# Hetero Men: Would you prefer a traditional woman as a partner? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652 "2012-09-14T01:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/41 "2012-09-14T18:45:01Z")
Yeah, that’s a weird list, to be honest it doesn’t sound like a real person, but more like something Cliff Claven imagines women are like. I like my women to be non-fictional ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/42 "2012-09-14T18:47:43Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > The OP is using “traditional woman” as shorthand for “a woman who caters her life around me and expects nothing in return except my cock.” “In all fairness, it’s a very good cock.” ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/43 "2012-09-14T18:56:23Z")
“amibivalent” = “feels both ways” =/= “feels lukewarmly toward” ---
**Author:** ![Krouget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b38774/32.png) [@Krouget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krouget)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/44 "2012-09-14T19:06:43Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I strongly suspect that in this anonymous poll most heterosexual men would prefer a a partner that I’m not going to define much more clearly than this: > > \*she hugely prioritizes her physical beauty, even after child birth and during child rearing > \*she is your complete confidant in any matter > \*furthermore she gives you excellent advice when you ask her questions you are clueless of the answer, especially questions you see as female ones > \*she is constantly sexually attacted to you and while never pestering you for sex, is keen for it all the time > \*you can delegate any or all aspects of running your household to her, with the following caveat: > \*ultimately, she is subservient to you. That is not to say necessarily she is meek and incapable of expressing her opinion, just that if there is a conflict your word rules > > I have a theory about the answers but we’ll see if they fit it. I don’t consider most of these traditional, but I can do without some of them, while I don’t think others should be exclusive to the woman. In fact, if you remove gender from most of these, I think aspects of them would be more tolerable. In answer to the question, though, no, I don’t prefer a “traditional” woman (as described, or otherwise). Paying attention to her physical appearance is awesome, but not to the point where she becomes high maintenance. Effort involved is great, as with anything (and I certainly do this, myself), but the world shouldn’t stop because things weren’t “perfect”. We both should be able to confide within each other and the same goes for advice. I consider this basic for any real relationship. For me, sex is a good part of the relationship, so yes, except for the “keen all the time” part. Sometimes you’re just not up for it and the difference when you’re not, is apparent. In no way, shape, or form, would I ever want to delegate all aspects of running the household to her. I’m a pretty responsible person, and so I’d feel pretty ridiculous if I weren’t taking on a portion, myself. It’s not even about _her_, I just couldn’t function that way. I actually despise subservient personalities. If/when there is conflict, logic and reason should have more bearing, and if I’m wrong, I should be able to admit it and be forgiven (if it applies), moving on afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Imago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/85e7bf/32.png) [@Imago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imago)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/45 "2012-09-14T21:05:40Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Count me puzzled, as well. Do “non-traditional” women rejoice in being ugly, hate sex, avoid confiding in their parters, give bad advice (especially about girl stuff) and rule the roost with an iron fist? _stares dramatically out window and wipes single tear from eye_ Oh, how I wish I were uglier! If only I could be as yellow-toothed, flatulent and poorly dressed as the popular girls! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/46 "2012-09-14T21:13:09Z")
> [@](#): > > she is your complete confidant in any matter Not for me! I want the nontraditional babe who I avoid speaking with on any sensitive subjects, sending all my questions and concerns to advice columnists. > [@Der Trihs](#): > > I’ve no problem with a woman “pestering” me for sex Well, it makes it tough to keep up with the Traditional Man chores. About the term “Hetero Men”, does anyone else hear this sung by a Monty Python chorus? ---
**Author:** ![Imago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/85e7bf/32.png) [@Imago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imago)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/47 "2012-09-14T21:16:00Z")
Too late to edit this in but: > [@grude](#): > > Hell if my wife told me she pissed in my coffee I’d be slightly intrigued. … I’ll be in my bunk. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/48 "2012-09-14T21:22:26Z")
My main qualifiers are simple: have a generally pleasant and stable demeanor, absolutely no nagging, and being pretty enough. Seems simple enough but the first two disqualify 95% of them right off the bat. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/49 "2012-09-14T21:40:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Originally Posted by you with the face > The OP is using “traditional woman” as shorthand for “a woman who caters her life around me and expects nothing in return except my cock.” > > “In all fairness, it’s a very good cock.” The trouble comes when she starts wanting to carry it around in her handbag. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/50 "2012-09-15T00:00:47Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I think the OP was aiming for a description of a 50’s sitcom type wife - stays home and raises the kids, looks after the house and all the “woman” things, is always available to her husband, and puts him first in all things. I assumed that from the thread title too. But his list of attributes doesn’t really describe that. Not that you’re wrong about what he was aiming for. He missed it a bit though. > [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > The OP is using “traditional woman” as shorthand for “a woman who caters her life around me and expects nothing in return except my cock.” Probably what he was going for (which jibes with the '50s sitcom wife), but too chicken to actually write that. