# He's NOT the Messiah! ...And We Never Said He Was! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167 "2012-04-18T16:48:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/61 "2012-04-19T11:42:51Z")
[Here’s one I made earlier.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=485827) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/62 "2012-04-19T12:31:03Z")
> [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](#): > > If Obama’s the Messiah, where’s his long form Messiah certificate? …yeah, and his Messiah University transcript for his Bachelors of Messiahship ??? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/63 "2012-04-19T12:42:17Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > What happened to that trope that was common a few years back that it was unpatriotic to criticise the commander in chief? It’s still in your imagination. Also, this would be a criticism of liberals, not Obama, per se. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/64 "2012-04-19T13:01:25Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > It’s still in your imagination. [Err](http://www.newshounds.us/2009/04/03/hannity_denies_calling_bush_critics_unpatriotic.php)… Hmm… ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/65 "2012-04-19T13:04:34Z")
I’ve figured it out. Obama is a damned fine-looking, charismatic black man. A typical [del]Republic[/del]Repressed-ican secretly wants his love; he imagines the way he’d feel in Obama’s hands. Also like a typical Repressed-ican, it manifests as projection. “You worship Obama!” is ‘teh gay is evil!’ about the most charming politician in America. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/66 "2012-04-19T13:34:54Z")
> [@SDMBKL](#): > > I presume “you” in the OP means “conservative”, and “we” in the OP means “liberal”, and the conservative opinion in 2007 claims that Barack Obama is the secular messiah, preaching the words of Tom Hayden. First of all, has it ever occurred to you Straight Dopers that this is a CONSERVATIVE political OPINION website? It’s an opinion, not a fact. Second of all, the quote is from 2007. That’s five years ago. Surely you wouldn’t think that conservatives have not changed since then! Third of all, it’s one website, presumably voiced by one author who has the liberty to say what’s on his mind at that point of time. So, I say, the “Barack Obama = Messiah” thing is probably a joke. The word “Messiah” means anointed one (like Queen Elizabeth I who once said that “I am your anointed Queen.” Not that I consider Queen Lizzy to be “The Messiah”. 😛 You did notice that I was not replying directly to the OP, correct? Oh, you didn’t. I quoted the whole post the last time, I’ll repeat just the most relevant part here. > [@](#): > > What on earth are you talking about? Since when did conservatives think that “you” folks think that Obama is “The Savior”, “The Chosen One”, “The Messiah” or “The Perfect One”? Yes, it is a conservative OPINION website. Of course it is. That’s what I was looking for. Given that “Conservatives thinking liberals think Obama is the Messiah” is an OPINION, it absolutely applies. And it’s not a new phenomenon. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/67 "2012-04-19T13:51:47Z")
> [@gamerunknown](#): > > [Err](http://www.newshounds.us/2009/04/03/hannity_denies_calling_bush_critics_unpatriotic.php)… > > Hmm… No need to go so far afield: [American anti-Americanism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=177228) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/68 "2012-04-19T14:02:37Z")
How could Obama be the Messiah? He’s not even Jewish 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/69 "2012-04-19T14:38:39Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > How could Obama be the Messiah? He’s not even Jewish 😕 No, no, no. The Kenyan birthers ALMOST got it right. The Kenyan clues were a distraction to cover up the fact that he was born to a nice Jewish lady in Jerusalem before being air-hopped to Kenya and thence to Hawaii. “They” just want to throw people off the tracks that he’s Jewish, the Messiah AND the crypto-Muslim Anti-Christ. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/70 "2012-04-19T14:45:51Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > No, no, no. The Kenyan birthers ALMOST got it right. The Kenyan clues were a distraction to cover up the fact that he was born to a nice Jewish lady in Jerusalem before being air-hopped to Kenya and thence to Hawaii. > > “They” just want to throw people off the tracks that he’s Jewish, the Messiah AND the crypto-Muslim Anti-Christ. He _can’t_ be the Christ and the anti-Christ at the same time and in the same place! He’d annhilate himself, with the release of an immense amount of energy and the production of scads of particles and anti-particles! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/71 "2012-04-19T15:01:20Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > How could Obama be the Messiah? He’s not even Jewish 😕 Oh God, as if the Birthers weren’t bad enough, must we now endure the Foreskinners? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/72 "2012-04-19T15:04:18Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Oh God, as if the Birthers weren’t bad enough, must we now endure the Foreskinners? Just be wary of anyone claiming to have seen the “long form”. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/73 "2012-04-19T16:01:51Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > He’d annhilate himself, with the release of an immense amount of energy and the production of scads of particles and anti-particles! Haven’t you seen any of the anti-LHC rhetoric? All those nutters worrying about black holes and the impending destruction of Earth just got their details wrong. They’ve clearly clued into the fact that we only have until Obama reveals himself and we get a nice demonstration of a Christ/Anti-Christ annihilation. Hell, this conspiracy theory almost writes itself. We just need to add some aliens and secret CIA programs to develop AIDs. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/74 "2012-04-19T16:44:57Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > air-hopped to Kenya and thence to Hawaii. I read that as **air-popped** and got the funniest image. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/75 "2012-04-19T17:14:38Z")
After eight years of GeeDubya? Its like when you stop banging your head on the desk. It doesn’t _really_ feel that good, you’ve been banging your head. But it feels _sooo_ much better! ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/76 "2012-04-19T17:19:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A swallow that has just gotten laid has pretty much the same airspeed as another, but rather more cheerful about it. Unlaiden would seem to indicate that coital activity hasnt occurred. JMHO, but I would presume cheerful wouldnt be the mood indicated ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/77 "2012-04-19T18:34:09Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > Lastly, what is the airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow And now for the proper Monty Python/Poe’s Law combination response: Kenyan or Hawiian? Thank you, I am here all of ze week. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/78 "2012-04-19T18:42:12Z")
Don’t bet on it. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/79 "2012-04-19T19:03:37Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Huh? Seems to me that the implication is the exact **opposite** of what you suggest, especially when taken in [context](http://www.notable-quotes.com/o/obama_barack.html): > > The message of that is clearly, “It’s not about finding ‘The One’ or a political ‘Messiah’, it’s about getting off our asses and working to improve our own circumstances for **ourselves** , ordinary mortals though we be.” > > Which is not at all like the message “I’m here, now. All will be fixed.” I think it would take a fairly irrational hysterical liberalphobe to be able to genuinely confuse the two. This cogent response should have cleared up **magellan01** ’s misconception. Thank you. > [@magellan01](#): > > For you and others, try reading, you knee-jerking nitwit: I guess not. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167/80 "2012-04-19T19:42:31Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > The vast majority of conservatives view Reagan as a good president, but just a president. Actually, IME, that is not true at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hes-not-the-messiah-and-we-never-said-he-was/619167.md?page=5)