# Heroes 5/7/07 - "The Hard Part" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160 "2007-05-07T22:08:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/101 "2007-05-09T15:43:07Z")
[QUOTE=enigm4tic] Not sure if you’re joking, but actually, this is what made me think of this. He _did_ meet the “dinosaur” in the museum, and that meant the painting came “literally” true. hiro was standing in front of a dinosaur holding out the sword (scabbard, actually). hence, Candice’s illusions could make the painting come true in a sense, without New York exploding. [/QUOTE] Actually, I never saw that. I am usually doing something else at the same time I have the episode on. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/102 "2007-05-09T16:11:46Z")
[QUOTE=Little Bird] Suuuuuuudenly Sylarrrrrr! Is standing besiiiiide meeeeee! I just wanted to pat the little guy on the head and tell him “Hey guy, you’re all right. You don’t have to kill a buncha people. You need a Coke?” But that’s probably my love of “So NoTorious” speaking again. [/QUOTE] Hearing that song during the whole episode was very distracting. The fact that it was in my head did not make it any better. > [@](#): > > And when Suresh said that his sister was dead while he and Molly were looking at her picture, I expected Molly to say, “She’s not dead.” That comes later, I’m sure. I have no actual knowledge of that but I’m pretty sure that will happen. In an interview Kring was saying that next season will deal will the families and what happened in the past. I have a feeling one of the plots will be Mohinder looking for his sister. I am a bit confused. Is it two more episodes and then the finale? Or are there only two episodes left? ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/103 "2007-05-09T16:27:18Z")
[QUOTE=Ferd Burfel] Has Syler ever used the “super memory” power that he obtained from the waitress? Or was her brain eaten just because Syler thinks they’re tasty? [/QUOTE] I’m not sure that Syler actually got that power. As I recall, Hiro traveled back in time to save her from Syler…she then told him that she had a brain clot that was going to kill her very soon. Then Hiro jumped back to Japan…so I’m not sure if Syler killed her in the “altered” timeline when Hiro went back in time or if she died of natural causes. It wasn’t really shown one way or another I don’t think. _Edited to add_: Oh, and I think that next Monday they air two episodes back to back…the last of which will be the season finale. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/104 "2007-05-09T16:38:27Z")
I don’t think Sylar did get super-memory. That was before he had access to Mohinder’s board of powered people and results - but he was upset and didn’t look like he could recall any details from it when it broke. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/105 "2007-05-09T16:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I don’t think Sylar did get super-memory. That was before he had access to Mohinder’s board of powered people and results - but he was upset and didn’t look like he could recall any details from it when it broke. [/QUOTE] Covered in one of the comics, Sylar did in fact kill Charlie. – not so sure it was “super memory” as much as it was “super learning” or something to that affect.. but nonetheless, sylar has Charlies power… When Sylar put on the glasses, I had that whole scene from the Tick run thru my head… Tick: Hey Gabriel, have you seen sylar? he was just here… Sylar: It’s me, see (takes off glasses). Tick: Oh, Sylar! There you are… ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/106 "2007-05-09T17:19:43Z")
[QUOTE=simster] Covered in one of the comics, Sylar did in fact kill Charlie. – not so sure it was “super memory” as much as it was “super learning” or something to that affect.. but nonetheless, sylar has Charlies power… When Sylar put on the glasses, I had that whole scene from the Tick run thru my head… Tick: Hey Gabriel, have you seen sylar? he was just here… Sylar: It’s me, see (takes off glasses). Tick: Oh, Sylar! There you are… [/QUOTE] Don’t mention the comics, someone will get very angry. :rolleyes: It was covered on air also. The comics sometimes just reiterate what was on screen. When Hiro showed up the second time from the past Texas there was a quick montage. Part of it showed the waitress getting sliced up. It still happened. The whole sequence just proved that time is unforgiving and Hiro is not all powerful. He may be able to change events but it is not going to be easy. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/107 "2007-05-09T17:55:37Z")
[QUOTE=Rich Mann] Last episode FutureHiro corrected Ando that he was actually a Bukkajitsu (I think) master. When (and, more importantly, _ **when** _) did this happen? My bold prediction is that at some point before the final showdown (possibly at the last second) Hiro will spontaneously time-travel back to ancient Japan and spend months (or even years) studying swordsmanship from a great master. Perhaps during this time his sword will be re-cast (or re-whatever-it-is-they-do). He will then return to the ‘present’ exactly where and when he left, but with all the Mad Samurai Skilz he needs to save the day. Or I could just have an active imagination. [/QUOTE] I have been hoping for this. Hiro travels back in time and he ends up being the legendary samurai that his dad told him stories about when he was a kid and he ends up having “Mad Samurai Skilz” and during that time he learns to fully control his power. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/108 "2007-05-09T17:58:55Z")
