# Heroes 9/24/07 - 2nd season premiere "Four Months Later..." **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2007, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289 "2007-09-24T12:19:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/141 "2007-09-26T02:10:40Z")
[QUOTE=GuanoLad] So my theory that Nathan Petrelli, who slipped Ando the picture of Nakamura into the paper when he bumped into him, and hung the picture of his mother on the wall outside his apartment, and then flew away after pushing Nakamura off the rooftop, isn’t what anyone else thinks happened? [/QUOTE] Oh, [I agree](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9013816&postcount=119) with you. And it wouldn’t be surprising to me that Papa Sulu could say “I didn’t expect it to be you” if it’s Nathan. He was in the group masterminding Nathan to be New York’s Hero after the nuke, and “I didn’t expect it to be you” could be “I didn’t expect you’ve distanced so far from being our lackey.” ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/142 "2007-09-26T02:24:59Z")
[QUOTE=Only Mostly Dead] And it wouldn’t be surprising to me that Papa Sulu could say “I didn’t expect it to be you” if it’s Nathan. He was in the group masterminding Nathan to be New York’s Hero after the nuke, and “I didn’t expect it to be you” could be “I didn’t expect you’ve distanced so far from being our lackey.” [/QUOTE] No he wasn’t. Hiro’s father was one of the ones that started The Company (or at least someone very high up to boss around Mr. Bennett). ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/143 "2007-09-26T02:34:39Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] It didn’t happen on my television therefore it doesn’t exist. He hasn’t resigned until someone on TV says so. [/QUOTE] :dubious: Mmm-hmm. And your explanation for why Nathan is drunk and hirsute, hiding in Peter’s apartment having ostracized his family, _4-months_ after he was elected is… ? It’s four months later. Nathan has _clearly_ been shown _not_ to be behaving like a Congressman. Ergo, he’s not. [QUOTE=Little Bird] nobody expects the spanish inquisition… [/QUOTE] The Spanish Inquisition would make much more sense, actually. [QUOTE=Only Mostly Dead] And it wouldn’t be surprising to me that Papa Sulu could say “I didn’t expect it to be you” if it’s Nathan. He was in the group masterminding Nathan to be New York’s Hero after the nuke, and “I didn’t expect it to be you” could be “I didn’t expect you’ve distanced so far from being our lackey.” [/QUOTE] All implications have been that Hiro’s father was _not_ part of the SuperFriends by that point in time. That was Linderman, Mama Petrelli, and Mr. Deveraux doing the plotting then. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/144 "2007-09-26T03:56:28Z")
[QUOTE=Baldwin] Kinda slow; with all the characters in this show, why did they spend so much time with the snotty cheerleaders? [/QUOTE] Because Claire is going to become one of them. [QUOTE=Baldwin] My money is on Mr. Muggles. That dog _knows_ something . . . . [/QUOTE] Hey, I can’t be the only one that was expecting that damn dog to talk when she started kissing him and talking to him! ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/145 "2007-09-26T04:00:23Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Honduran. The dead people looked to have blood running out of the corners of their eyes so my money’s on Jayna having some kind of Scanners-like brain bursting power but without the actual exploding heads. I have a feeling that Zan has some kind of power damping but my evidence for that is on the level of “gut.” [/QUOTE] The online comic… errr sorry, the online graphic novel indicates she fills them with poison or something. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/146 "2007-09-26T04:33:03Z")
[QUOTE=randwill] That reminds me of my final annoying thing. After the last ad the voice over announcer said something like, “And now the conclusion of “Heroes”, with no further commercial interruption.” This was at 9:50 PM. Thanks a lot, Oh Generous One. Seven whole minutes without a commercial! How can I ever thank you? [/QUOTE] I actually liked that. There was usually a break with like 3 or four minutes left, and THAT was really annoying to me! ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/147 "2007-09-26T04:48:55Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] “Sark” isn’t a nickname; it’s the actor’s character from another series, “Alias”. And you’re right, if you didn’t watch Alias you’re not one of the cool kids. Go watch it. Right now. I’ll wait. [/QUOTE] Everyone knows who [Sark](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sark_(Tron)) is. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/148 "2007-09-26T06:18:17Z")
To leave behind the debates on nicknames and predicitablity and the like: I’m watching the episode right now on NBC’s website, and they offer closed captioning. This is good for me, since I’m eating crackers. All of the sound effects are in brackets, so you get [crickets chirping] and [door opens] and the like. They also use this for [Speaking Spanish] and [Speaking Japanese] But there’s one exception! When Hiro’s dad gets killed, it’s written (quotation marks mine) as “thud!” (That’s their capitalization.) And while Ando is subtitled as yelling “Sir!” the closed captions say (quotation marks mine again) “KAITO!” Typos, or somehow incredibly meaningful and subtle hints? I’m going with typos, but as someone upthread did say, with this being Heroes the really random junk has a much better chance of being true. ---
**Author:** ![Carnick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carnick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnick)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/149 "2007-09-26T09:37:19Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] So if Hiro inadvertently changed history by preventing Kensai from saving the village, are we watching an altered time line in the present? And if Hiro sets things right, will all that happens in the present this season be wiped out, a la Bobby Ewing in the shower? [/QUOTE] I think it’s one of those paradox thingies. The present timeline remains normal because Hiro was always meant to go back in time. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/150 "2007-09-26T12:58:32Z")
[QUOTE=Wolfian] Everyone knows who [Sark](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sark_(Tron)) is. [/QUOTE] Heh. That’s _exactly_ who I thought it was. But then, I’m one of the cool kids. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/151 "2007-09-26T17:16:34Z")
