# Heroes 9/22 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773 "2008-09-23T01:28:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/101 "2008-09-24T15:19:45Z")
My bet is that melted-reporter-guy will be back. Almost any character with that many lines has a super power. In fact, how many characters in this show DON’T have super powers? I’m out after next week if no improvement is evident. These two episodes had me looking around trying to decide what I wanted to read. You know you’re in trouble when the best scenes are lifted directly from another source. I know, I know, when it’s that blatant it’s an _homage._ But ideally you should be making something so cool that others are stealing from you. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/102 "2008-09-24T15:36:56Z")
> [@Just\_Some\_Guy](#): > > With the problems of last season where while it was airing we were told that they realized their problems and were revamping. So I gave things another chance and was disappointed. I’m willing to give it another week or two but I’m on the verge of tuning out permanently. You seem to thinking “revamp” stands for “changing the things i personally do not like”. The thing that they are changing from last season is the really really slow start were almost nothing happened for several weeks, this is obviously NOT the case this season. Most people don’t have a problem with the time travel stuff, its the slow pacing and shitty romance that Kring apologized for last season. ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/103 "2008-09-24T15:51:20Z")
I hated the first episode so much that I feared the show was ruined, but the 2nd episode was great. About future Peter sticking present Peter in that villian’s body, it’s not a new power that he’s acquired. The shaved head villian absorbs people somehow. Noah Bennett said something about that to Claire when he showed her his file at the house. I’m really glad that Sylar didn’t kill Elle because I love that character! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/104 "2008-09-24T16:33:17Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > You seem to thinking “revamp” stands for “changing the things i personally do not like”. The thing that they are changing from last season is the really really slow start were almost nothing happened for several weeks, this is obviously NOT the case this season. Most people don’t have a problem with the time travel stuff, its the slow pacing and shitty romance that Kring apologized for last season. But some people (myself included) are sick of every season being based around tine travel and the attempt to stop some future bad thing from happening. Especially because the time travel is handled so poorly. Kring has said he wants to listen to fans, but the twisty time travel shit is one thing he just doesn’t want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/105 "2008-09-24T16:55:33Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Kring has said he wants to listen to fans, but the twisty time travel shit is one thing he just doesn’t want to hear. It seems to me they are tying off the time travel thing. Hiro has learned not to go back, and Mama Petrelli has made it very clear you don’t fuck with time. Future Peter has quickly learned that mucking with the past fucks things up possibly worse. Sure, we’re getting time travel isssues, but the lesson we’re learning is that it’s a really bad thing. Mama Petrelli can see the future and I see no reason to eliminate that from the story. If you can see the future, you can try to guide things the way you want, and I don’t see anything wrong with that from a story-telling point of you. They just need to avoid the going back in time deus ex machina, and I think they’re trying to. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/106 "2008-09-24T17:02:40Z")
Yes, Kring has said he listened to fan complaints. And we saw several examples of the results of that – Hiro saying he wouldn’t go into the past again, Sylar telling Claire that he doesn’t eat brains. But the time travel thing is still a major part of the series. So perhaps those who believe that time-travel plotlines are ruining the show are not very good indicators of what Kring found out the fans were complaining about. I, for one, _like_ the time-travel bits. (… although I still wonder what happened to Irish lassie.) Furthermore, Kring is probably smart enough to realize that, since he has established fan-favorite characters who can travel through time, he’s got a sort of Checkov’s gun on his hands. If Hiro and Peter _don’t_ attempt to use their time-travel abilities to fix problems, that would _also_ bring howls of outrage from “fans”. In that no-win situation, I’d take Kring’s choice, too. Even if I did think the time travel is a problem, not a feature. Which I don’t. To save us from _yet another_ thread of complaints that Kring isn’t following random posters’ personal vision, anybody want to guess what changes _were_ made in response to fan rage? - plot developments back to Season One pace - no more Hiro marooned in Period Costume Land - Molly the moppet exiled to Siberia - flying Wes gone MIA What else? ---
**Author:** ![misshannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3e96dc/32.png) [@misshannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misshannah)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/107 "2008-09-24T17:11:06Z")
The question about Wire cast members was driving me crazy, so I was trying to find any info on the new villains. Here’s what I found – Marlo and Bubbles: yes; Herc: no. [villains photo](http://www.heroestelevision.com/volume-3-villains-strange-samedi-photo/) Flint (blue flame hands) is [Blake Shields](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2381814016/nm0793171). Looks a lot like the actor who played Herc! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/108 "2008-09-24T17:59:16Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > \ > You know you’re in trouble when the best scenes are lifted directly from another source. I know, I know, when it’s that blatant it’s an _homage._ But ideally you should be making something so cool that others are stealing from you. Yeah, that’s a good, valid point. It looks like we will see a time travel moratorium after this season - if they keep going down the path of the Butterfly Effect, where every time you mess with time you make things worse. Hopefully, anyway. Time travel shows are really starting to piss me off - I don’t like the time travel _deus ex machina_ being trotted out every time lazy writers write themselves into a corner. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/109 "2008-09-24T20:04:29Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > It looks like we will see a time travel moratorium after this season - if they keep going down the path of the Butterfly Effect, where every time you mess with time you make things worse. Hopefully, anyway. Time travel shows are really starting to piss me off - I don’t like the time travel _deus ex machina_ being trotted out every time lazy writers write themselves into a corner. Kring better do something. This was the lowest rated Heroes episode ever. [http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0572181/](http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0572181/) ---