[QUOTE=Tahssa] I have been hoping for this. Hiro travels back in time and he ends up being the legendary samurai that his dad told him stories about when he was a kid and he ends up having “Mad Samurai Skilz” and during that time he learns to fully control his power. [/QUOTE] I’ve been thinking the same thing for a while. It may still happen. Why else mention the legend of that samurai guy? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/109 "2007-05-09T19:49:09Z")
[QUOTE=Atrael] Oh, and I think that next Monday they air two episodes back to back…the last of which will be the season finale. [/QUOTE] I’m like 98% sure that the VO for the previews said “over the next two Mondays…” but as always check your local listings. ---
**Author:** ![enigm4tic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@enigm4tic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enigm4tic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/110 "2007-05-09T21:21:55Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I’ve been thinking the same thing for a while. It may still happen. Why else mention the legend of that samurai guy? [/QUOTE] I hate having to spoiler this released/seen in preview stuff but: Hiro’s dad knows something we don’t, and Hiro, according to a released episode synopsis, is going to “learn something about his past”. We only have two days before the election, but Hiro doesn’t need to be a badass Samurai to stab somebody and I think his Dad may give him just the kick in the ass that he needs to kill Sylar next episode. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/111 "2007-05-09T21:32:12Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] I’ve been thinking the same thing for a while. It may still happen. Why else mention the legend of that samurai guy? [/QUOTE] Since it’s a given that Hiro’s father has a power… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/112 "2007-05-09T23:31:24Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Since it’s a given that Hiro’s father has a power… [/QUOTE] On that note, what about Syler’s mom? Up until this week, every parent of a super that we have met also had a demonstrated power, with the possible exception of George Takei. But since he appears to know all about things, I think it’s safe to assume he has one as well. So what was Syler’s mother’s power, and why did we learn nothing about it? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/113 "2007-05-09T23:58:32Z")
We’ve seen Niki’s father - no super-powers. We’ve seen DL’s mother - no super-powers. Sylar’s mother - no super-powers. We don’t _know_ that Nathan and Peter have a super-parent, nor that Hiro does. And we’ve seen a whole host of heroes whose parents haven’t been mentioned one way or the other (e.g., Matt, Ted, Wireless, Candace, etc.) So far the only super’s we seen who have super parents for sure are Claire and Micah. It’s another wild speculation to jump to the conclusion that _all_ heroes must have super-parents because of these two examples and some hopeful thinking about Mama Petrelli and Sulu. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/114 "2007-05-09T23:59:33Z")
I think she had the ability to be super-annoying. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/115 "2007-05-10T06:49:53Z")
Didn’t you see the half-eaten morsel on the plate? Sylar’s Mom’s power was to make a completely irresistible tuna fish sandwich. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/116 "2007-05-10T12:12:09Z")
[QUOTE=scotandrsn] Sylar’s Mom’s power was to make a completely irresistible tuna fish sandwich. [/QUOTE] And yet Sylar resisted it. Who do you suppose he had to kill for that power? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/117 "2007-05-10T13:28:56Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Since it’s a given that Hiro’s father has a power… [/QUOTE] If you are interested in Hiro’s father he has a new [website.](http://yamagatofellowship.org/index.shtml) It’s supposed to lay the groundwork for next season but there isn’t much there now. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/118 "2007-05-10T14:20:09Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] Could we please keep stuff from previews in spoiler boxes. Some of us don’t watch them, especially since they tend to be really misleading. **Otto** , since you seem to be in charge of the weekly threads, why not some ground rules, like we have for \*\*24 \*\* and **Lost**? [/QUOTE] I watch _Heroes_ via download from iTunes, which does not have the previews included, and I prefer it that way. I’d much rather be totally surprised by what happens in the actual episodes. Here’s a vote for “please spoiler preview info.” Or at least warn that your post is going to include preview info. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/119 "2007-05-10T16:39:31Z")
I make my vote for no spoilers for preview info. It’s been broadcast on the public airwaves, for heaven’s sake. It’s not like we’re hunting up double-secret obscure information here. If your personal preference is to not watch previews, well, tough. They’re always misleading and silly, anyway. Better they be dis-regarded than spoiler-boxed. Plus, they’re re-broadcast about a hundred times during the week in commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160/120 "2007-05-10T16:53:07Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] And yet Sylar resisted it. Who do you suppose he had to kill for that power? [/QUOTE] Well, there were no signs of daddy (Rick Moranis) around… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-5-7-07-the-hard-part/403160.md?page=7)