# he's not allowed to be proud that he's straight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2001, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310 "2001-05-04T03:51:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/81 "2001-05-05T00:48:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by YWalker \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > > So you favor suspending kids for feeling superior (in a jerky way) ? > > > > Would you say the same thing to a kid wearing the atheist shirt I linked to above? I’m guessing (check out the slogans of the shirts) that he feels it is a BAD thing to believe in God, and that he is therefore “superior.” > > > > And no, I would not assume that the principal would suspend a student for wearing a gay pride shirt. (nor do I think the principal should do so…) > > \*\* > > Uh, no, I never said anything about suspending anyone. I have no idea whether the kid got suspended or not. I said that I assumed that the principal would “refuse to allow” a Gay Pride shirt on similar grounds. Presumably if either kid didn’t listen to this message, suspension might be the result. I live in a naive little world where I just assumed that the kids would follow the principal’s directives, and consequences didn’t enter my head. You’re right, there was no suspending mentioned in the OP (although other posters wanted to do so) Mea culpa 🙂 I still see no support for thinking that the principal in this case would ban wearing “gay pride” t-shirts in that school. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > > > [@](#): > > > > But what of all the people who cry that there is no “Safe Zone” for straight kids, or whatever? > > umm who are all these people crying this…at least in this thread? > \*\* Well, the OP mentioned it [in a subsequent post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1298536#post1298536): > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cessandra \* > \*\*\ > as for the safe zones, it’s a fucking school. they are there to learn, not to chat about their boyfriends. and does the school offer any kind of help to heterosexual kids who might be having problems? believe it or not, there are lots of straight kids in this country, and most of them are having sex when they don’t know jack shit about it. i consider that to be a much bigger problem, as the straight kids are probably going to bring more stupid kids into this world. is the school setting up classrooms to talk to and advise them? \ > \*\* The issue is also alluded to [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1299046#post1299046), [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1299183#post1299183), [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1299234#post1299234)… and I’m getting tired of pasting references. \*\* [/QUOTE] Well, as far as I can tell from your links, no one is “crying” to create a “straight” Safe Zone…probably because, as you pointed out, there is no need for one…although other posters have mentioned a need for OTHER kinds of services for all kids. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/82 "2001-05-05T01:13:18Z")
I think he should wear the shirt. I’m all for saying what you think without punishment. It should have been neon green with flashing lights. You should be to able see this asshole from a mile away. Someone wants to wear a “White Pride” tee-shirt to the track meet? By all means. I will make my inferences and treat you accordingly. The principal is within his rights to do what he thought was neccessary to run his school with a minimum of trouble. If his intent was to defuse the situation, then he made the wrong choice. Freedom of speech is cool. You get to say what you feel and I get to say what I think about it. ---
**Author:** ![kellibelli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@kellibelli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellibelli)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/83 "2001-05-05T01:24:04Z")
I haven’t waded through the whole thread yet, but a major question springs to mind: Is your shift key broken? Are you protesting capitilization? ---
**Author:** ![flesh99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@flesh99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flesh99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/84 "2001-05-05T03:48:58Z")
I first would like to attack this ananlogy, the kkk is not the opposite of black pride, nor is being a national socialst (a registered political party in the us) the opposite of being a jew, use your head before you post. A Black Panthers chapter would be answered by the kkk. There have been a lot of posts in this thread relating any anglo-saxon/straight/christian pride to hatered. While some groups in that group promote hate, most do not. Why don’t talk about the Nation of Islam as well? They give the same kind of bad name to black pride as the Christian Brotherhood gives to anyone who says they are proud to be white. This kid, asonine as he may be, is in the right. My brother had a bumper sticker on his car for a while that read “Heterosexual, Thank You” this was his answer to the little pink triangles and rainbow stickers the gay community like to flaunt. He caught a lot of flack for it but had a point: “If they can advertise, why can’t