# Heroes 12/4: "Fallout" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882 "2006-12-04T23:17:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/41 "2006-12-05T03:19:34Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Buh? What do you mean? It was a real gun - she meant for Sylar to blow his own brains out, but things got out of control so she blew hers out before he could take it/eat it/whatever he does with it. When did they show a green vial? [/QUOTE] I am sick and tired of this all being conjecture. Either your 100% right or you can’t call me out. We don’t know what we were promised to be told. Thats why I remain pissed at the show. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/42 "2006-12-05T03:20:31Z")
Oh, and what was the deal with Peter’s repeated coughing fits? If he was sick before encountering Claire at the high school he should have healed from the illness (assuming her power extends to illness and not just injury) and if he got sick in jail then, again, when Claire visited he should’ve taken on her powers and healed. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/43 "2006-12-05T03:20:41Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] Do we know it’s Eden, and not Sylar? ((I mean, if the Haitian is moving up in the storyline…)) And further, since when is Eden worthwhile to the plot, at all? ((Yes, we all know shes expendable. EXPENDABLE… i.e. no surprise if she goes. )) [/QUOTE] I think it was clearly Eden. Sylar mentioned taking her power, then got an “oh no don’t do it” look on his face when she brought the gun to her head. And she became very worthwhile in the last few episodes when we discovered her extremely powerful ability. The question is, why didn’t it work on Sylar? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/44 "2006-12-05T03:21:37Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I am sick and tired of this all being conjecture. Either your 100% right or you can’t call me out. We don’t know what we were promised to be told. Thats why I remain pissed at the show. [/QUOTE] It’s not conjecture. It was very clear. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/45 "2006-12-05T03:21:38Z")
Guns have no effect on Sylar, as we have already seen and as he so kindly pointed out to Eden. [QUOTE=Otto] Is Eden the “hero” who was “lost”? I guess so, which is _kind_ of a rip since she wasn’t exactly a “hero.” But, she died as she lived, irritatingly. [/quote] What was irritating about her death? That she accidentally let Sylar free? How did he get free anyway? Was he able to use his powers all along and simply pretending not to? > [@](#): > > That would also make him the first person to have two distinct superpowers (assuming that the Haitian’s “jamming,” if it’s the Haitian who’s doing the jamming and not AED, is a sub-power of his overall ability to affect the brain). I think it’s pretty clear at this point that it’s the Haitian who’s doing the blocking. Why would he be following them around everywhere if AED could do it on his own? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/46 "2006-12-05T03:21:58Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] We don’t know what we were promised to be told. Thats why I remain pissed at the show. [/QUOTE] Then stop watching and especially stop posting fragmentary comments in the middle of the show with no context. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/47 "2006-12-05T03:22:27Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] {By} making your arm intangible to pass through the door and then resolidifying your hand on the other side while keeping your upper arm phased. The better question is why not just walk through the door and unlock it from the other side? [/QUOTE] So far, the only thing that Micahs dad has phased, has been his arm right? Perhaps the power is limited to his arms for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/48 "2006-12-05T03:24:07Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] So far, the only thing that Micahs dad has phased, has been his arm right? Perhaps the power is limited to his arms for some reason. [/QUOTE] The first time we saw him he came through the wall. All of him. He also supposedly walked out of jail. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/49 "2006-12-05T03:25:41Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I think it’s pretty clear at this point that it’s the Haitian who’s doing the blocking. Why would he be following them around everywhere if AED could do it on his own? Misdirection? [QUOTE=Meeko] So far, the only thing that Micahs dad has phased, has been his arm right? Perhaps the power is limited to his arms for some reason. [/QUOTE] Jessica’s second shot went through his phased head. He also escaped from jail, which indicates he can phase his entire body. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/50 "2006-12-05T03:26:09Z")
We also saw a bullet phase through Ghostdad’s head. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/51 "2006-12-05T03:26:15Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I am sick and tired of this all being conjecture. Either your 100% right or you can’t call me out. [/quote] I have no idea what you are talking about. What, exactly, do you see as conjecture? I asked you about the details you described because I don’t remember seeing them and would honestly like to know about details I’ve missed (it’s a fast-paced show, and I’m not the best observer.) I, for one, am sure that it was Eden who died by that gunshot. She pointed it at Sylar first, he reminded her that bullets have no effect on him. Then she pointed at herself. Gunshot sound, bloodsplatter. Seems pretty clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/52 "2006-12-05T03:28:07Z")
