Welcome to the internet. Here are your big girl panties.
Continuing to be an asshole I see. And showing you cannot read/and or understand simple English, as I said I am not in the mood for assholes today, not that I am new to the internet and flame wars and the millions of jerkwads floating about. OTOH, if it makes you feel better that you’ve “won” something, go right ahead, doesn’t bother me a bit.
Well, might I suggest that in the future, if you wish to post speculative counterfactual bullshit that is easily disproven, without the annoyance of people telling you that it’s bullshit, then perhaps the BBQ Pit of the SDMB is not the ideal place for you to attempt it.
Yep, my kids are fully vaccinated. The dog is fully vaccinated. My cat has a contraindication where the vaccine is worse than the risk of disease - so we lower the risk of disease by keeping her inside and vaccinating the dog (for the cross species stuff).
There are lots of other boards where antivaxer BS goes unchallenged. On some of them, they’ll even ban people for trying to introduce some facts and logic into the debate. I suggest you go to one of them if you want that sort of thing.
When everyone around you seems to be an asshole, it is perhaps time to find the common denominator and take a good look in the mirror.
In other words, when you’re both vocally opinionated as well as ignorant, it’s a deadly combination. Next time curlcoat, don’t blurt out whatever you’re thinking before checking the facts first.
And that’s true. There’s a much greater chance he will avoid that fate if he gets the vaccination.
I assume that was aimed at curlcoat, rather than me?
Yes, it was intended to augment what you said.
I don’t see where you’re getting that from what Jackmannii has said.
That would be good advice, had I said anything like that. In actual fact, I said nothing like that.
:rolleyes: The reality is, there are folks on this board who will jump down the throat of anyone they think might hold a view counter to any of the super precious ones held here. Since I didn’t do that (make antivaxer claims) here, those jumping on me now are assholes. As are you, since I didn’t make any claims about “everyone” being one.
What is true? That there is a good chance a child will die or be disabled in he gets chicken pox?
I didn’t get that from what he said. Doesn’t anyone actually read these threads?
Are you a betting person? Are you willing to be a part of the 1465 deaths? Is that too low a risk to be important to you or your child, especially when it is so easily avoided?
Use of the vaccine appears to have cut the death rate in half, and this doesn’t consider the ones who only got sick.
Previously, on “As curlcoat Turns”:
So we have 1) the allegation that the veterinary vaccine schedule is at least useless and at worse dangerous, with a bonus extrapolation suggesting that the same may be true of pediatric vaccination, and 2) dismissal of good evidence from those knowledgeable about immunization using the justification that, well, it sounds like scare tactics so nothing these people say is acceptable.
No matter how indignant curlcoat is about how she IS NOT AN ANTI-VAXER, her mindset is both foolish and strongly associated with the antivax cult. (just Google “vaccine” and “scare tactics” and check out the garbage that pops up).
If, by “super precious” views, you mean “scientifically supported, evidence based truth”, then yes. Yes I do. And will continue to do so. Fighting ignorance and whatnot.
You are entitled to your own views. You are not entitled to your own set of facts. The facts have now been pointed out to you. You should now say “thank you” and shut up.
I’m not an anti-vaccination person at all, but I do have to ask, greater than what? The general mortality rate for chicken pox is something like 6.7/100,000.
Yeah, while people do die of chicken pox, and there is some risk of disfigurement and other issues (infertility in men, IIRC), its a pretty low risk disease. That doesn’t mean that vaccination is a bad idea (my kids are vaccinated), just that choosing not to vaccinate against it isn’t really upping your odds of death much. It goes from “very extremely low risk” to “extremely low risk.”
Like a lot of diseases we vaccinate for, often you aren’t vaccinating for yourself. You are vaccinating to create herd immunity - to keep the people who have greater risk of complications or death from being exposed.
Why would it be? It’s not the same people who are creating vaccine schedules for kids and dogs.
See post #72. The mortality rate is less than half of what it used to be, pre-vaccination.
A mortality rate isn’t the whole story. I had chicken pox as a kid, and I would have preferred not to, even if the penalty was I had to go to school for a week instead.
There is also some evidence, although the jury is still sort of out, that vaccination for chicken pox in childhood will prevent shingles in older people, since the virus will not stick around in the nerves, as it does with the natural infection. And even if chicken pox were guaranteed to be a completely benign disease (which it isn’t, with about 100 deaths per year prior to vaccine) shingles certainly is not, and affects a population that can be even more vulnerable than children.