I?” I personally seeno reason for a school o counselingany children gay/straight/bi on relationships, i would like to see a list of the teacher’s credentials that are doing this, have they had any training in counseling? I see a lot of “safe zones are a good thing” posts, and it seems none of you have thought of the damage that could be done by an un-qualified counselour. The school exists to teach, not counsel, and there are many programs out there that offer free counseling. Let’s talk about the “pride” movement for a minute. In this thread it has been said that this movement (for minorities) is to boost confidence. This is bullshit, you cannot afford to boost confidence based on race, this breeds hate and xenophobia. It is just as stupid for a gay person to be “proud” to be gay is it is for me to be “proud” to be white. If you want a level playing feild then it means level for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/85 "2001-05-05T04:21:50Z")
OK, as far as the whole Jewish club/Nazi party thing, yeah, that was an extreme argument. But **Sauron** himself admitted that I’d understood his thought correctly. The use of the analogy was not a deliberate misinterpretation of **Sauron** ’s thought, which, as I understand it, is the thrust of the argument in a thread [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1271078#post1271078). But this is a tangent, so this is the last I will say on this subject in this thread. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by flesh99_ > **It is just as stupid for a gay person to be “proud” to be gay is it is for me to be “proud” to be white. If you want a level playing feild then it means level for everyone.** That’s the whole _problem_, isn’t it? The playing field has been far from level for everyone for a very long time. And the sides promoting bigotry and hatred were formed as a _reaction_ to the equality movements. When was the KKK formed? In 1866, after the liberation of the slaves. “White Pride” wasn’t necessary before then because Blacks weren’t viewed as equal. Same thing for “Straight Pride” - in all the books I’ve read on gay and lesbian history and the equality movements, I’ve never read of the existence of Straight Pride before events like Stonewall. Why? Because prior to that, the people who felt themselves in the morally/racially superior position didn’t have their superiority openly challenged. Blacks were enslaved, homosexuals were jailed even for sending open discussions of their lifestyle through the mail. Nobody challenged the intolerance. Now things are different. The whole superiority thing has been openly challenged and is crumbling. The only way to reassert their superiority for those who still feel they are superior is through the open expression of bigotry and hatred. Gay Pride says “we gays and lesbians are equal to the rest of humanity”. Straight Pride says “No, you are not.” As such, Straight Pride is hate speech and has no business being expressed in an educational institution of any sort. Although I agree with the poster that dealing with the matter should have been in the hands of the students themselves, rather than handled by the administration alone. And to the poster who questioned the counseling credentials of the school faculty - hey, at least they’re making an effort. If you think they can’t do the job, why not get involved yourself and help build a better program? ---
**Author:** ![HomeSlice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9d8465/32.png) [@HomeSlice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HomeSlice)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/86 "2001-05-05T05:09:21Z")
Wait, i do not get it. It is not okay to have “white pride” because you don’t choose to be white. But yet it is applauded if you have “black pride” or “gay pride.” Is being black and gay a choice now? ---
**Author:** ![Pariah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/41988e/32.png) [@Pariah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pariah)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/87 "2001-05-05T06:01:49Z")
That would be an odd choice… "I’ve decided, starting now, I will be black and gay. And _taller,_ too…" ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/88 "2001-05-05T07:44:38Z")
I think this discussion has bifurcated into two separate topics, so for the sake of clarity, let me sum up. The first topic is Elliot Chambers, and his right to wear a Straight Pride hoodie. Personally, I agree with the OP that the administration’s reaction was heavy-handed. I do believe that people have the right to express themselves, however much I disagree with their views. However, the principal was within his authority to ban it. The second aspect of the discussion that has arisen is the establishment of “safe zones” within the high school There’s been a lot of conjecture as to the nature of these safe zones, so I thought I’d clarify with a quote from the article referred to in the OP. > [@](#): > > Here’s the catch to the story. Woodbury High School has what’s called “safe zones” where 48 to 50 teachers have volunteered to allow their classrooms to display a large poster with an inverted pink triangle (the universal symbol for “gay pride”) with the words “safe zone” on them. In these classrooms “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender” students can express their sexual preferences without harassment, retaliation, ridicule etc. These "safe zones’ also display the following advertisement: > > WOODBURY HIGH SCHOOL SAFE STAFF TEAM Listed below are some staff who have information about a safe and respectful environment for gay, lesbian, and bisexual, staff, and families. Confidentiality respected." (The ad then goes on to list all 48-50-classroom numbers and faculty members’ names.) **This is clearly recruitment into the gay and lesbian lifestyle.