# Heroes 12/4: "Fallout" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882 "2006-12-04T23:17:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/121 "2006-12-05T17:16:27Z")
[QUOTE=Cuckoorex] For the record, the dinosaur depicted in the painting is, in fact, a Carnotaurus. If this show actually has a scene with Hiro swordfighting with a Carnotaurus, I will declare it the best show in the history of television. [/QUOTE] That did make me laugh. Out loud even! ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/122 "2006-12-05T17:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=kurilla] (4) Peter apparently has two separate powers – spotty precognition (i.e., dreams and visions) and power mimicry. Aside from Sylar, is he the only one with two powers? [/QUOTE] Hiro can bend space AND time. If you follow the interactive novels on the [nbc.com](http://nbc.com) website. I think this weeks is the best one to date. Plus give some information that would solve some questions I’m seeing in this thread including Eden is dead, AED goes to her father’s and tells him. Plus I think a major spoiler so stop reading now if you don’t want a little more… … … AED and Mindblower walk in on Sylar killing Eden and subdue him ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/123 "2006-12-05T17:38:48Z")
[QUOTE=FlightlessBird] Hiro can bend space AND time. If you follow the interactive novels on the [nbc.com](http://nbc.com) website. I think this weeks is the best one to date. Plus give some information that would solve some questions I’m seeing in this thread including… [/QUOTE] As well as… It appears that Haitian guy may be able to be more selective in his mind wipe if he is able to “leave the guilt” as AED requests. Also, has anyone found any “hidden surprises” in any of the interactive novels besides the stories themselves? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/124 "2006-12-05T17:47:54Z")
[QUOTE=JXJohns] Also, has anyone found any “hidden surprises” in any of the interactive novels besides the stories themselves? [/QUOTE] In this weeks, I clicked on the first page (cause for some reason I was in ‘PDF’ mode and was trying to “grab” the page to move it down,) and in doing so, it linked to a picture that Isaac painted of the burning man. Makes me wonder if any other comics have hidden things… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/125 "2006-12-05T18:07:13Z")
[QUOTE=bouv] Theory about the nuke explosion: Who ever explodes (Peter, Sylar, or actual Nuke guy (forgot his name already,)) I’m guessing that Nathan will save the day, and it will pretty much be his one act as a hero. He will notice who ever it is about to go thermo-nuclear, and then grab them and fly as fast as he fucking can straight up. You heard it here first. [/QUOTE] And as he does, he will say “suuuuuu-peeeeeer-maaaaaaaan”. Btw, Hiro referencing _A Sound of Thunder_ was perfect and hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![kurilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kurilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kurilla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/126 "2006-12-05T18:09:34Z")
[QUOTE=FlightlessBird] Hiro can bend space AND time. [/QUOTE] Which are part of the same continuum, right? (Not a physics major, not by a long shot.) If so, then I wouldn’t consider that separate powers. Yes, I’m being nitpicky. It’s my job. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/127 "2006-12-05T18:21:17Z")
Well in terms of powers he seems to be able to stop time, and travel through time. In evidence, he is having difficulty traveling through time, but not so much trouble stopping time. Being a nit, it’s my job 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kurilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea5d25/32.png) [@kurilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kurilla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/128 "2006-12-05T18:24:40Z")
[QUOTE=FlightlessBird] Well in terms of powers he seems to be able to stop time, and travel through time. In evidence, he is having difficulty traveling through time, but not so much trouble stopping time. Being a nit, it’s my job 😉 [/QUOTE] Mmm… I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree here. I see both stopping time and manipulating (traveling through) time as aspects of one broader power. That may be overly general, though, and if so, then I’ll change my statement. (I may be a nitpicker, but I’m not completely stubborn. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/129 "2006-12-05T18:25:14Z")
[QUOTE=kurilla] Which are part of the same continuum, right? [/QUOTE] Space and time are both part of the (ahem) space-time continuum, but their properties are not identical. If one could bend space, it doesn’t necessarily follow that one could bend time, or _vice versa_. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/130 "2006-12-05T18:32:18Z")
[QUOTE=MaxTheVool] Btw, Hiro referencing _A Sound of Thunder_ was perfect and hilarious. [/QUOTE] It was indeed. Although I couldn’t help but think “Why are you worrying? You already said that you couldn’t change the past.” ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/131 "2006-12-05T18:33:50Z")
