# He's Back...\[George Zimmerman Arrested Again\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 18, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201 "2013-11-18T20:51:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/121 "2013-11-26T16:58:35Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > If they can make any inferences they want to make, regardless of what the evidence actually supports, then it’s stupid to say the law is why Zimmerman was acquitted. It’s more accurate to assign responsibility to the jury’s imagination and willingness to swallow bs, no matter how wrong and silly it is. > > “Making such leaps of inference” is a load. The juror faulted Martin for defending himself against the man who confronted him. Never mind the fact that Zimmerman denied confronting the kid, so it wasn’t even that she afforded him any credence in this part of the story. The “leap of inference” made was that Martin was in the wrong because he didn’t run away, and this “wrongness” enabled Zimmerman to shoot him dead. > > You may consider such thinking fine and dandy. But let’s not pretend the law is why such crazy notions exists. During the pendency of Zimmerman’s trial for second-degree murder, you repeatedly offered analyses and predictions about how the jury would view the evidence, what instructions the law would allow the jury to hear, and what the results would likely be. You even invoked your supposed expertise as a vet during one exchange about Zimmerman’s head injury: > [@Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/151): > > No it doesn’t. The rationale for dressing closed wounds is the same regardless of closure method. I can say this confidently as a vet. > > > [@BottledBlondeJeanie](#): > > > > If that picture is accurate, I think using “glue” would be prudent just to stop the bleeding. > > If Zimmerman had a gash on his head incurred from the ground or sidewalk, it would be pretty contaminated with dirt and other debris, even if it was washed as thoroughly as can be in the back of a police care. Closure is usually contradicated for dirty wounds because of the risk of infection. Only to be rebutted with a series of citations: > [@Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/168): > > Well now I’m officially disagreeing with you, but you’re probably right to the extent use of cyanoacrylates with animals given the fur and cleanliness issues. > > Here’s a 2002 report from the Emergency Medicine Journal indicating no additional dressing is needed unless it’s likely to be picked at, for instance by a very young child. > > Here’s an article quoting a New England Journal of Medicine article indicating that cyanoacrylates act as its own dressing. Singer, A.J., Hollander, J.E., & Quinn, J.V. (1997). Evaluation and management of traumatic lacerations. The New England Journal of Medicine, 33, 1142-1148. > > Here’s an article from a wound care journal for nurses indicating cyanoacrylate dressings are more useful since gauze and bandaging are not required: [Abstract: Evaluation of a Cyanoacrylate Dressing to Treat Skin Tears in the Acute Care Population (2010 WOCN/WCET Joint Conference (June 12-16, 2010))](http://wocn.confex.com/wocn/2010am/webprogram/Paper5015.html) > > Last, but, not least, here’s a portion of a Google book, Biomaterials for Clinical Applications indicating no other dressing is needed (if link doesn’t work, it’s at p. 229): [Biomaterials for Clinical Applications - Sujata K. Bhatia - Google Books](http://books.google.com/books?id=bXtaX468LRYC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=use+dressing+on+scalp+lacerations+cyanoacrylate&source=bl&ots=kBii0nEL6T&sig=uYHxFoLAuGyx5VdSaPVv0Bam-hE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s5aRT8iKPKm62wXCiYXnBA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg) At which point you admitted there was a small chance you might have been mistaken, and then quickly changed the subject. It’s quite astonishing to me that after that extensively flawed track record, you now feel confident to again enter the discussion with your opinion about the factual application of the law to the case at hand. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/122 "2013-12-10T03:32:29Z")
Case closed? Girlfriend wants the case dropped: “He never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner.” “I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him,” she says. > **[George Zimmerman's girlfriend wants case dropped, document says | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/)** > > George Zimmerman’s girlfriend is asking a judge to lift an order that blocks her from seeing him and says she doesn’t want charges filed against him. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/123 "2013-12-10T09:27:57Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Girlfriend wants the case dropped: “He never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner.” > > “I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him,” she says. “Is he there in the room with you? Just stay calm and keep talking on the phone. We’re dispatching a SWAT team.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/124 "2013-12-10T20:38:25Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Case closed? > Girlfriend wants the case dropped: “He never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner.” > > “I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him,” she says. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/](http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/) The last prosecutor who tried GZ didn’t have much of a case either but that didn’t stop the prosecution (or MSNBC/CNN/ABC) of trying to make the charge stick. The only witness to the latest charge doesn’t want to testify. There is no “case” to present to a jury. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/125 "2013-12-10T20:42:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > “Is he there in the room with you? Just stay calm and keep talking on the phone. We’re dispatching a SWAT team.” Hehehehe. That made me laugh out loud. Good one. Now people are looking at me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/126 "2013-12-10T21:11:57Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Case closed? > Girlfriend wants the case dropped: “He never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner.” > > “I am not afraid of George in any manner and I want to be with him,” she says. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/](http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justice/george-zimmerman-girlfriend/) Understandable mistake. I can’t count the number of times I’ve shattered a glass table with a shotgun in a calm, non-threatening manner and then tried to barricade the door when the police responded to my wife’s frantic 911 call. Around my house, we call that “Sunday.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/127 "2013-12-10T22:27:59Z")