** (Bolding mine. Thanks, I thought it was quite clever, too.) Then I thought I’d point out the source of this information. It’s from the American Family Association, from a section on their website entitled “The Homosexual Agenda”. It’s a nice little site, full of what the OP referred to as right-wing propaganda. Hate made up to sound like love. Nothing new. But even this site describes these safe zones as a place where \*\*“gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender” students can express their sexual preferences without harassment, retaliation, ridicule etc. \*\* So, to those opposed to the safe zones, let me ask; what kind of kid deserves harassment, retaliation and ridicule? Perhaps you think that if you harass someone enough, they’ll start to think that it makes sense to hate themselves for what they are? Maybe if a child is exposed to enough retaliation for being different, he’ll become more like the intolerant bullies that pick on him? Do you think ridiculing someone will make them listen to your arguments against something they had no choice in to begin with? Are these the tactics of a god of love? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/89 "2001-05-05T07:45:46Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **HomeSlice** _ > > It is not okay to have “white pride” because you don’t choose to be white. But yet it is applauded if you have “black pride” or “gay pride.” It is not okay to have “white pride” when the only reason you have it is to put yourself up as the superior to anyone who is not white; same for “straight pride,” which seems fairly clear in the instance of the OP from the little twit’s quoted statements. He wasn’t proud of the way he turned out, he wanted to make a statement against the safe zones in the school - that, IMHO, isn’t pride, it’s arrogance. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Amedeus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Amedeus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amedeus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/90 "2001-05-05T08:21:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\ ***Amadeus** : > > > [@](#): > > > > Every day is not straight pride day > > > [@](#): > > > > Its to be assumed that every person is straight > > Think about what you’re saying. \*\* ok, ok let me think this through, because either I am comming at this at a wrong angle or I am really tired… Just being straight does not mean that a person Is **PROUD** to be straight, or that every day is some sort of straight pride day. We are not harrassed, not all of us are proud to be what we are, etc. What I am getting at is that there is no such Straight pride day, not one day out of the year is SPD, nor is EVERY day. We don’t have parades, or parties every single day in celebration of being straight, we just are. Where as the Gay community has a celebration every year (im guessing) in lieu of not so much being proud of thier gayness, but of surviving yet another year of harrassment, belittlement, and misunderstanding. Straights do not have this, there is no parties, no formal recognition, nothing, nada, therefore it does not exist. People having their pride day does not bother me, what pisses me off is when they try to say that we have pride day every day. Bullshit. (not that I want it, I just don’t like to be accused of shit I don’t do) like the Mom that says [on mothers day] well every day is Son day. Fuck that too, no, everyday is not son day, if so, I would get a fucking present every day, and get breakfast in bed, not have to work, have every wish bestowed upon me, etc. This is a pet peeve of mine, and the only reason I spoke up. Well gotta go, today is my day of the week to get the party hats and cake. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/91 "2001-05-05T12:57:34Z")
I attended a high school where some teachers also displayed “Safe Zone” stickers on their doors, and have seen them at other schools in various parts of the country. Note that I say _stickers_. These things are smaller than postcards. I suppose it’s possible that the high school mentioned in the OP really has large Safe Zone posters, but I doubt it. The Safe Zone stickers are not meant to indicate “Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras inside!” They are simply meant to let students know that this particular teacher or faculty member is willing to talk to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered students about their particular problems without condemning them for their sexual orientation. This is something that these students cannot take for granted from other staff members, not even school counselors. Quite a few gay teenagers have stories about trying to come out to an