**Author:** ![Meltdown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Meltdown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/110 "2008-09-24T20:06:25Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I’m still amazed that speedGirl knew EXACTLY when Hiro would have that bit of paper in his hand. > > Everything else, I can kinda deal with - but that kind of timing is borderline :rolleyes: Well, it’s been established that speedGirl can run from Paris to Berlin in a matter of seconds. That’s pretty far. If there was some kind of alarm signal that was triggered when the safe was open, and she was pretty much anywhere in Japan (or even further, if it turns out she can run so fast she can run across water – wasn’t The Flash able to do that?), she could easily get there between the time the safe was opened and when she did. As to who installed the alarm, and why, I haven’t the foggiest. But it doesn’t seem out of character from the rest of the show. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/111 "2008-09-24T20:38:25Z")
Well, at least we know Maja’s fate - to die in childbirth after delivering Mo’s worm-baby. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/112 "2008-09-24T20:57:30Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > You seem to thinking “revamp” stands for “changing the things i personally do not like”. Of course I do. That’s the whole point of having a revamp. “You people didn’t like it? Okay, we’ll revamp!” Thus I, and other people who were generally unhappy with the previous season, tune in hoping that they’ve changed the things I didn’t like. And it turns out they didn’t change. So am I supposed to say, “Well gee, they didn’t change the aspects of the show that were problems for me but I guess I better just sit down, shut up, and take it.”? This is a discussion thread about the show, you know. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/113 "2008-09-24T22:11:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, at least we know Maja’s fate - to die in childbirth after delivering Mo’s worm-baby. Nah, given the genetics, that baby is going to beautiful. Very, very beautiful. And dumb. Very, very dumb. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/114 "2008-09-24T22:20:14Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Nah, given the genetics, that baby is going to beautiful. Very, very beautiful. > > And dumb. > Very, very dumb. Nirvana. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/115 "2008-09-29T12:51:08Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > They _did_ revamp. They even gave a shout-out to what they revamped – Hiro swore off going into the past. _That_ is what they felt was the problem. Obviously, they believe that starting out with the flash-forward is successful for them. > > **Scoundrel Swanswater** the guy from X-Men was [Bruce Davidson](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001117/); different guy. Bruce Davison. Yeah, the two actors are starting to resemble each other as they age; when the character showed up I actually thought it was Bruce Davison for a moment, until my girlfriend recognized Katt. Of course, they’ve both been in superhero stories, so it wouldn’t be surprising; maybe we’ll still see Bruce Davison. The “Twelve” thing goes back thousands of years before comic books. Twelve Apostles, Twelve Pagan Worthies, Twelve Christian Worthies, etc. Claire’s mom was relieved that Sylar hadn’t raped her; I think having the top of your head taken off and a guy pokin’ around in your brain while you lie there helpless is actually worse than a normal rape. Claire sounded like she was echoing online comments when she said her healing was a “lame power” because she was still a victim. I would like to see her learn to do more than just not die. But, I think I might just skip the show from now on, rather than keep watching something and then complaining about it. Great premise, but the lazy writing soon drifted away from the “real world” into comic book conventions. And just too much stupid. I never watched _The 4400_ because it was promoted as having one of those moronic “alien abduction” premises. Was I wrong about that? ETA: I’m also wondering where the heck Present Peter’s body is. (And where’s Bald Guy’s mind?) Disregarding that switch, it would be interesting to just have two Peters from now on, since Future Peter is from a timeline that’s not going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/116 "2008-09-29T14:03:43Z")
> [@Baldwin](#): > > I never watched _The 4400_ because it was promoted as having one of those moronic “alien abduction” premises. Was I wrong about that? I’ll have to completely spoil it: You were wrong about that. As were most of us. People were abducted from the future, where (when) there appears to be a power struggle going on. People being sent back with abilities all had a destiny to play in how the future would turn out. It was either correct the future and make it better, or maintain the perhaps corrupt evil future power structure as it is.It was a good show, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Bites\_When\_Provoked](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bites_when_provoked/32/18073_2.png) [@Bites\_When\_Provoked](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bites_When_Provoked)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/117 "2008-10-10T04:59:16Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > You were wrong about that. As were most of us. People were abducted from the future, where (when) there appears to be a power struggle going on. People being sent back with abilities all had a destiny to play in how the future would turn out. It was either correct the future and make it better, or maintain the perhaps corrupt evil future power structure as it is. Wait, does that make sense? I don’t remember much about the 4400, as I only saw some of the early episodes, butDidn’t they made a big point about people going missing from the past? Stuff like “June 4, 1956, Colorado” etc attached to individual disappearances? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773/118 "2008-10-10T09:29:29Z")
> [@Bites\_When\_Provoked](#): > > Wait, does that make sense? I don’t remember much about the 4400, as I only saw some of the early episodes, butDidn’t they made a big point about people going missing from the past? Stuff like “June 4, 1956, Colorado” etc attached to individual disappearances? Sorry, I wasn’t clear about that: People from the future were the ones abducting people from the past. So yes, people had been disappearing since the 40’s or 50’s, etc. The main thing is, it wasn’t aliens doing the abducting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-22/464773.md?page=5)