# Heroes 3.15 "Trust and Blood" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155 "2009-02-10T01:28:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/41 "2009-02-11T03:42:50Z")
This is one of the dumbest shows I’ve ever seen (see: Claire, Peter, Mohinder, Nathan, Hiro, and just pretty much everybody at one point or another), but at least it’s dumb and entertaining this season. I like the _Night of the Sentinels_ storyline from X-Men, and if they can do it some kind of justice, I’ll be very pleased. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/42 "2009-02-11T06:10:39Z")
So, was it just me, or did anyone else get a Darth Sylar and his apprentice vibe? 😃 “There’s always two - the master and his apprentice.” ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/43 "2009-02-11T08:36:10Z")
It actually struck me as almost uncomfortably close to that X-Men scene where Magneto recruits Pyro. God-like mutant bad-ass sympathizes with and ends up taking on mal-adjusted teenager who has the power to burn things? Check. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/44 "2009-02-11T14:45:55Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I was a bit confused by a sequence on this episode. Ando realizes that Hiro can’t be dead because, according to Hiro, Ando kills him in the future. > > First- hasn’t it been clearly established that the future can always be changed? > > Second- Hiro saw himself being “killed” by Ando shooting red lightning at him. Red lightning. You know, like his new power-boosting ability. Why the continued assumption that Ando’s going to kill him? Ando didn’t go to the future. Hiro did. So while we all now know (and really, didn’t we always know) that Ando isn’t going to kill Hiro, Ando didn’t see what Hiro saw: that Hiro was being “killed” by red lightning. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/45 "2009-02-11T15:41:36Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Due to the press conference my recording stoped before it ended (when the captured Tracy was yelling at Nathan) > > Anything interesting in next weeks preview (spoil box if you want) > > thanks, > Brian [spoiler]Next week: Our gang finally notice how many security cams are on the streets of America;Tracey gets shackled inside a tanning booth, Sylar swipes a ninja uniform.No one apparently thinks of moving to Canada. Pretty much Sylar wearing a ninja uniform carrying someone away over his shoulder, Noah all "I can’t protect you if they don’t think I can control you’; Claire:“You can’t”; Peter looking tuff with the patented Heroes 5 o’clock the next day shadow.[/spoiler] Does Hiro still think that the future red zap was Evil Killer Ando-bot? Remember, part 2 of that scene was Ando lifting a paper from Hiro and running away.Even if he just gave him a power OD, he still swiped something from him. Not good. I watched again last night and while Tracey was calling Nathan, Peter was in the background burying something. Probably just the orange-eralls but I like to think he was hiding the bodies of his slain enemies. Mwwaaaa haaa haa!!! ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/46 "2009-02-11T15:43:45Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Ando didn’t go to the future. Hiro did. So while we all now know (and really, didn’t we always know) that Ando isn’t going to kill Hiro, Ando didn’t see what Hiro saw: that Hiro was being “killed” by red lightning. But as **Flightless Bird** pointed out, this situation wouldn’t have happened if Hiro had said anything more about what he saw that just, “You killed me in the future!” Heck, all it would’ve taken is for Hiro to say, when he first saw Ando use his powerboosting power, “Hey! That looks just like what you used to kill me in the future!” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/47 "2009-02-11T17:27:34Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > But as **Flightless Bird** pointed out, this situation wouldn’t have happened if Hiro had said anything more about what he saw that just, “You killed me in the future!” > > Heck, all it would’ve taken is for Hiro to say, when he first saw Ando use his powerboosting power, “Hey! That looks just like what you used to kill me in the future!” That’s assuming the Hiro could move beyond the “Dude, you _killed_ me.” shock, and pay attention to the color of the lightning that Ando killed him with. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/48 "2009-02-11T17:39:19Z")
Besides Claire, how in the world did EVERYBODY survive that crash with just a few cuts and bruises? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/49 "2009-02-11T19:15:40Z")
How long has it been in Heroes-time from when Nathan got shot to now? Let’s go with six months. In six months Nathan has gone from holding a press conference ready to announce to the world that some people have super powers to capturing them all in secret and taking them to an undisclosed location. On the flip side, six months ago Peter came back from the future to shoot Nathan (and really, you can time travel and that’s the only way you know of to change the past?) rather than let it go public and now, you know how Peter can get the government to stop chasing him? “Thank you all for coming to my press conference. Um…watch me shoot laser beams out of my eyes and stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![Arglefraster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@Arglefraster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arglefraster)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/50 "2009-02-11T20:43:47Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > That’s assuming the Hiro could move beyond the “Dude, you _killed_ me.” shock, and pay attention to the color of the lightning that Ando killed him with. I’m with you on this. I think Hiro was so horrified at (what he perceived to be) such a huge betrayal that he just didn’t process the details. I’m waiting for a :smack: moment from him when he finally remembers that he saw Ando shoot him with red lightning. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/51 "2009-02-11T20:57:02Z")
Do you guys think it’s possible that Ando’s power could also work in reverse, that is dampen powers? ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/52 "2009-02-11T21:43:41Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > What, why? thats the best thing thats happened to the show in three seasons. Overpowered superheroes are boring, Peter was practically a god before now instead of making him stupid so he doesn’t solve everything in 3 seconds flat he has to use powers smartly, thats a great change. Oh - and not only does his power switch depending on who he’s been near… what if he’s been near another superpowered person, that he does not know about. P: (attempts to fly away) (wha?) (accidentally sets the dog on fire) _SHIT_. All right, you guys, who’s been holding out on their fire-throwing abilities??? ---