adult they thought would be sympathetic, only to be met with shock and horror. I _wish_ that the Safe Zone project were unneccesary, but it is not. This is not an equivelant issue to Captain Dickhead and his “Straight Pride” shirt. Perhaps if students or faculty members at this school had been wearing “Gay Pride” shirts I could see where Captain Dickhead was coming from, although I’d still think he was a moron. But a sticker indicating that the faculty member inside will not be subjecting gay students to fire and brimstone sermons is not anywhere near being an expression of gay pride. I would be willing to bet that no student at that school ever wore a “Gay Pride” shirt. In all my years in the public school system, including several at an alternative school that may be the most gay-friendly high school outside the Harvey Milk High School, I never saw a single “Gay Pride” shirt on anyone. It’s hard enough for a gay high school student to be out at all; few have the nerve to advertise their sexual orientation in huge letters across their chests. And with good reason. A kid with a “Gay Pride” shirt might as well be wearing a shirt that says “Please beat and mock me!” Again, I _wish_ that this were not true, but it is. ---
**Author:** ![flesh99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@flesh99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flesh99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/92 "2001-05-05T16:46:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Olentzero \* > \*\*(snip)Why? Because prior to that, the people who felt themselves in the morally/racially superior position didn’t have their superiority openly challenged. Blacks were enslaved, homosexuals were jailed even for sending open discussions of their lifestyle through the mail. Nobody challenged the intolerance. > > Now things are different. The whole superiority thing has been openly challenged and is crumbling. The only way to reassert their superiority for those who still feel they are superior is through the open expression of bigotry and hatred. Gay Pride says “we gays and lesbians are equal to the rest of humanity”. Straight Pride says “No, you are not.” > > As such, Straight Pride is hate speech and has no business being expressed in an educational institution of any sort. Although I agree with the poster that dealing with the matter should have been in the hands of the students themselves, rather than handled by the administration alone. > > \*\* I think not, I think that any pride movement is a bigotted movement, and bigotry breeds bigotry. If tolerance is against a students views, and tolerance is being taught then the student has a right to portest. In this country we have the right to hate, as long as we do not harm anyone. Hate in and of itself is wrong in my opinion, but this kid was just expressing himself in an evironment that he feels is slighting him for being straight. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/93 "2001-05-05T17:24:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flesh99 \* > \*\*Hate in and of itself is wrong in my opinion, but this kid was just expressing himself in an evironment that he feels is slighting him for being straight. \*\* Then the kid is sadly deluded. Why should the presence of safe zones, where gay students can take refuge from such common occurrences as hearing “gay” “queer” and “faggot” used in a derogatory manner, upset him? Would he be crushed if he couldn’t insult someone in this fashion? Does he feel that, in the absence of such insults, the homosexual population of the school will finally get up the nerve to redecorate the cafeteria? I often wonder if people with this sort of attitude have any idea how pathetic they seem in their attempts to feel morally superior to a group of people who pose them no threat whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/94 "2001-05-05T19:17:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lamia \* > \*\*I attended a high school where some teachers also displayed “Safe Zone” stickers on their doors, and have seen them at other schools in various parts of the country. Note that I say _stickers_. These things are smaller than postcards. I suppose it’s possible that the high school mentioned in the OP really has large Safe Zone posters, but I doubt it. > > The Safe Zone stickers are not meant to indicate “Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras inside!” They are simply meant to let students know that this particular teacher or faculty member is willing to talk to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered students about their particular problems without condemning them for their sexual orientation. This is something that these students cannot take for granted from other staff members, not even school counselors. Quite a few gay teenagers have stories about trying to come out to an adult they thought would be sympathetic, only to be met with shock and horror. I _wish_ that the Safe Zone project were unneccesary, but it is not. > > This is not an equivelant issue to Captain Dickhead and his “Straight Pride” shirt. Perhaps if students or faculty members at this school had been wearing “Gay Pride” shirts I could see where Captain Dickhead was coming from, although I’d still think he was a moron. But a sticker indicating that the faculty member inside will not be subjecting gay students to fire and brimstone sermons is not anywhere near being an expression of gay pride.