# Heroes S4- “Redemption” (Five Years Gone yet?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946 "2009-09-21T14:22:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/41 "2009-09-23T19:57:01Z")
Maybe he’s an empath? Or maybe the earth moving is his power and he got/stole the magic tattoo pen from someone. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/42 "2009-09-23T23:05:24Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Maybe he’s an empath? I thought so, too, or rather was afraid that that’s how it would turn out to be, but then, why did he have to rely on the old guy to travel back in time? **Annie** , if you keep up the quality of your reviews, I’ll vow to satisfy your Mohinder cravings. Let’s see, I’ll need a shapeshifter, a telepath, perhaps a couple of corpses to stitch together, a hunchbacked assistant, and a lightning storm… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/43 "2009-09-23T23:10:43Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > OK, so watched it again…Wyatt / T-Bag / head Carnie guy can manipulate ink…AND move the Earth? I’d forgotten that he used his hands to push dirt on the coffin at the beginning. Maybe he can move minerals, or has some other kind of only-on-inorganics telekinesis. So he can’t do the Vader-style force-choke any more than he can travel back in time under his own power – but if he can get something _ **else** _ near your throat, be it ordinary sand or synthetic ink or whatever, he can strangle you with his mind easy as throwing dirt on a grave. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/44 "2009-09-24T03:00:57Z")
> [@Promethea](#): > > ..because a dozen or more ghoulish students would be queuing up to lie down in the outline and getting their picture taken by their mates. They were too busy taking pictures with their phones. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Maybe he can move minerals, or has some other kind of only-on-inorganics telekinesis. So he can’t do the Vader-style force-choke any more than he can travel back in time under his own power – but if he can get something _ **else** _ near your throat, be it ordinary sand or synthetic ink or whatever, he can strangle you with his mind easy as throwing dirt on a grave. All will be revealed. Well, maybe most of of it 😉 > [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > **Annie** , if you keep up the quality of your reviews, I’ll vow to satisfy your Mohinder cravings. Let’s see, I’ll need a shapeshifter, a telepath, perhaps a couple of corpses to stitch together, a hunchbacked assistant, and a lightning storm… Someone’s going to be turning into a bug, aren’t they?😃 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/45 "2009-09-24T04:41:20Z")
After season one, it’s been like a car crash. I really don’t want to look at it, but good gods I simply can not look away. Ah well, at least I broke the habit of watching Lost. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/46 "2009-09-24T04:47:24Z")
He might be a patternmaster.😉 He draws power from a coterie of followers. Not exactly an empath. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/47 "2009-09-24T07:29:23Z")
It seems clear to me that the Magic Compass is a mutant detector. The needle spins if the person holding it has powers. I absolutely love that Peter is using his powers in a superhero way that actually has a chance of working in their non-comicbook world. Peter and Hiro both want to use their abilities for good, but Hiro seems to expect the rest of the world to join him in his fantasy. Peter is not bucking against the normals so much, and is able to actually get something done. I’m guessing he’ll lose his job next week and be useless in most situations for the next six months. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/48 "2009-09-24T13:20:39Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > It seems clear to me that the Magic Compass is a mutant detector. The needle spins if the person holding it has powers. Was it spinning when T-Bag (I’ll never remember his new name) was holding it? I’m thinking it might be a power detector that shows what someone can do. Since Peter is an empath, it spins wildly because he can do everything. A compass that just shows if someone has a power isn’t very useful. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/49 "2009-09-24T14:16:05Z")
Apart from the embarrassingly clumsy set-up and pay-off of Hiro’s story, I liked it. I think if this is how it had developed in Season 2 - to try and use their powers for good and eventually form a cohesive team - everything would’ve turned out much better. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/50 "2009-09-24T14:31:48Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Was it spinning when T-Bag (I’ll never remember his new name) was holding it? I’m thinking it might be a power detector that shows what someone can do. Since Peter is an empath, it spins wildly because he can do everything. A compass that just shows if someone has a power isn’t very useful. The one that Samuel had and tossed into the grave was cracked. I would assume it was broken. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/51 "2009-09-24T14:38:38Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Apart from the embarrassingly clumsy set-up and pay-off of Hiro’s story, I liked it. I think if this is how it had developed in Season 2 - to try and use their powers for good and eventually form a cohesive team - everything would’ve turned out much better. [QUOTE=Saltire] I absolutely love that Peter is using his powers in a superhero way that actually has a chance of working in their non-comicbook world. Peter and Hiro both want to use their abilities for good, but Hiro seems to expect the rest of the world to join him in his fantasy. [/QUOTE] Sweet zombie Jane Austen, yes to all the above. Peter also seem to have figured out that his family is, 95% of the time loving, devoted to him, if a little slappy on Angela’s part and would kill or be killed to protect each other but the other 5% they will semi literally send you to hell for whatever they think is the greater good (Angela-nuke NYC, Nathan-Building 26 PWA prison). How long he stays that way, unknown. Certainly not for long. I could see him trusting Sylar-than more than real Nathan, were he to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/52 "2009-09-24T19:50:33Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I so want the braless Claire to get down and dirty with her new best friend, who was last seen seducing and then blackmaling David Duchovny on Californication. Yum. THANK YOU!!! _THAT’S_ where I knew her from. (Yeah, I guess I could have just IMDB’ed her.) ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/53 "2009-09-25T05:56:32Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Was it spinning when T-Bag (I’ll never remember his new name) was holding it? I’m thinking it might be a power detector that shows what someone can do. Since Peter is an empath, it spins wildly because he can do everything. A compass that just shows if someone has a power isn’t very useful. Whilst I’m not disagreeing, because I wondered something along these lines too, I struggled to think of many situations where this would be astonishingly useful either. In most cases it would simply be confirming something the wielder was already well aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/54 "2009-09-25T12:15:13Z")
So what’re the odds that Mohinder will end up working for T-Bag & The Carnies, then end up regretting it, angsting over it, and switching sides? Or that the Petrellis will have family issues that end up with one or more becoming crazy villains, until they do an about face near the finale to help stop the real villain, and in the process realizing the importance of Family? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/55 "2009-09-25T14:43:36Z")
> [@Windwalker](#): > > So what’re the odds that Mohinder will end up working for T-Bag & The Carnies, then end up regretting it, angsting over it, and switching sides? I’d don’t think so, the carnies don’t seem to have a funding source or lab facilities. He may sell himself out for his work, constantly, but there has to be a qualified buyer. > [@](#): > > Or that the Petrellis will have family issues that end up with one or more becoming crazy villains, until they do an about face near the finale to help stop the real villain, and in the process realizing the importance of Family? Well, there’s no Nathan to manipulate this year (da dah DUHN!) so maybe not. Maybe Angela will grow a conscience? Naw. Hey, I noticed that in the carny office the blackboard maintenance roster listed dates like 11/24/09 and 11/??/09. What’s our time line now? Our guys are still in whatever date would result in a 1 yr baby 4 years after Janice being pregnant and the carnies are now? ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/56 "2009-09-25T14:56:44Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > I’d don’t think so, the carnies don’t seem to have a funding source or lab facilities. He may sell himself out for his work, constantly, but there has to be a qualified buyer. He should go work for Angela. She could use some science help and I’m sure she can provide both the shiny lab equipment AND the source of condescension that he’s used to and that he really needs in order to shine. She’d probably even throw in a free microscope for him to hit people with. > [@Annie](#): > > Hey, I noticed that in the carny office the blackboard maintenance roster listed dates like 11/24/09 and 11/??/09. What’s our time line now? Our guys are still in whatever date would result in a 1 yr baby 4 years after Janice being pregnant and the carnies are now? Oh Thanks! I was having the lamest argument ever with someone about what year they were living in. I see my suggestion that our ‘now’ is always sort of their ‘now’ regardless of how little sense that makes is accurate. Comics and soap opera always quietly ignore this problem too. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/57 "2009-09-25T18:07:22Z")
> [@Promethea](#): > > Oh Thanks! I was having the lamest argument ever with someone about what year they were living in. I see my suggestion that our ‘now’ is always sort of their ‘now’ regardless of how little sense that makes is accurate. Comics and soap opera always quietly ignore this problem too. I think they’re subscribing to this particular trope. Is there a name for it? I’d check out TVtropes, but I don’t have six hours to get sucked into that site. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/58 "2009-09-25T18:34:41Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I think they’re subscribing to this particular trope. Is there a name for it? I’d check out TVtropes, but I don’t have six hours to get sucked into that site. I risked getting sucked into their vortex to find you are indeed right - [Comic Book Time!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicBookTime) ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/59 "2009-09-26T06:22:23Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Ah well, at least I broke the habit of watching Lost. Your loss. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-s4-redemption-five-years-gone-yet/510946/60 "2009-09-26T15:45:02Z")
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