# Heroes 4-7 “Strange Attractors” (10/26/09)-spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 26, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180 "2009-10-26T14:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/1 "2009-10-26T14:35:40Z")
Last time: Noah and Peter went one of them/one of us’ing to find someone with a healing ability that Peter could swipe to go save Hiro. They found such a lad, Peter took his ability, but after hitchhiking back to Manhattan, he found Hiro had left the premises and/or this quadrant of time and space. Noah stayed behind to mentor the kid and help clean up the bodies (because sometimes, heroes need some rudimentary training so they don’t accidentally suck the life out of mom) Samuel takes it upon himself to help/lure into the carnycult an empty headed Sylar and by the end of the day Sylar’s had his memories restored, been an accomplice in a cop killing, did some landscaping, got into a knife flinging pissing match with Edgar, was baptized and rounded off the evening by getting into Lydia’ skirt. Edgar was displeased by all of the above; therefore, expect more knife fights. Expect Edgar to fare poorly in them. The carnies are courting Emma, too. What, you thought we’d just spend half a season watching her ooh and aah over the pretty lights before her inevitable horrible death? Yeah, me too. [From the show site:](http://www.nbc.com/heroes/nexton/episode_407.shtml) Matt goes to extreme measures to extinguish Sylar, who continues to torment him. Elsewhere, H.R.G. calls in a favor from Tracy to save a troubled young boy whose misfortunes resemble her own. While Claire and Gretchen are being hazed by their new sorority sisters, they realize pledging might not be their biggest problem. The preview alludes to something that does not please me: Sylar’s ‘evil side’ got sloshed back into Matt, so now there’s the potential that there’s some evil Sylar ghost thingy that turns the host -Gabriel for a few hundred kills, possibly Matt now- into an amoral psychotic. Which allows present Natgabler to wear stupid hats and hang around the carnival being a nice guy So much for taking responsibility for your actions. [Either a picture of a major character being brutally murdered, or a girl in a tight pink tshirt.](http://superheroprofiles.com/files/2009/10/NUP_136417_0453heroes407strangeattractors04.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/2 "2009-10-26T19:01:32Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > (because sometimes, heroes need some rudimentary training so they don’t accidentally suck the life out of mom) Oops. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/3 "2009-10-27T01:01:02Z")
Hey, someone took a crowbar to the FX budget; nice building collapse, guys! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/4 "2009-10-27T01:19:13Z")
So was anyone else completely shocked that Matt was easily tricked into making a really bad decision? And T-Bag is basically Magneto now. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/5 "2009-10-27T01:27:01Z")
There I was going “Yes! Head Sylar’s a figment of his imagination!” Then they went all ambiguous on us. OK, I can live with the ambiguous, as long as I can hope there isn’t Bad Sylar Ghost moving from Gabriel to Matt. I was equally peeved about the prospect of Gabriel the Lost Petrelli being true, but they redeemed themselves on that, thank god. That said, Yes! Mohinder’s not dead! Get back here and slap some sense into your bro, we need you! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/6 "2009-10-27T01:33:08Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > That said, Yes! Mohinder’s not dead! Get back here and slap some sense into your bro, we need you! Well, his voicemail’s not dead at least. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/7 "2009-10-27T04:17:12Z")
Bear with me on the recap folks, I don’t write usually write slash. (Imaginary stalker three way? I think Heroes just discovered the one thing not already on the internet) ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/8 "2009-10-27T05:07:14Z")
I’m rather disenchanted with the directions so far. The story seems better, but it is getting on my nerves watching the show for an hour and having essentially nothing happen. Its like 1 week (in their time) of the story takes the whole season (of our time) to tell. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/9 "2009-10-27T12:38:56Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > There I was going “Yes! Head Sylar’s a figment of his imagination!” Then they went all ambiguous on us. OK, I can live with the ambiguous, as long as I can hope there isn’t Bad Sylar Ghost moving from Gabriel to Matt. I was equally peeved about the prospect of Gabriel the Lost Petrelli being true, but they redeemed themselves on that, thank god. > > That said, Yes! Mohinder’s not dead! Get back here and slap some sense into your bro, we need you! I don’t think it’s so much Evil Sylar Ghost, as the Evil Sylar Template running around (and now running the show) in Matt’s head. I’m not too surprised he out smarted Matt, though. That’d be like being surprised that a kitten will chase a laser pointer for hours. The question is: Is the Sylar template as thick as Matt? We’ll see whether he spends his next episode still on the LAPD and scaring Janice, or heading to Washington, the last place he left “his” body. [QUOTE=enalzi] So was anyone else completely shocked that Matt was easily tricked into making a really bad decision? And T-Bag is basically Magneto now. [/QUOTE] T-bag=Samuel? I didn’t see whatever show he was on before. They had established that Samuel could destroy buildings by opening sinkholes under them. It’s not that far fetched to think he could destroy a building made of brick. ---
**Author:** ![Tupug\_Anachi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@Tupug\_Anachi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tupug_Anachi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/10 "2009-10-27T13:02:10Z")
Arrrrggghhh! Teh Stoopit…it BURNS!!! 😛 Doesn’t matter which one – Tracey, HRG, Matt, Sylar. Ugh. And I am not loving the Claire bi-curious direction either. There’s no reason for it other than to titillate the audience. I sure hope the Hiro saving Charlie bit does something to move the story forward. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/11 "2009-10-27T13:58:32Z")