[QUOTE=Carnick] I think it’s one of those paradox thingies. The present timeline remains normal because Hiro was always meant to go back in time. [/QUOTE] But in Hiro’s present, Kensai is a legendary hero and he saves the village. Now, the village is destroyed, so that means Hiro’s present has a different legend. I need to go lie down…the room is spinning. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/152 "2007-09-26T17:20:01Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] But in Hiro’s present, Kensai is a legendary hero and he saves the village. Now, the village is destroyed, so that means Hiro’s present has a different legend. [/QUOTE] Or the legends have simply been distorted through the intervening centuries, and Hensai or however it’s spelled makes for a better story saving the village than letting it burn. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/153 "2007-09-26T17:23:13Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Or the legends have been distorted through the intervening centuries. [/QUOTE] Surely you jest! ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/154 "2007-09-26T17:29:12Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] But in Hiro’s present, Kensai is a legendary hero and he saves the village. Now, the village is destroyed, so that means Hiro’s present has a different legend. I need to go lie down…the room is spinning. [/QUOTE] All Hiro did was save the man he thought was Kensei from death. We don’t know how far away Hiro teleported to, but the real Kensei was there. They then had to work what looked like miles just to get back to the town. Something tells me it was going to be destroyed whether Hiro was there or not. And for all we know, Kensei may save the village later because of Hiro’s pestering and THAT’S the event that gets written of in the legends. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/155 "2007-09-26T17:46:54Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] And for all we know, Kensei may save the village later because of Hiro’s pestering and THAT’S the event that gets written of in the legends. [/QUOTE] That’s the way I see it. Kensei’s a slug, but it’s Hiro’s future, and he’s going to make the past fit his history, and Kensei’s going to end up a reluctant hero. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/156 "2007-09-26T18:27:02Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] That’s the way I see it. Kensei’s a slug, but it’s Hiro’s future, and he’s going to make the past fit his history, and Kensei’s going to end up a reluctant hero. [/QUOTE] God I hope not; the reluctant hero is such a cliche and honestly haven’t we had enough reluctant heros in this series already? I’d love to see Hiro running around trying to do all these heroic things that Kensei’s supposed to have done while all the time Kensai’s in the background drinking and whoring and generally not changing his ways in any way because of Hiro’s intervention. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/157 "2007-09-26T18:42:38Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] God I hope not; the reluctant hero is such a cliche and honestly haven’t we had enough reluctant heros in this series already? I’d love to see Hiro running around trying to do all these heroic things that Kensei’s supposed to have done while all the time Kensai’s in the background drinking and whoring and generally not changing his ways in any way because of Hiro’s intervention. [/QUOTE] I’m okay with it working out that way, but Kensei’s still going to get the credit. Hiro can have the satisfaction of knowing he did it all, but the history books can’t be rewritten with Hiro Nakamura as the legendary hero. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/158 "2007-09-26T18:51:54Z")
Maybe that’s how FutureHiro becomes FutureHiro, with the soul patch and the sword slung on his back…he has seen horrors in feudal Japan and comes back jaded. So that’s how he has his sword and how PresentHiro has his sword…they got them at different times. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/159 "2007-09-26T18:59:17Z")
I’m ok with Hiro making the Kensai into the legendary hero. I would love it if Nathan is the one offing the original superfriends and that he turns into a sort of bad guy and then him and Peter end up on opposite sides and they have to confront each other. I’m also a peeved that they killed off Sulu without telling us what his power(s) is. Did anyone catch a hint that I may have missed? I think there have been several hints in the show and speculation here that Mama Petrelli may have persuasion powers when she touches people because whenever Nathan would start to doubt the plan she would lay a hand on him and reassure him and then he’d stop doubting for a little while. But as far as I can recall I do not remember any such hint about Sulu. **EDIT:** That’s interesting \*\* Ivylass\*\*. I never thought about it like that. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289/160 "2007-09-26T19:01:06Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] I’m okay with it working out that way, but Kensei’s still going to get the credit. Hiro can have the satisfaction of knowing he did it all, but the history books can’t be rewritten with Hiro Nakamura as the legendary hero. [/QUOTE] Fine by me if Kensei (I am trying to refrain from calling him “Kensark” in deference to the nickname-haters) gets the credit, if they include many scenes of David Anders drinking and whoring. Especially whoring. Woof. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-9-24-07-2nd-season-premiere-four-months-later/420289.md?page=9)