\*\* My concern isn’t with Captian Dickhead (great name for thi punk, btw). It’s also not with the concept of identifying people with whom g/l/b/t students can be assured of non-judgementalism, especially given the sobering statistics about g/l/b/t teen suicide. I have a very narrow, specific concern and that’s that the pink triangle is an accepted symbol of a political/social movement the same way the clenched black fist in a white circle is a black power symbol, a red hammer and sickle on a white field is for Communists, and a turtle with elephants on it’s back holding up a disk is for Pratchettarians 🙂 . It’s a movement that in many ways I agree with and it’s not necessarily the specific symbol of an organized movement. But various “Gay Pride” and “Pro Gay” groups use the Pink Triangle as a primary or secondary symbol. And it _does_ have political implications. As such, putting up this symbol in congjuction with the “safe zone” is a political statement. Again, _it’s one that I agree with_ in this context, but… I absolutely **do not** approve of allowing one political statement in the school without granting equal access to **all** of them. Yes, this would have to include the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Nation of Islam, Marxists for Ayn Rand 😉 and all the others. I realize that this would reduce the school to chaos. I think the only way to handle this situation would have been to remove the pink triangle logo. Perhaps put up a sign that says “Tolerance Zone” or “Understanding Zone”. That wouldn’t have the political implications that the Pink Triangle Safe-Zones would have but would still convey the same message. All this said, I doubt that this would address Capt’n Dickhead’s concerns, but short of ‘roundin’ up the fags’, I doubt that Capt’n Dickhead could be mollified. It would, however make me much more comfortable and would be a much less charged argument. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/95 "2001-05-05T19:18:41Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by flesh99 \* \*\* > [@](#): > > If tolerance is against a students views, and tolerance is being taught then the student has a right to portest. In this country we have the right to hate, as long as we do not harm anyone.\*\* I don’t know who said it first in this thread, but s/he said it best: Fuck you. Just fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/96 "2001-05-05T19:34:45Z")
Who wants to bet flesh99 IS Captain Dickhead? ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/97 "2001-05-05T19:56:16Z")
Maybe not _the_ Captain Dickhead, but _a_ Captain Dickhead is a bet I’d place a couple bucks on. ---
**Author:** ![flesh99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@flesh99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flesh99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/98 "2001-05-05T20:25:48Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Olentzero \* \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flesh99 \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > If tolerance is against a students views, and tolerance is being taught then the student has a right to portest. In this country we have the right to hate, as long as we do not harm anyone.\*\* > > I don’t know who said it first in this thread, but s/he said it best: > > Fuck you. Just fuck you. \*\* Why the “fuck you”? can you not come up with a logical debate for the rights we have in this country to believe whatever we want to? ---
**Author:** ![flesh99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@flesh99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flesh99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/99 "2001-05-05T20:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Who wants to bet flesh99 IS Captain Dickhead? > \*\* Nope not cap’n dickhead, not hardly. I in fact am a very tolerant person. The apt. manager where I live is gay, and one of my best friends. I just have enough intelligence to know when someone’s rights are being violated. Simply put, it is not allright to deprive someone who is not a minority of their rights only to give those rights to a minority. You can even check out out my website to see some of my views [http://www.myevilminion.com](http://www.myevilminion.com) , I consider myself a conservative, but also know better than to degrade someone becuase their veiws do not match mine. I much prefer to debate a point rather than just go with gut feelings which both sides of this debate seem to have done. If you reverse the situtation you would all be up in arms about a gay being discriminated against, but since this dude is a W.A.S.P. anything they do to him is ok. This makes no sense, hold everyone to the same standard, or admit that you yourself are a bigot. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2001, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310/100 "2001-05-05T21:50:11Z")
What he should have done was put on a “Straight Edge” t-shirt. What, advocating clean living is offensive too? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-allowed-to-be-proud-that-hes-straight/64310.md?page=6)