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/51 "2012-09-15T03:15:22Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > … > > \*she hugely prioritizes her physical beauty, even after child birth and during child rearing > \*she is your complete confidant in any matter > \*furthermore she gives you excellent advice when you ask her questions you are clueless of the answer, especially questions you see as female ones > \*she is constantly sexually attacted to you and while never pestering you for sex, is keen for it all the time > \*you can delegate any or all aspects of running your household to her, with the following caveat: > \*ultimately, she is subservient to you. That is not to say necessarily she is meek and incapable of expressing her opinion, just that if there is a conflict your word rules Another vote for the oddity of the list. My wife is not my equal; she is my better in many ways. ---
**Author:** ![gunnergoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gunnergoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunnergoz)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/52 "2012-09-15T04:29:02Z")
Well, I waited and looked and finally found a perfectly traditional Ukrainian woman to be my bride. She’s traditional in the sense of traditions in her country. Fortunately, that works great for me. She’s not subservient and she has definite ideas of what men and women are and what behaviors are expected for them. So I have to be able to step up to the plate in some areas too. Works fine for us. ---
**Author:** ![Jormungandr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@Jormungandr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jormungandr)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2012, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/53 "2012-09-15T11:05:55Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > So the OP is asking if hetero men want a hot, smart chick who begs them for sex, cooks & keeps the house clean, gives good advice, and knows enough to shut the fuck up when The Man has a difference of opinion with her. :rolleyes: I actually laughed out loud and for quite a while when I read this. Weird list. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/54 "2012-09-17T06:21:36Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Count me puzzled, as well. Do “non-traditional” women rejoice in being ugly, hate sex, avoid confiding in their parters, give bad advice (especially about girl stuff) and rule the roost with an iron fist? > > Hmmm. I guess I’m not a fan of non-traditional ladies either. No, but they apparently only think in excluded middle fallacies. My answer: No, I don’t look for traditional women, but, yes, I do mostly look for what you consider one, save for the subservience, which I think should go both ways. I do think most men and most women look for their traditional counterparts, however. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/55 "2012-09-17T06:42:16Z")
I voted as if that was all or nothing, so I voted against on #3 and #7. We both try give each other 100%. Not 50/50, but I get the trump. This woman sounds like some romanticized, idealized fantasy from a control freak who sounds like he’d expect dinner on the table and all the laundry folded by the time he got home. ---
**Author:** ![Airk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de053/32.png) [@Airk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airk)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/56 "2012-09-17T17:21:09Z")
I wouldn’t COMPLAIN about any of those - except the last one, which is all sorts of screwed up. I mean really, what the hell? They’re not my primary concerns, however. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/57 "2012-09-17T17:24:37Z")
Even from the most mercenary standpoint, where all a man sees a woman as is the factory for his offspring, these qualities wouldn’t be altogether desirable. A woman having all these qualities would tend to produce offspring who never questioned and never stood up for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/58 "2012-09-17T17:35:37Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Even from the most mercenary standpoint, where all a man sees a woman as is the factory for his offspring, these qualities wouldn’t be altogether desirable. A woman having all these qualities would tend to produce offspring who never questioned and never stood up for themselves. This would have been ideal, actually, back when we needed sons to fight the cold war and daughters to produce more sons. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/59 "2012-09-17T17:39:23Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > The OP is using “traditional woman” as shorthand for “a woman who caters her life around me and expects nothing in return except my cock.”… Ok, this woman sounds like a GREAT slave, though not that great a wife. Can I have both? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652/60 "2012-09-18T18:27:16Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I strongly suspect that in this anonymous poll most heterosexual men would prefer a a partner that I’m not going to define much more clearly than this: > > \*she hugely prioritizes her physical beauty, even after child birth and during child rearing > \*she is your complete confidant in any matter > \*furthermore she gives you excellent advice when you ask her questions you are clueless of the answer, especially questions you see as female ones > \*she is constantly sexually attacted to you and while never pestering you for sex, is keen for it all the time > \*you can delegate any or all aspects of running your household to her, with the following caveat: > \*ultimately, she is subservient to you. That is not to say necessarily she is meek and incapable of expressing her opinion, just that if there is a conflict your word rules > > I have a theory about the answers but we’ll see if they fit it. You are describing a holodeck fantasy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hetero-men-would-you-prefer-a-traditional-woman-as-a-partner/634652.md?page=4)