# He's MAD, I TELL YOU! And he's creating a race of Cow-Human Zombies to destroy us all **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 1, 2004, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590 "2004-09-01T15:43:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/1 "2004-09-01T15:43:21Z")
And I wasn’t kidding in the thread title, because [HERE IS THE LINK](http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996338) to a news story from _New Scientist_ magazine to prove it. This guy is trying to clone dead people, using human DNA, & cow ovums. YOINKS! JINKIES! :eek: :eek: :eek: > [@](#): > > Home…I haff no home. Hanted - despised - liffing like an ahnimal - the jungle iss my home! But I vill show der vorld dot I can be its master. I vill perfect my own rice of pipple - a rice of atomic supermen vhich vill conquer der Vorld! ~~~ **Dr. Eric Vornoff** I wonder if he’d like to buy a Used 1920’s Style Death Ray. Nah. He’s probably got one of his own. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/2 "2004-09-01T15:59:05Z")
I saw this movie. DeNiro really phoned it in. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/3 "2004-09-01T15:59:15Z")
Read the link. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/4 "2004-09-01T16:06:07Z")
Admit it – you too thought of “The Far Side” when you saw this thread title! 😃 Following the advice of my friend Cordwainer Smith, I withhold comment on the story in the OP. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/5 "2004-09-01T16:11:29Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Read the link. I did. “Viable embryos have been created from dead people by […] a controversial fertility scientist […] ‘This man preys on the strong desires of the most vulnerable people in society - giving them false hopes,’ says Robin Lovell-Badge.” Sounds even more like a recent [B-grade movie](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335121/) than _The Island of Dr. Moreau_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/6 "2004-09-01T16:15:49Z")
How is this different from cloning of the more garden variety, in which the cell donor happens not to have died yet? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/7 "2004-09-01T16:29:04Z")
It’s harder to exploit living donors to fund your research. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by [telegraph.co.uk](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/01/wclon01.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/01/ixworld.html): > > The maverick fertility scientist Panos Zavos yesterday admitted that he had taken money from the parents of a dead infant and of an 11-year-old girl in order to carry out cloning experiments on their remains. […] > > One set of “donor” cells came from an 11-year-old girl killed in a car crash. Another came from an 18-month-old boy who died after surgery, and the third was a man of 33 thought to have died in a road accident. > > In each case, bereaved relatives contacted Dr Zavos at the Centre For Reproductive Medicine in Lexington, Kentucky. […] > > Dr Simon Fishel, the managing director of the Centres for Assisted Reproduction (Care) group of fertility clinics, said he raised false hopes for vulnerable people. […] > > “This must be the first time I’ve heard of a scientist receiving donated tissue for research and the donor paying. If this was justifiable research it would be paid by funding bodies. If this is a valid research project, why is he using corpses?” ---
**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/8 "2004-09-01T18:05:01Z")
Well, I, for one will be more than glad to welcome our New Cow-Human Zombie Overlords. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/9 "2004-09-01T18:11:17Z")
> [@](#): > > If this was justifiable research it would be paid by funding bodies. Leaving aside the “funding bodies” jokes and there are several, what kind of a bogus argument is this? The research is illegitimate because he can’t get a grant for it? Since when does “ability to fundraise” equal “scientifically valid”? All you scientists in the US who want to work on stem cell lines other than the, what, 11 that Bush allows, hate to break it to you but your research is unjustifiable because you can’t get funding for it in the US. :::climbs down off soapbox::: All that being said, the guy is still kind of creepy and we now return you to your regularly scheduled joke thread. ---
**Author:** ![Standup\_Karmic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac91a4/32.png) [@Standup\_Karmic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Standup_Karmic)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/10 "2004-09-01T18:26:46Z")
> [@swampbear](#): > > Well, I, for one will be more than glad to welcome our New Cow-Human Zombie Overlords. They may already be here. I think I was dating one of them not so long ago. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/11 "2004-09-01T20:17:44Z")
I fail to see how using cadaver tissue makes it invalid research. **Verrain** is happy to explain the work of The Wistar Institute and medical research in general with me. IIRC severl important cancer cell lines were taken from cadavers. Alloderm was certainly developed through research with cadaver tissue, considering the fact the product is made from cadaver tissue. Of course, since I can’t get the link to work, there’s the possibility that the man means corpses which have been dead so long that no viable cells could be extracted. This would be an entirely different matter. I believe Smith would remind us that Animals are beneath us. But that even the Lords of the Instrumentality are pleased to render honor to the Scanners. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/12 "2004-09-01T20:31:04Z")
Eat mor chikin! ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/13 "2004-09-01T20:56:13Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Admit it – you too thought of “The Far Side” when you saw this thread title! 😃 No, I thought of the illegitimate love child of **harmless** and **PussyCow**. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@The\_Asbestos\_Mango](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Asbestos_Mango)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/14 "2004-09-01T21:05:49Z")
So, has **astro** started making plans to raise his mutant army yet? "Cause it looks like we’re going to be needed to overthrow our evil Cow Zombie opressors. Of course, being the cook, I will be serving in a non-combat capacity. Hmm. I’ll have to take some survivalist cookbooks along. I’ll be needing recipies so I can properly cook the Cow Zombies the soldiers bring back from patrol. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/15 "2004-09-01T22:00:50Z")
The link no work for me ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/16 "2004-09-01T22:21:16Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > The link no work for me ☹ Odd. Worked this AM. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/17 "2004-09-01T22:25:11Z")
AH! The Experiment _continues_! > **[Cloning experiment condemned](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/sep/01/sciencenews.health)** > > A cloning scientist yesterday rejected accusations that his work was exploitative, unsafe and socially unacceptable. [http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1024712004](http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=1024712004) [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3614256.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3614256.stm) [http://news.com.au/common/story\_page/0,4057,10613578%5E401,00.html](http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10613578%255E401,00.html) [http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story\_page/0,5936,10622819%5E912,00.html](http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,10622819%255E912,00.html) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/18 "2004-09-02T01:41:49Z")
> [@swampbear](#): > > Well, I, for one will be more than glad to welcome our New Cow-Human Zombie Overlords. We prefer the term “Necro-Andro-Bovine Supervisors.” Get it right, minion, or it’s the sausage grinder for you. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/19 "2004-09-02T05:25:49Z")
Soylent Green is peeee-pulllll…Uh, I mean…bohhhh-vines! So is it okay to eat them, then? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2004, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590/20 "2004-09-02T12:00:49Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Soylent Green is peeee-pulllll…Uh, I mean…bohhhh-vines! > > So is it okay to eat them, then? No. Cow-Human Zombie Hybrids are high in Trans-Fatty Acids & cholesterol. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-mad-i-tell-you-and-hes-creating-a-race-of-cow-human-zombies-to-destroy-us-all/262590.md?page=2)