[QUOTE=JXJohns] Also, has anyone found any “hidden surprises” in any of the interactive novels besides the stories themselves? [/QUOTE] Yes, in some, but not in all. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/132 "2006-12-05T18:47:13Z")
[QUOTE=Rhiannon8404] Yes, in some, but not in all. [/QUOTE] Can you tell me how to find them? I’ve been reading the novels, and never saw any hidden things. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/133 "2006-12-05T19:37:14Z")
Ah, but did you see how he greeted Mystery Sock? \// ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/134 "2006-12-05T19:43:56Z")
To clear things up: Eden shot herself because her botched assasination attempt on Sylar left her vulnerable to Sylar to steal her power. (Pretty damn cool scene, too). AED still remains ambiguously evil: mindwiping your family isn’t the act of love one finds of a good guy. The Haitian is thought to be mute because Eden says he can’t talk, but he actually can. Hiro is fighting a Carnotaurus with a katanna (other than a lightsabre, my preferred sword of choice). Here’s what I think (yes, conjecture) how this happens: Hiro goes back in time to save someone. This time he causes a rift that he mentions to Peter in the subway. This sends Hiro to the past where he has to fight a dinosaur. He then might step on a bug which causes donuts not exist anymore (but in a cruel twist of irony, rain now becomes donuts). ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/135 "2006-12-05T19:45:16Z")
[QUOTE=FlightlessBird] Can you tell me how to find them? I’ve been reading the novels, and never saw any hidden things. [/QUOTE] If you click on the pages of the comic itself (not the Nissan ad), and provided there is actually a hidden picture, it will pop up. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/136 "2006-12-05T19:59:16Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] I had been wondering something about Sylar’s cell–they may have made it immune to _outgoing_ telekinetic force. He broke the window by grabbing Eden and yanking her into the glass hard enough to break it, which they might not have expected him to be able to do. [/QUOTE] My understanding was that Eden (foolishly) disabled whatever force field security system was retaining his powers when she typed on that keypad. Once Syler felt her giving him her power of suggestion, he knew he could use his powers again. Kinda sneaky of them IMO, as I was led to believe that Eden made Syler sleep in the previous episode, when I now see that it was the Haitian guy blocking Syler’s power to block her power. > [@Otto](#): > > When he wiped Brody McRapist (under instruction to “hollow him out”) he seemed to clear just Brody’s memories of Claire. Brody still knew how to speak English for example and seemed to be able to function in a school setting. It’s still up in the air for me whether he can wipe specific memories or not. And Zach of course knew how to get to the football field, and knew that Claire might be setting him up as some sort of “cheerleader initiation.” ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/137 "2006-12-05T20:03:08Z")
[QUOTE=Achren] So now Peter is having flashes of the future? Why? Is his power fuzzier then just mimicing other heros’ power? [/QUOTE] Perhaps his mimicry is semi-permanent :eek: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/138 "2006-12-05T20:16:09Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Ah, but did you see how he greeted Mystery Sock? \// [/QUOTE] Yeah, that was great. My first thought though was "Why did Isaac have to take Greyhound? Wasn’t he just like 10-15 minutes away? ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/139 "2006-12-05T20:28:12Z")
[QUOTE=Zakalwe] Yeah, that was great. My first thought though was "Why did Isaac have to take Greyhound? Wasn’t he just like 10-15 minutes away? [/QUOTE] Midland and Odessa are about 25 miles apart. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882/140 "2006-12-05T20:35:34Z")
[QUOTE=Dooku] My understanding was that Eden (foolishly) disabled whatever force field security system was retaining his powers when she typed on that keypad. Once Syler felt her giving him her power of suggestion, he knew he could use his powers again. [/quote] I’m not sure where anyone’s getting the idea that Sylar’s powers were dampened by anything while he was in the cell away from the Haitian. No one said anything to that effect that I can recall. > [@Dooku](#): > > Kinda sneaky of them IMO, as I was led to believe that Eden made Syler sleep in the previous episode, when I now see that it was the Haitian guy blocking Syler’s power to block her power. The sequence was that Sylar met her in the woods and started to attack but she got the drop on him with her Bene Gesserit witchery (“You don’t want to hurt me”). She was able to delay him long enough to let the Haitian get the drop on him, or I suppose it’s possible (since according to the online comic she can make peoples’ hearts stop by telling them to die, which, whatever) that her power and the Haitian’s were working in conjunction. My theory is that her power was diffused by speaking throuh the intercom, which allowed Syler to resist long enough to pull her in. Once he had his hand on her throat she couldn’t speak. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-12-4-fallout/382882.md?page=8)