It’s Very typical in domestic disturbance cases. Cops show up while they are fighting. Haul someone off to jail. Then the spouse decides they don’t want to press charges. Sometimes its the lady freaking out and trashing the house. Other times its the guy. domestic cases are a PITA for cops. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/128 "2013-12-11T15:21:17Z")
Her current statement will make a prosecution very difficult. The strongest evidence for the violence is her claim – which she now recants. If she does another about-face and avers it happened, the jury will certainly be asked to consider her recantation as evidence of her lack of credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/129 "2013-12-11T15:38:53Z")
I expect the “barricaded in the house with a shotgun” part will have resulted in some additional evidence (assuming it happened). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/130 "2013-12-11T16:00:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I expect the “barricaded in the house with a shotgun” part will have resulted in some additional evidence (assuming it happened). Not so far as I can see – he was charged with felony aggravated assault, misdemeanor battery and misdemeanor criminal mischief, all of which arose from the claims that he broke the table and threatened the girlfriend with a firearm. I’m not aware of any charges arising from being “barricaded in the house with a shotgun.” According to his version, she broke the table and fabricated the threat, an account she now largely accepts. What other evidence are you thinking of? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/131 "2013-12-11T16:07:30Z")
AIUI the police had arrived by that time. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/132 "2013-12-11T16:10:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > AIUI the police had arrived by that time. So what crime, or evidence of a crime, did they witness? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/133 "2013-12-11T16:52:12Z")
Criminal mischief. Maybe. As I said, I have no real reason to believe this incident ever actually happened. I also don’t know who owned the stuff in the house; obviously he can’t be guilty of criminal mischief if it was his own shit. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/134 "2013-12-11T17:10:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s Very typical in domestic disturbance cases. Cops show up while they are fighting. Haul someone off to jail. Then the spouse decides they don’t want to press charges. > > Sometimes its the lady freaking out and trashing the house. Other times its the guy. domestic cases are a PITA for cops. And a PITA for prosecutors… Although prosecutors can move ahead without the cooperation of the victim, it makes it difficult to convict if there is no physical evidence of injuries, he said. “Juries really want to see the alleged victim on the stand talking about the case,” McChesney said. “It’s very hard to convict in a case when the victim isn’t there.” However, in Zimmerman’s case, Scheibe provided a **real-time account** of what was happening on a 911 call. “You point your gun at my fricking face,” Samantha Scheibe is heard telling Zimmerman on the 911 call. “Get out of my house. Do not push me out of my house. Please get out of my house.” Seconds later, she told the dispatcher, “You kidding me? He pushed me out of my house and locked me out. … He knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game.” [http://news.yahoo.com/girlfriend-wants-charges-dropped-against-zimmerman-223502391.html](http://news.yahoo.com/girlfriend-wants-charges-dropped-against-zimmerman-223502391.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/135 "2013-12-11T17:21:35Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > And a PITA for prosecutors… > Although prosecutors can move ahead without the cooperation of the victim, it makes it difficult to convict if there is no physical evidence of injuries, he said. > > “Juries really want to see the alleged victim on the stand talking about the case,” McChesney said. “It’s very hard to convict in a case when the victim isn’t there.” > > However, in Zimmerman’s case, Scheibe provided a **real-time account** of what was happening on a 911 call. > > “You point your gun at my fricking face,” Samantha Scheibe is heard telling Zimmerman on the 911 call. “Get out of my house. Do not push me out of my house. Please get out of my house.” > > Seconds later, she told the dispatcher, “You kidding me? He pushed me out of my house and locked me out. … He knows how to do this. He knows how to play this game.” > > [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/girlfriend-wants-charges-dropped-against-zimmerman-223502391.html) Yes, and that real-time account is almost certainly admissible against Zimmerman, regardless of how Scheibe ultimately testifies. So it’s not correct to say they have no evidence – and of course I didn’t say that. But if Scheibe takes the stand and says, “Yes, that was what I said on the tape, but I said those thing because I was furious with him, not because they were true,” I believe any jury would have difficulty convicting him. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/136 "2013-12-11T17:30:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The strongest evidence for the violence is her claim – which she now recants. Are there any legal consequences for that? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/137 "2013-12-11T17:34:49Z")
She could be charged with filing a false police report or misuse of emergency services but they’d have to prove BARD that it wasn’t true. She can’t be charged with anything for recanting her assertions against Zimmerman, no. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/138 "2013-12-11T17:38:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > She could be charged with filing a false police report or misuse of emergency services but they’d have to prove BARD that it wasn’t true. That’s what I was wondering, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/139 "2013-12-11T19:02:00Z")
I can’t be the only one who keeps reading “Scheibe” as “Scheiße,” can I? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201/140 "2013-12-11T21:33:40Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I can’t be the only one who keeps reading “Scheibe” as “Scheiße,” can I? Nope. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-back-george-zimmerman-arrested-again/674201.md?page=8)