I am not spoilering stuff … if you haven’t watched the show yet, back out of the thread. At first I thought that was Godzilla in the picture. After another look I decided it looked like a Carnataurus. But why would Hiro need to go that far into the past? Okay, so the Haitian isn’t a mute. Now we know why Claire’s momma is such an airhead. It’s too bad he couldn’t leave some of Zach’s memory intact so he could remember being friends with Claire since he’s her best friend. The good news now is we won’t have threads hijacked with discussions of Eden’s ears. Yay! I don’t understand why she’d give the dangerous guy a gun to off himself, how about some pills? A rope? A big bucket of water? A plastic bag? At least she wasn’t stupid enough to let him get her powers. Issac looks good all cleaned up. Now if we could just get Peter a hair cut. Speaking of Peter, is the actor playing Rocky’s son in the latest Rocky movie, Rocky 13:Rocky vs Medicare? It looks like him in the trailers except for the decent haircut. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/53 "2006-12-05T03:29:34Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Guns have no effect on Sylar, as we have already seen and as he so kindly pointed out to Eden. What was irritating about her death? That she accidentally let Sylar free? How did he get free anyway? Was he able to use his powers all along and simply pretending not to? I think it’s pretty clear at this point that it’s the Haitian who’s doing the blocking. Why would he be following them around everywhere if AED could do it on his own? [/QUOTE] Not all the time. The Haitian can’t be everywhere 24/7 so my assumption is that there are mechanisms in the cell that somehow dampen Syler’s powers (and all mutant powers) . When she turned off the dampening field so she could use her power, he used his. Pretty stupid of her if that’s the way it went down. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/54 "2006-12-05T03:30:31Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Misdirection? [/QUOTE] If it is, they better have a bloody good reason for the Haitian to be dogging AED’s footsteps. I hate misdirection for the sake of misdirection. We know that the Haitian can wipe memories and block the use of powers. He’s exhibited both in situations when he’s nowhere near AED. Which of those powers are people thinking might be attributed to AED? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/55 "2006-12-05T03:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] I am not spoilering stuff … if you haven’t watched the show yet, back out of the thread. At first I thought that was Godzilla in the picture. After another look I decided it looked like a Carnataurus. But why would Hiro need to go that far into the past? Okay, so the Haitian isn’t a mute. Now we know why Claire’s momma is such an airhead. It’s too bad he couldn’t leave some of Zach’s memory intact so he could remember being friends with Claire since he’s her best friend. The good news now is we won’t have threads hijacked with discussions of Eden’s ears. Yay! I don’t understand why she’d give the dangerous guy a gun to off himself, how about some pills? A rope? A big bucket of water? A plastic bag? At least she wasn’t stupid enough to let him get her powers. Issac looks good all cleaned up. Now if we could just get Peter a hair cut. Speaking of Peter, is the actor playing Rocky’s son in the latest Rocky movie, Rocky 13:Rocky vs Medicare? It looks like him in the trailers except for the decent haircut. [/QUOTE] Yes thats him in Rocky Balboa. I hear they are going to have an open casket at Eden’s wake. They couldn’t fit her ears in the coffin. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/56 "2006-12-05T03:31:09Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Speaking of Peter, is the actor playing Rocky’s son in the latest Rocky movie, Rocky 13:Rocky vs Medicare? It looks like him in the trailers except for the decent haircut. [/QUOTE] [It is](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0893257/) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/57 "2006-12-05T03:32:28Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] I have no idea what you are talking about. What, exactly, do you see as conjecture? [/QUOTE] I think it’s when people make statements like “Perhaps the power is limited to his arms for some reason.” ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/58 "2006-12-05T03:33:16Z")
[QUOTE=astro] Not all the time. The Haitian can’t be everywhere 24/7 so my assumption is that there are mechanisms in the cell that somehow dampen Syler’s powers (and all mutant powers) . When she turned off the dampening field so she could use her power, he used his. Pretty stupid of her if that’s the way it went down. [/QUOTE] :smack: I am stupid. Of course she would have to disable whatever it was that was keeping Sylar from using his own powers, if she wanted to use her own. Hm. I suppose she thought her voice would be able to get him under control before he had time to use his own powers. Why didn’t she just go with the Haitian and use him to subdue him first? :dubious: Although perhaps they wanted to work quickly before AED caught on. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/59 "2006-12-05T03:34:30Z")
Re The Dinosaur Since it seemed to be breathing fire, I’m guessing it turns out to be part of a display at a comicbook convention. The last con I was at had a ten foot tall (and equally wide) robot with glowing red eyes. A twenty foot tall firebreathing dinosaur would be a safety hazard, but would not be out of place. The sword could be merchandise from another vendor. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/60 "2006-12-05T03:36:52Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Why didn’t she just go with the Haitian and use him to subdue him first? :dubious: Although perhaps they wanted to work quickly before AED caught on. [/QUOTE] Eden’s earlier dialogue makes it sound like she thought the Haitian would follow orders despite his own misgivings, and not help her kill Sylar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=4)