Not to get all science-nerdy, but – I’m not even sure what concepts they were garbling with the ‘strange attractor’-business. Generally, an attractor is a point or a set of points a dynamic system tends to approach after a long enough time; for instance, the point of rest of a pendulum is its attractor, since over time, it will get only closer and closer to that point. A _strange_ attractor is a set of such points that has fractal dimension, relevant to chaotic systems (and good for making [pretty pictures](http://www.nathanselikoff.com/strangeattractors/)). Nothing about ‘particles that don’t belong together ending up being together and becoming super-powerful’, or whatever the ‘explanation’ was. I’m not usually bothered by this stuff, but for some reason, I’m a bit miffed at this – I mean, five minutes spent with wiki and any random schmuck could come up with something better. And besides, the show’s fan base is pretty much the demographic that’s most likely to pick up on stuff like that. Also, it’s not like there aren’t enough beautifully metaphorical concepts in real science, so going around making nonsensical stuff up out of the blue just shows a lack of care. Aside from that, though – I feel somewhat pervy for this, but, could Claire even lose her virginity? I mean, permanently? Or would it just grow back? And will the show ever address this vital point? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/12 "2009-10-27T13:59:36Z")
> [@Tupug\_Anachi](#): > > I sure hope the Hiro saving Charlie bit does something to move the story forward. Charlie was always one of my favorite characters- it’ll be good to see her again. I guess, maybe, the tumor has convinced Hiro that the past can, in fact, be changed. Gretchen really doesn’t have a clue what a “strange attractor” is, does she? I guess that’s why she’s going to college. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/13 "2009-10-27T14:16:32Z")
Oh yeah - I forgot about Noah and Tracy. I have a feeling that after this little misadventure, Noah is going to talk to Angela about reforming The Company, only with less baqging and tagging, and more bagging and training. Did Tracy and Sylar ever meet? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/14 "2009-10-27T14:31:55Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > Aside from that, though – I feel somewhat pervy for this, but, could Claire even lose her virginity? I mean, permanently? Or would it just grow back? > > And will the show ever address this vital point? Where were you on the 'net during season 1? That question made up about a quarter of any Heroes fora discussion 😃 Then in season 2 West showed up and everyone switched to slagging him I’m finding the Claire/Gretch relationship being handled fairly maturely. Typical would be “Oh, I like you, but _not in that way,_ so you’ll just have to adore me from afar/ Oh woe is me, but I will stay your chaste roommate to remain in your munificent presence…” Heave. > [@](#): > > Did Tracy and Sylar ever meet? Briefly. Stay tuned Charlie: saved? Maybe. Returning? Tell the folks on Glee-she’s a regular there, so not likely ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/15 "2009-10-27T14:38:43Z")
Oh dear - after all the eps this season being either great or at least solid, I thought it was all a bit crap this week. I hope it’s just an unlucky one off rather than a sign of what we can expect from now on. I’m trying to think of stuff I thought that worked because I’d always rather stress the positive rather than the negative but I’ve got very little. Other than that I want to agree with whoever pointed out several eps back that the carnival seems creepily reminiscent of a Jamestown style cult - Samuel’s speech to Tracy is exactly how Jim Jones used to recruit people. ie the world sees no value in you but he does. You’re lost but join us and you’ll be part of something bigger than yourself, have a new home in a loving family blah blah blah. She went up several places in my estimation by telling him to sod off. Speaking of Tracy, it probably wasn’t the smartest thing ever to put her hand that was suddenly made of water on Jeremy’s arm, what with him accidentally killing people if he’s not concentrating on controlling his powers. I’ll be hoping for a strong return to form next week. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/16 "2009-10-27T14:51:33Z")
> [@Promethea](#): > > Oh dear - after all the eps this season being either great or at least solid, I thought it was all a bit crap this week. I hope it’s just an unlucky one off rather than a sign of what we can expect from now on. The story elements were ok, (taking into account my perma-peeve over head Sylar and personality parts that can be yanked from one person to another -that’s _Dollhouse_ people) - but it just didn’t mesh. The pacing was goofy and Samuel plopping into the middle of it all just didn’t mesh > [@](#): > > She went up several places in my estimation by telling him to sod off. For now… ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/17 "2009-10-27T16:19:59Z")
Well, dammit, I was right last week about Jeremy being locked up. I was just surprised Noah wasn’t in the next cell. How did Samuel know who killed Jeremy? Does the earth talk to him or something? And how did Samuel suddenly get the ability to teleport when he nabbed Traci? Bummer about Jeremy - if he hadn’t been mobbed, maybe he could have been salvaged. Poor kid. I was cheering when Samuel collapsed the building on top of the bad cop (though I felt bad because there were probably innocents inside as well, e.g. the sheriff who was just doing his job). ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/18 "2009-10-27T16:33:37Z")
> [@Mama\_Zappa](#): > > And how did Samuel suddenly get the ability to teleport when he nabbed Traci? He didn’t. The Carnival has its own Master of Time and Space (Oxygen Guy), but he’s dying, which is why Samuel was trying to recruit Hiro. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/19 "2009-10-27T17:02:25Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > He didn’t. The Carnival has its own Master of Time and Space (Oxygen Guy), but he’s dying, which is why Samuel was trying to recruit Hiro. Then how did he and Tracy suddenly get to the carnival? This puzzled me too. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180/20 "2009-10-27T18:21:43Z")
> [@Promethea](#): > > Then how did he and Tracy suddenly get to the carnival? This puzzled me too. Oxygen Guy (I’m sure I had heard a name, but darn if I remember it.) Seems to be able to teleport without touching. He also seems to be able to teleport the entire carnival. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-4-7-strange-attractors-10-26-09-spoilers/515180.md?page=2)