew to expect the same from Claire. You can assume whoever he is working for has a bunch of Sureshes working on it. Papa wasn’t the first to find out, he was just foolish enough to publish a book. She still died by cranial can opener. They replayed it again to prove it. She was sick before Hiro got there. Hiro did not lose his power, he just couldn’t use it in the fashion he wanted to. Apparently the cosmos has a self-correcting feature that will allow him to change things like meeting Charlie 6 months early but won’t allow him to keep her from dying. [/QUOTE] By going into the past, the past caught up with him. His control went back to six months ago level and he returned to where he should have been. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/89 "2006-11-28T20:13:00Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] I don’t know why we need to debate or justify this - I thought it was just clearly evidence of her power manifesting itself - more weakly, as it took some time to heal. If it wasn’t her powers, then she’d have a scar of some sort. [/QUOTE] I don’t think it’s a question of justifying the healing. What he’s saying is that the mom said on-screen that the cut was going to need stitches (and I’d agree based on the size of the cut). Presumably they would’ve taken Claire to the ER and the doctor would’ve stitched her up. But when she unwrapped the bandage the wound was healed and there were no stitches. So what happened to the stitches that she presumably would’ve gotten? They should’ve still been in her palm. Hence, my fanwank. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/90 "2006-11-28T20:15:37Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Adrian Pasdar was in motor vehicle accident in his college freshman year, leaving him with scars and in a wheelchair for months. [/QUOTE] She’s referring to Nathan’s injury which we saw in the hospital while he was waiting for his wife to get out of surgery. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/91 "2006-11-28T20:49:35Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I don’t think it’s a question of justifying the healing. What he’s saying is that the mom said on-screen that the cut was going to need stitches (and I’d agree based on the size of the cut). Presumably they would’ve taken Claire to the ER and the doctor would’ve stitched her up. But when she unwrapped the bandage the wound was healed and there were no stitches. So what happened to the stitches that she presumably would’ve gotten? They should’ve still been in her palm. Hence, my fanwank. [/QUOTE] An ER probably would not have used the dissolving stitches in a hand because of the likelihood of them getting wet. For continuity sake, I am happy with the ER using suture glue or… her wound had already begun to heal by the time they arrived at the ER, to the point that stitches were no longer necessary. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/92 "2006-11-28T22:39:54Z")
I wonder what would happen if Haitian guy tried to wipe Jessica out of Niki’s mind? ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/93 "2006-11-28T22:53:55Z")
For all its flaws, Heroes is the best thing to hit the fluff part of tv in many years. Well plotted, well acted, interesting twists and on the whole, internally logic. I’ts the best Big Mac of tv right now and better than 99 % of what’s been on for the past decade. That said, there’s no way to compare it to BSG, The Wire or any of the more serious dramas on tv, I’m not complaining, sometimes I just want to be entertained (and Heroes does that superbly) and sometimes I want to be push into the grey zone where good drama happens. Heroes is not that, but I’m a sucker for good melodrama and Hiro is the best character to surface on any tv show this season, all genres. I can feel envy for future viewers, if this keeps going at the level it is. Imagine finding out about the show, three years from now and having a marathon, seeing all episodes in a few days on dvd and not having to wait… ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/94 "2006-11-28T23:03:03Z")
I wish I could remember the conversation between Papa Suresh and Sylar, where Suresh says something about locating the human soul in the brain (as if it could be something physical). It seems that Sylar is able to “see” into someone’s brain and figure out whether they have powers or not, but in order to actually obtain these powers he needs to physically reach in and… eat that specific part? Or absorb it? Stick it in his ears? Is Niki simply insane? I still think somehow her sister is living inside of her. I don’t think anything was actually proven either way. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/95 "2006-11-29T00:02:01Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] I wish I could remember the conversation between Papa Suresh and Sylar, where Suresh says something about locating the human soul in the brain (as if it could be something physical). It seems that Sylar is able to “see” into someone’s brain and figure out whether they have powers or not, but in order to actually obtain these powers he needs to physically reach in and… eat that specific part? Or absorb it? Stick it in his ears? [/QUOTE] I think whereas Peter can copy your powers using his super-empathy, Sylar needs to physically have a really close look at what makes you tick, as it were. The human brain to Sylar, is like a watch and if you open it up and poke around, you can figure out how it works and then do it yourself. Who knows, maybe when he’s using his power he can see things on a molecular level, but he literally has to pick your brains in order to see what he needs to see. The scene with Papa Suresh in the watch shop seems to support this. He picks things apart and examines them closely. I doubt he has to eat them. Question for everybody. How did Haitian Guy find Eden that first time? He happened to be out for a walk that night, on that street? Doubtful. He must have been following her or in some other way tracking her. I wanna know more about that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/96 "2006-11-29T00:04:36Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] It seems that Sylar is able to “see” into someone’s brain and figure out whether they have powers or not, but in order to actually obtain these powers he needs to physically reach in and… eat that specific part? Or absorb it? Stick it in his ears? [/QUOTE] I’d like to believe that he’s just opening the heads up to make sure he gets all the details right, much like he’s opening up a watch. He can tell that something’s “broken”, but can’t get all the details until he pops the hood. However, it’s always appeared that the brains were scooped out, so maybe he _does_ eat it. Or maybe he just likes to keep a collection after he studies 'em. My theory is that he’s actually supposed to be a “healer”- he can look at people, see what’s wrong with them, and fix them. However, he’s nuts- so he kills them, and uses his ability to manipulate human insides to give himself the power he sees in someone else. He can’t give himself the power until he pops them open and studies them. [QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Is Niki simply insane? I still think somehow her sister is living inside of her. I don’t think anything was actually proven either way. [/QUOTE] When we first saw her sitting at the headstone, I was hoping that her sister had been stillborn when Niki was born, that Niki had somehow “absorbed” her. No such luck. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/97 "2006-11-29T00:35:03Z")
I had the impression that Sylar can tell how superpowers work simply by sense. He was able to tell exactly what was wrong with Suresh’s watch before he even opened it. He just opened it to fix it, not to see what the problem was. Given that his victims are missing their brains, I feel like there is some kind of physical contact involved in the process by which he takes their powers. The answer to how Haitian dude found Eden is probably linked with the mystery of Mr Bennett’s job. It seems like his work involved tracing supers even before he became obssessed with locating Sylar in order to protect Claire. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/98 "2006-11-29T02:21:12Z")
Regarding the Hiro plot line… I don’t think his trip to the past changed anything, other than getting his face in the birthday photo. It must be the same timeline, because when Hiro and Ando first walked in, the waitress could read and speak Japanese. Didn’t she say someone gave her a phrasebook a few months back? It had to be Hiro, so she had to recognize him. Why she didn’t say anything, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/99 "2006-11-29T02:42:38Z")
It’s one timeline, and the other staff at the restaurant weren’t expecting Hiro back so didn’t recognize him. We never really found out how long he spent in the past – it could have been a week. I figure Charlie kept her mouth shut because she realized if Hiro was back and didn’t know her, that meant his talk about time-travel was real and she was about to die. She just didn’t know _how_ she was going to die. When they played the blast over NYC, I saw an image I hadn’t noticed before. Looming over the clouds was a giant “light silhouette” of a man wearing a cowboy hat. Anyone else spot that? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2006, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988/100 "2006-11-29T03:01:15Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] Regarding the Hiro plot line… I don’t think his trip to the past changed anything, other than getting his face in the birthday photo. It must be the same timeline, because when Hiro and Ando first walked in, the waitress could read and speak Japanese. Didn’t she say someone gave her a phrasebook a few months back? It had to be Hiro, so she had to recognize him. Why she didn’t say anything, I don’t know. [/QUOTE] In the original timeline, _someone_ gave her the phrasebook. In the altered timeline, that someone was displaced by Hiro. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-11-27-six-months-ago-spoilers/381988.md?page=6)