# Heroes 2/19 - "Unexpected" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 19, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872 "2007-02-19T21:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/1 "2007-02-19T21:32:31Z")
Last week: (La Femme) Niki (ta) didn’t suck, Matt didn’t die and Hiro didn’t matter. This week: Let’s watch! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/2 "2007-02-20T02:48:37Z")
Nissan Versa! You’re all right! ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/3 "2007-02-20T02:52:06Z")
Doesn’t Claire know it’s no good crying over spilt milk? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/4 "2007-02-20T02:57:53Z")
Was the bus driver Stan Lee? ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/5 "2007-02-20T03:02:05Z")
Yep. It was Stan the Man. I was just about to post that info. ---
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/6 "2007-02-20T03:02:14Z")
[QUOTE=Epimetheus] Was the bus driver Stan Lee? [/QUOTE] Yes, the bus driver was Stan Lee. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/7 "2007-02-20T03:16:07Z")
Did anybody else catch the license plate on Stan Lee’s bus? Me neither. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/8 "2007-02-20T03:16:27Z")
I was surprised that Peter started to be able to control his powers so suddenly. From whom did he steal the voice thing that we heard when he was attacking Prognosti-Painter? So far he’s done flying, telekinesis, healing, invisibility, prediction, and… ---
**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/9 "2007-02-20T03:28:28Z")
I thought it was funny that it was Stan Lee that Hiro runs into after dumping Ando as his sidekick because a little known fact about Stan Lee is that he hates super-hero sidekicks. He’s on record about this and has shown it in some of the comics he’s written. The very first thing that Lee ever wrote for Marvel (then Timely) back in the 1940s was a prose piece in a Captain America comic where Captain America picks up his sidekick Bucky by the ankles and swings him into a bunch of Nazis. Effective, but not very respectful of his young ally. Then, in the 1960s when he brought back Captain America he did a retcon where Bucky had died in a bomb explosion at the end of WWII. So Lee ressurected Cap back but didn’t have to worry about his annoying sidekick anymore. Mind you, I’m not saying that we should assume that Ando is gone permanently just because Stan Lee showed up, just that it’s funny that Lee showed up when he did. Afterall, Lee is a notorious cameo whore, not that I blame him. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/10 "2007-02-20T03:31:49Z")
No Nikki. Hooray! That alone made it an excellent episode. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/11 "2007-02-20T03:31:57Z")
Things just got interesting again, I think. Alas, the Nissan Versa is now offscreen for a while… ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/12 "2007-02-20T03:36:41Z")
> [@Captain Carrot](#): > > From whom did he steal the voice thing that we heard when he was attacking Prognosti-Painter? So far he’s done flying, telekinesis, healing, invisibility, prediction, and… Since Sylar exhibited that vocal effect and considering that Peter was never near enough to Eden for him to absorb her power, this establishes that the vocal effect is somehow associated with Sylar and Peter got it along with the TK. There was talk a week or two ago about Sylar’s vocal effect indicating that he stole Eden’s Voice; this puts that to rest IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/13 "2007-02-20T03:40:14Z")
Peter’s powers: Whoo-hoo! The voice: something from Sylar I guess. I don’t think Peter ever met Eden. Claire telling on her dad: epochal. the Someone who Died: kick. in. the. gut. While I’m relieved thatour boys didn’t kill each other, & that Hope didn’t kill Ando, I really didn’t see that coming, & it’s a shame to see someone who was basically an innocent die like that. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/14 "2007-02-20T03:42:55Z")
I think the echoey voice thing Peter had was just part of the invisibility effect. As for Stan Lee and sidekicks, yes he killed Bucky but then immediately tries to drop Rick Jones, Marvel’s official professional sidekick, into Bucky’s shoes. You can never take what Lee says from day to day as the absolute truth of the matter; he’s the PT Barnum of comic books and that’s why we love him. I don’t think Ando’s story is over in this case. He was in the New York explosion dream. And metatextually Hiro needs a straight man to play off of. I fully expect Ando to show up for a dramatic rescue of Hiro in a few episodes. It seems like they’re tightening the focus a bit with this episode and that’s good. The cast is getting a bit too large for its own good and with only six to eight more episodes to come this season it’s time to start dovetailing these plot lines. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/15 "2007-02-20T04:02:24Z")
Mrs Parkman sure pregged up quick. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/16 "2007-02-20T04:02:39Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] Peter’s powers: Whoo-hoo! The voice: something from Sylar I guess. I don’t think Peter ever met Eden. Claire telling on her dad: epochal. the Someone who Died: kick. in. the. gut. While I’m relieved thatour boys didn’t kill each other, & that Hope didn’t kill Ando, I really didn’t see that coming, & it’s a shame to see someone who was basically an innocent die like that. [/QUOTE] Ahhh, but don’t forget…Peter can, as Cher likes to say, turn back time… ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/17 "2007-02-20T05:04:27Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Since Sylar exhibited that vocal effect and considering that Peter was never near enough to Eden for him to absorb her power, this establishes that the vocal effect is somehow associated with Sylar and Peter got it along with the TK. There was talk a week or two ago about Sylar’s vocal effect indicating that he stole Eden’s Voice; this puts that to rest IMHO. [/QUOTE] But wasn’t Peter’s contact with Sylar \*prior to \* Sylar’s contact with Eden? I might be forgetting some other incident, but at the homecoming game Peter and Sylar battle, then Sylar takes off and is captured by Eden and the Haitian. I don’t remember Peter and Sylar coming in contact since then. ---
**Author:** ![jacob\_wrestling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/76d3ee/32.png) [@jacob\_wrestling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacob_wrestling)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/18 "2007-02-20T05:05:19Z")
I wonder how long Sylar thinks he’ll be able to follow Mohindar around and slice open people’s brains. Even Mohindar, as stubbornly clueless as he seems to be, will eventually figure out that _my creepy sidekick_ + _people on my list_ = _gruesome murder_. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/19 "2007-02-20T05:10:24Z")
Oh, yeah, that’s the other thing. Sylar got greedy. He could have just noted where they’d met these people, then come back for them later. ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872/20 "2007-02-20T06:13:10Z")
Dammit, I liked super hearing gal. Reminded me of my first riding instructor–tough, no-nonsense broad. Someone stop Sylar already, will yuh? I don’t want to watch episode after episode of meeting neat new people with cool powers, then watching them get butchered. I’m reeeeally getting tired of all of this foreplay. I want some action finally, dammit! (And I’m a woman saying this.) In one of the earlier episodes, Hiro discovers the date of the Big Kerboom…something like November 14. That’s when he realizes he’d way overshot his hop into the future. He hops back, and I’m thinking…okay, the Big Kerboom will be in about a month or so, during sweeps. Makes sense. It’s February now and I’m getting impatient. Meanwhile–is this supposed to be the Longest Month Ever for the heroes, or has there already been an interruption in the original timeline? Didn’t surprise me who died. I figure it’d be someone more peripheral. And yes, I agree…Peter suddenly became verrrrrrrry good at mastering his powers. He’s a quick study, once he gets over the slow learner part. :rolleyes: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-2-19-unexpected-spoilers/392872.md?page=2)