# Heroes 12/4: "Fallout" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882 "2006-12-04T23:17:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/21 "2006-12-05T02:30:52Z")
It’s an If-then statement! Linda Hamilton the Nikki! This is a totally sweet episode. Hiro gets confused about the cheerleader, and then Issac will tell him. We learn the Haitian is mute. So he mutes other things. No Nissan Versa yet, though. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/22 "2006-12-05T02:33:58Z")
Wow. So did not see that angle Claire is playing out with Peterelli right now. Very Well done ‘half truth’ piece. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/23 "2006-12-05T02:47:49Z")
Well that would be the one word to get. Wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/24 "2006-12-05T02:49:57Z")
White subtitles do not show up against white shirts! bah. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/25 "2006-12-05T02:53:04Z")
New Sylar 7.0, with added Hanibal-power! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/26 "2006-12-05T02:54:16Z")
“Yes you can, CONSTIPATE!” :::squeeze::: ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/27 "2006-12-05T02:55:43Z")
“And your mother, so many times.” Well that explains her having absolutely nothing but fluff. And so goes the Mute theory. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/28 "2006-12-05T03:07:46Z")
For all those in last weeks thread, Charlie was killed by Sylar, got it? No aneurism. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/29 "2006-12-05T03:08:22Z")
Best line of the night: “I gotta find that sword.” (something like that) Another A++ episode. This show is just blowing me away. The only dark spot is Niki/Jessica, who they spent far too long on, but aside from that it was great. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/30 "2006-12-05T03:09:24Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] Best line of the night: “I gotta find that sword.” (something like that) Another A++ episode. This show is just blowing me away. The only dark spot is Niki/Jessica, who they spent far too long on, but aside from that it was great. [/QUOTE] Oh no! What if I step on a bug? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/31 "2006-12-05T03:10:48Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] Best line of the night: “I gotta find that sword.” (something like that) Another A++ episode. This show is just blowing me away. The only dark spot is Niki/Jessica, who they spent far too long on, but aside from that it was great. [/QUOTE] One Blemish: Why tell us that a hero will die, if we don’t know who?! And I’m still trying to work on the “suprise” ending. Apparently I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/32 "2006-12-05T03:12:30Z")
So it was Eden! Mixed feelings about that. I would rather it have been Niki. Mohinder is going to be heartbroken. But she blew her own brains out before Sylar could take her powers, right? That’s how I interpreted that scene. Good for her. Claire knows about her dad now. Man, that guy is scary. Wonder what the Haitian’s agenda is? It can’t be Peter. IT CAN’T BE! NOOOOOOOO! I loved Hiro’s reaction upon seeing the painting. So cute! ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/33 "2006-12-05T03:13:17Z")
So now Peter is having flashes of the future? Why? Is his power fuzzier then just mimicing other heros’ power? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/34 "2006-12-05T03:13:28Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] One Blemish: Why tell us that a hero will die, if we don’t know who?! [/QUOTE] Spoilers if anyone hasn’t watched it yet… Eden’s brains splattering all over the holding cell didn’t tip you off? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/35 "2006-12-05T03:14:42Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] So it was Eden! Mixed feelings about that. I would rather it have been Niki. Mohinder is going to be heartbroken. But she blew her own brains out before Sylar could take her powers, right? That’s how I interpreted that scene. Good for her. [/QUOTE] I thought the gun / tranq gun was still “loaded” with the one round (the green vial) at the end of the scene? ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/36 "2006-12-05T03:15:17Z")
[QUOTE=Achren] So now Peter is having flashes of the future? Why? Is his power fuzzier then just mimicing other heros’ power? [/QUOTE] He seems to have odd dreams - that one time he dreamed about his brother’s accident before he knew about it. Maybe he’s a dreamwalker or something. Oops, wrong universe. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/37 "2006-12-05T03:15:20Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] Micahs Dad So his arm can be BOTH tangible and intangible? …How can you phase into the door, and then still “touch” the lock? [/quote] Ny making your arm intangible to pass through the door and then resolidifying your hand on the other side while keeping your upper arm phased. The better question is why not just walk through the door and unlock it from the other side? > [@Meeko](#): > > Mind-reading Cop, and Petrelli > > And yet, the cop could get it to work long enough to get the “truth” out They could still hear each other, just with the echo/feedback. So assuming the Haitian didn’t wipe Zach back years, if Claire hadn’t spoken to him since sixth grade why would she have called him in the first place? Is Eden the “hero” who was “lost”? I guess so, which is _kind_ of a rip since she wasn’t exactly a “hero.” But, she died as she lived, irritatingly. > [@OnlyMostlyDead](#): > > Damn, so excited that ProbablyNotEvilDad might be showing some of the same super mojo as the Haitian. But, alas, the Hatian was just lurking in the area. I want ProbablyNotEvilDad to be more than just a ringleader. I’m pulling for him not having any powers. I want there to be some significant non-powered people on the show. I’m a bit confused about Peter. Does he have a permanent precognitive ability of his own that manifests in dreams? He duplicates Isaac and SanjogIyerSanjog if he does and I feel kind of cheated. That would also make him the first person to have two distinct superpowers (assuming that the Haitian’s “jamming,” if it’s the Haitian who’s doing the jamming and not AED, is a sub-power of his overall ability to affect the brain). The show returns January 22, which is a Monday, so _suck it_ John Mace’s TV Guide! ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/38 "2006-12-05T03:17:01Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I thought the gun / tranq gun was still “loaded” with the one round (the green vial) at the end of the scene? [/QUOTE] Buh? What do you mean? It was a real gun - she meant for Sylar to blow his own brains out, but things got out of control so she blew hers out before he could take it/eat it/whatever he does with it. When did they show a green vial? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/39 "2006-12-05T03:17:11Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] Eden’s brains splattering all over the holding cell didn’t tip you off? :eek: [/QUOTE] Do we know it’s Eden, and not Sylar? ((I mean, if the Haitian is moving up in the storyline…)) And further, since when is Eden worthwhile to the plot, at all? ((Yes, we all know shes expendable. EXPENDABLE… i.e. no surprise if she goes. )) ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/40 "2006-12-05T03:17:32Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I thought the gun / tranq gun was still “loaded” with the one round (the green vial) at the end of the scene? [/QUOTE] Why would you say it’s a tranq gun? It was a gun. Eden wanted to Sylar to blow his brains out. It didn’t work out. Eden is dead. Lets not go through the same thing we did with Charlie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=3)