# Heroes 5/7/07 - "The Hard Part" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160 "2007-05-07T22:08:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/1 "2007-05-07T22:08:58Z")
Last week: Nathan is dead! Ando is dead! DL and Micah, dead! Claire, dead! The Haitian, dead! Hiro, dead! Hey, what’s this button? ::: reset ::: This week: Hiro’s back from the future with only a couple of episodes left to stop Peter or Sylar from taking out 3 million people. Let’s watch! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/2 "2007-05-07T22:30:06Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] to stop Peter or Sylar from taking out 3 million people. [/QUOTE] You know theres that third option, the guy who already has the nuke power and threatens to use it everytime someone looks at him funny? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/3 "2007-05-07T23:08:01Z")
[QUOTE=DigitalC] You know theres that third option, the guy who already has the nuke power and threatens to use it everytime someone looks at him funny? 🙂 [/QUOTE] Even a Caveman could do it! [sub]Sorry, guy who plays Ted[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/4 "2007-05-08T00:33:02Z")
Any speculation on this new super that’s the preview have hinted at? (Should this be in spoiler tags? I’ll do it just in case.) Her power is supposed to be so amazing that we won’t believe it. We already have a guy that can stop time, another that can stop other supers’ abilities, and 2 that can do multiple tricks. I can’t think of anything more badass than what we have already. Then again, I haven’t read all of the X-men comics 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/5 "2007-05-08T01:50:18Z")
Wait. What in Sylar’s repertoire allows him to overcome Hiro’s timefreeze? Or was it the contact with Hiro via the sword that did it? ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/6 "2007-05-08T01:54:04Z")
My guess? Sylar’s power … is exactly the same as Peter’s. Talk about your pathos. He didn’t need to kill all those people to steal their powers. That’s just in his head, a psychological need. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![enigm4tic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@enigm4tic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enigm4tic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/7 "2007-05-08T01:59:14Z")
soo… recap. Ugh: for every question answered, we get a new one. 1. Does The Company know who the bomb is? Sylar has to encounter Ted, if he kills Ted (WAG: this will be prevented, or almost prevented by Peter, who subsequently acquires Ted’s power, and if he fails to actually prevent his death, then Sylar will also have it) 2. Will Molly actually matter? It seems to me like we know where pretty much everybody is: we also know what the Company’s new “tracking device” is, and why right now everybody seems to be able to wander around without being tracked. 3. Why did Sylar unfreeze? Based on the end of the episode, Hiro merely lost concentration. 4. Whoah, the sword is broken! That wasn’t true in the future! I wonder if this signifies a beginning of the changes that are going to happen. 5. It seems Sylar is forming his OWN plan to blow up New York to be president. Will be interesting to see the two things dovetail. EDIT: Oh man, the preview for the last two episodes was sweet. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/8 "2007-05-08T02:02:13Z")
I’m so confused about Mama Petrelli. Which side is she on? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/9 "2007-05-08T02:03:40Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Wait. What in Sylar’s repertoire allows him to overcome Hiro’s timefreeze? Or was it the contact with Hiro via the sword that did it? [/QUOTE] Either, 1) Hiro lost concentration or 2) he had to let time run normally around syler to put the sword through Syler. I think 1 is the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/10 "2007-05-08T02:06:57Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’m so confused about Mama Petrelli. Which side is she on? [/QUOTE] She’s hiding Claire so she isn’t telling Linderman everything. I think next season is going to haveto get into her and Linderman’s backstory. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/11 "2007-05-08T02:08:54Z")
[QUOTE=enigm4tic] 4) Whoah, the sword is broken! That wasn’t true in the future! I wonder if this signifies a beginning of the changes that are going to happen. [/QUOTE] Did Hiro take back his sword or future Hiro’s sword. I like Hiro’s reaction to future Hiro. Very wise. ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/12 "2007-05-08T02:09:56Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] I’m so confused about Mama Petrelli. Which side is she on? [/QUOTE] The question I find myself asking lately, whenever I see somebody acting out of character … Are we sure that that was actually Mama Petrelli? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/13 "2007-05-08T02:10:26Z")