**Author:** ![Lanzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/74df32/32.png) [@Lanzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lanzy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/53 "2009-02-11T21:45:23Z")
so Peter is now Ultra-Boy instead of superboy. got it. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/54 "2009-02-11T21:50:35Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Besides Claire, how in the world did EVERYBODY survive that crash with just a few cuts and bruises? Hmmm. Peter and Mohinder could have let go just before impact, shot out the hole in the plane and fell a few feet to the ground. The others were well secured in their seats, unless the seats broke loose they weren’t going anywhere. Mohinder could hulk-smash their shackles loose afterwards so they could escape. Now, Noah and the pilot in the front? Too badass to die, I suppose. > [@Enderw24](#): > > How long has it been in Heroes-time from when Nathan got shot to now? Let’s go with six months. > > In six months Nathan has gone from holding a press conference ready to announce to the world that some people have super powers to capturing them all in secret and taking them to an undisclosed location. A generous guess would mark the events of Heroes-land from S1 to plane crash to be about a year. If they want to have (speculative) Micah and Molly (and Lyle, really) as characters they’d better have a ‘12 /18 months later’ title card in front of an episode soon. They should have done that at the start of Volume 4. That scene at Niki’s wake where Micah hugs Tracey-he had to bend over so it wasn’t glaringly apparent he’s about Ali Lartner’s height now. Some mutant 10 year old! ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/55 "2009-02-11T21:53:51Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > P: (attempts to fly away) (wha?) (accidentally sets the dog on fire) _SHIT_. All right, you guys, who’s been holding out on their fire-throwing abilities??? “Meredith??” Peter tags Mohinder or Nathan for strength/flight; the rest of the gang?: “Don’t ANY of you TOUCH ME!!!”😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/56 "2009-02-12T00:56:39Z")
Arkansas, not Alabama (not that it matters). So, apparently this Black Ops operation can go anywhere in the world and kidnap foreign nationals. Maybe Hiro should get his ass to the nearest Japanese Embassy. I was really hoping that Matt’s drawing of Daphne getting shot would actually be useful – that he’d show up in time to prevent it happening. (They can’t pretend that there’s some law preventing that, since they already prevented New York from being destroyed by an exploding atomic dude.) Does Nathan have a computer program in his head that keeps looping? 1. Unfocused desire to do something good. 2. Allow self to be manipulated by others into doing something clearly wrong, allegedly for the sake of the greater good. 3. See error of one’s ways; angrily vow not to fall for that again. 4. Go to 1). ETA: It seems like the villains are the only ones who ever just relax and enjoy their powers. Man, if I could _fly_, my feet would hardly ever touch the ground. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/57 "2009-02-12T01:13:25Z")
Arrgh! Is Daphne dead or not?! I’ve been watching this season at someone else’s behest (I was promised that not seeing the earlier seasons wouldn’t prevent me from following it, and he’s right. I’m not sure it’s a _good_ thing, though), and she and Parkman are two of the only characters I really like ☹ > [@Windwalker](#): > > It actually struck me as almost uncomfortably close to that X-Men scene where Magneto recruits Pyro. God-like mutant bad-ass sympathizes with and ends up taking on mal-adjusted teenager who has the power to burn things? Check. Didn’t the action figure the kid melted look like Magneto from behind to anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/58 "2009-02-12T02:32:27Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Arrgh! Is Daphne dead or not?! I think we would have gotten a bigger dying in Matt’s arms bawlfest, so my vote is no. > [@](#): > > Didn’t the action figure the kid melted look like Magneto from behind to anyone else? I dunno, but that kid looks like Marc Antony from _Rome_, I kept thinking he’d go off and rape a shepherdess or something. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/59 "2009-02-12T13:08:21Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > Oh - and not only does his power switch depending on who he’s been near… what if he’s been near another superpowered person, that he does not know about. > > P: (attempts to fly away) (wha?) (accidentally sets the dog on fire) _SHIT_. All right, you guys, who’s been holding out on their fire-throwing abilities??? It looked like he actually had to touch the other meta. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155/60 "2009-02-12T14:40:21Z")
Oh I just can’t quit Heroes it seems. I lasted one whole week before cracking and crawling back to it. Thankfully I think the writing has tightened up a bit. Conversations seem to play out with a bit more room to breathe, the characters seemed a bit more like themselves and I even think the dialogue has got snappier. Yay! Sure, there was the odd cliche pile up “you’ll never get away with this!” etc etc but I think things have improved a bit? Still hating the whole Project Roundup idea that Nathan seems so keen on. Not even because it is eeevil but because the whole thing seems so half baked and poorly thought through. The most obvious developments arising from said plan have him looking utterly lost and confused. Highlights on this score this week included Nathan behaving like he’s never led any team ever, making amongst other things the rookie mistake of not working out who the team leader is (ie him) and then making that clear to all concerned. Consequently Hunter bloke making him look a total ineffectual loser in front of everyone including Bennet & Claire. For once, Claire’s roll-eyes were earned. Then he ran crying about it all to his mum. Jeez, I laugh but I remember when Nathan used to be _cool_, man. And no wonder Angela told him to piss off - not once in that epic call did he ask about how HER day went. Elsewhere, I refuse to get too hopeful about Daphne’s demise although it’s hard to see how she could have survived. This is the problem of not having chaarcter deaths take - its hard for them to have any impact. Then later on we think “oh I guess she really WAS dead. Huh.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-3-15-trust-and-blood/485155.md?page=2)