I think it was supposed to be that Hiro had to unfreeze time to chop Sylar… which isn’t how his power has worked in the past, as with, say, the car wreck and explosion when he met DL and Micah. However, I was absolutely _shocked_ when… the scene set in St. Louis actually _looked like St. Louis_! The architecture (and winter weather) were spot-on. Astonishing! Usually they give St. Louis the X-Files treatment (where affluent suburb Creve Cour got turned into a trailer park). But aside from that… Mohinder: still manipulated by everyone. Peter: emo bangs regenerated. Illusion-bitch: still needs to get capped. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/14 "2007-05-08T02:18:27Z")
[QUOTE=SCSimmons] My guess? Sylar’s power … is exactly the same as Peter’s. Talk about your pathos. He didn’t need to kill all those people to steal their powers. That’s just in his head, a psychological need. ☹ [/QUOTE] That seems like a familiar theory. 😛 Random thoughts: -I think Hiro did lose concentration and it wasn’t anything to do with Sylar. Hiro scrunched up his eyes before swinging the sword, like he does when he stops time, so it would seem doing it a second time unstops time. -I just realized something. Bennet knows what Peter can do because Linderman’s people know and they probably left Peter alone all this time because they wanted him to blow up and they didn’t want to risk interfering with that. If Peter encountered the Haitian do you think he could block his own powers? -I like that Claire still calls Mr. and Mrs. Bennet “mom and dad” and Nathan is just Nathan. -I was happy that I figured out the cure at probably the same time Mohinder did. -Mama Petrelli is even more bad ass than we thought. -Claire’s “he can fly?” and the quiet “Cool!” was good. It reminded me that’s she’s essentially still a kid. -Molly said the boogey-man eats brains. Eww, I was really hoping that Sylar wasn’t that creepy and was only removing and studying the brains. I sure hope they’re just leading us on with that bit. -I have to keep reminding myself that Peter and Claire are supposed to be blood relatives. -The actor who plays Sylar sure does good creepy. His voice has the same effect as saying “Mufasa” does to the hyena. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/15 "2007-05-08T02:18:42Z")
I think mama Petrelli is just on the Petrelli side, that means helping Peter, Claire and Nathan in whatever she thinks is best. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/16 "2007-05-08T02:25:07Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] -Claire’s “he can fly?” and the quiet “Cool!” was good. It reminded me that’s she’s essentially still a kid. [/QUOTE] That was the best moment of the ep and one of the best five moments of the series. It’s the sort of touch that makes a good episode into a great one. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/17 "2007-05-08T02:26:14Z")
[QUOTE=SCSimmons] The question I find myself asking lately, whenever I see somebody acting out of character … Are we sure that that was actually Mama Petrelli? :eek: [/QUOTE] I think so because Candice was busy babysitting and if she left the kid alone he could probably escape, unless she drugged him up or they got someone else to watch him and she seemed to be on her own watching him. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/18 "2007-05-08T02:28:18Z")
Could it have been Sylar absorbing Hiro’s power that caused him to unfreeze? Hiro froze time, Sylar unfroze it. Looks like Sylar’s mother had the special Mother Power, the one that can make even the accomplished children feel like failures. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/19 "2007-05-08T02:40:45Z")
Sylar doesn’t absorb powers, and his power doesn’t function like Peter’s does. We know what Sylar’s original power was: he takes things apart and sees what makes them tick. Literally. As a matter of fact, the writers all but bludgeoned the viewers over the head with what Sylar’s power was, by making him a watch repairman. (also, for the Watchmen riff, since they seem to be comics nerds, too). So Sylar might not need to _kill_ his victims, but he probably needs to do at least as much to them as he’d need to do in repairing a broken clock. Presumably, they could survive such a thing. If Sylar wasn’t such a psychopath and he actually tried it. But he hasn’t picked up Ted’s nor Hiro’s powers at all, because he hasn’t (yet) taken them apart to see what makes them tick. Interesting, though, that Hiro’s appearance basically ended whatever chance Sylar’s mother had of surviving her stabbing – with _all_ those powers Sylar has, it’s possible he could have “fixed” what was wrong with her, or at least had time enough for some cathartic last words. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/20 "2007-05-08T02:45:47Z")
[QUOTE=DigitalC] I think mama Petrelli is just on the Petrelli side, that means helping Peter, Claire and Nathan in whatever she thinks is best. [/QUOTE] With would kind of make her a raving sociopath. “I don’t care if three million people die, as long as my baby becomes President!” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160.md?page=2)