# Hey, ARG220! Over here! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 1999, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705 "1999-07-06T18:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/21 "1999-07-07T20:48:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Where man is sinful, and we need some form of atonement for our sins. Dang. I was so sure that said, “Where man is painful, we need some ointment for our skins.” I guess I read that wrong, didn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/22 "1999-07-07T21:11:00Z")
Quadell asks: > [@](#): > > Arg, > Why do you care what Stoidela and others believe? And please, don’t try > to say it’s out of love and concern for their souls. I know the > difference between sincere concern for someone, and religious fanaticism > that just wants to be right. You don’t fool me for a minute. I mean, > your posting on the Internet, in the Pit for cryin’ out loud. That’s not > because you care. If you love YHWH so much, get off the Internet, and > pick up your bible. Or pray for people. You’ll make a lot fewer enemies. ``` I know you think you've got me pegged Quadell, but you don't. The fact is that I've prayed for all of you, and I have high hopes that maybe one of you, just one of you, would see God the way I see Him. And the way that millions of other Christians like me see Him. And I read my Bible, quite a lot these days, since I rely on it to answer the many questions you guys ask me. (I read it every day before, but now I read it double) ``` I love God with all my heart. And I realize where I am. Lynn Bodoni once asked that if I wanted to witness, that I go to the Spiritual Channel, or something like that, on AOL. Well, let me ask you, what are the chances that ANY of you would go to that place. Why do you think preachers go into biker bars, and nasty places like that? It’s because the chances are good that the people who inhabit those places do not know the ways of God. Same thing here. I haven’t found one person yet who believes what I do, and I consider that a blessing. Because maybe I can help some of you open your eyes to the truth, and the truth will set you FREE. (more gratuitous witnessing snipped) [Note: This message has been edited by Lynn Bodoni] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/23 "1999-07-07T21:58:00Z")
Ugh … drink the effing kool-aid, already. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/24 "1999-07-07T22:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Ugh … drink the effing kool-aid, already. ``` Is this an insult to me? If it is, then I don't understand it. Maybe it wasn't an insult, who knows. Maybe it's an expression that I'm not familiar with. But, could you explain it to me? Thanks. ``` Adam ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/25 "1999-07-07T22:37:00Z")
Arg: Ever heard of Jim Jones? The Guyana mass suicide, using cyanide-laced Kool-Aid so they could all go home to Jesus? Get it now? * * * Stoidela **Boycott shampoo! Demand REAL poo!** ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/26 "1999-07-07T22:43:00Z")
On November 18, 1978 (before your time, but some of us have perspective) in a small town named Jonestown in the South American country of Guyana, a terrible thing happened. A large group of people, sincere in their belief that they were following the Will of God, committed suicide by drinking cyanide laced Kool-Aid on the instruction of their preacher, the Rev. Jim Jones. They had moved to this retreat to experience the unbounded Joy of Knowing God away from outside influences, and they brought their children along with them to share this joy. Mothers fed the poison to their children. People lined up calmly to get their dose. There is a lesson to be learned from this. Never trust what another person tells you about God’s Will. Think for yourself. And every cult looks reasonable and the One True Way to those inside it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 1999, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/27 "1999-07-07T23:28:00Z")
Sorry, Adam, but you’re a good example of one of the many reasons I don’t believe in your god, to wit, I don’t like His salesman. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 1999, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/28 "1999-07-08T00:35:00Z")
Adam’s latest sermon shows that his god is useful mostly for engendering a feeling of euphoria. Thus being the moral equivalent of a dope dealer. ---
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Arg: (I read it every day before, but now I read it double) As in doubletalk? ---
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Arg: I haven’t found one person yet who believes what I do, and I consider that a blessing. Trust us, kiddo, the rest of us consider that a blessing also. ---
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Now that you mentioned that Guyana thing, it sounds vaguely familiar. But thanks for the little history lesson Dr. F. That’s just one more example of people doing stupid things in the “name of God.” Then it gives the real Christians a bad name. ``` And Monty: Don't twist my words to mean something else. You knew perfectly well what I meant when I said both those statements. ``` Adam ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 1999, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/32 "1999-07-08T01:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Adam didn’t have to sin. God didn’t “set it up” that way. Like hell he didn’t. A truly all-powerful deity capable of creation could, in the blink of an eye, have chosen to create the universe in which Adam **didn’t** choose to sin. But he didn’t. He could’ve chosen to create the universe where the devil didn’t exist. But he didn’t. He had all the possibilities of creation at his fingertips, suppposedly, and chose to create this one, so it’s his fault. > [@](#): > > By disobeying God, Adam and Eve brought sin into a sinless world. So something exists that was not created by god, ergo at least one other being is capable of acts of creation equivalent to those of god. Cripes, do you _ever_consider the logical implications of anything you say? Anyone who thinks all people are inherently bad should be locked away as a sociopath, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 1999, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/33 "1999-07-08T03:35:00Z")
**ARG220** wrote: > [@](#): > > Because when it comes time for Christians to be judged by God… The whole point is that I’m _not_ a Christian. I am not governed by your rules, your religion, or your god. Your own quote above says it: your god will judge Christians, who are _the people who follow and worship him_. That group does not include me. I have no reason to worry about the teachings of your messiah, because I am not one of the people he was sent to save. One has every right to be concerned about one’s own soul; since you accept Jehovah as your overlord, you should expect to be judged in the afterlife. But _my_ soul is my own, and no one has any claim on it but me. ---
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Auraseer: When you take one of my quotes, and just show a snippet, it takes what I said and puts a different spin on it. Please, if you’re going to quote me, then quote the whole paragraph so you don’t change the meaning of what I say. ``` I realize that you're not a Christian. You say: ``` > [@](#): > > But my soul is my own, and no one has any claim on it but me. ``` Yea, and I bet you're pro-choice too. As it stands right now, your soul is not your own. In fact, it belongs to Satan. If you so chose, you can accept Jesus, and then you'll be free of Satan's grasp. My gosh, I've never heard anybody say that "My soul is my own." You, my friend, are making a grave mistake. Because one day you'll find out just who you belong to. God have mercy on your soul. ``` Adam ---
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Love the leap there to being pro-choice. I am too. I guess I’m in Satan’s grip. I’ve always found it fascinating that the sickest, most evil, twisted, and dastardly persons almost invariably come from extremely religious backgrounds. Hmmm. * * * Stoidela **Boycott shampoo! Demand REAL poo!** ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 1999, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705/36 "1999-07-08T06:27:00Z")
Well Stoid, you’re in Satan’s grasp too. But it’s not because you are pro-choice, or swear about God, or do whatever it is you do. You’re in Satan’s grasp because…well…you haven’t made Jesus your Lord. Jesus says that if you’re not for Him, then you’re against Him. It’s pretty simple really. Either you serve Him, or you don’t. And unfortunatly for you, you’ve chosen not to serve Him. > [@](#): > > I’ve always found it fascinating that the sickest, most evil, twisted, > and dastardly persons almost invariably come from extremely religious > backgrounds. ``` Wow, we may actually agree on something. 'Cause I think the same thing too. (Well, kind of) To understand what I mean, look in the Bible about what Jesus has to say about religion. See how He deals with those religious Sadducees, and Pharisees. The thing that none of you have yet understood is that being a Christian has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with having a relationship. ``` Adam ---
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Friends and neighbors, like I said in another thread, it’s all about ego and comfort. People like Adam think they and the rest of humanity are worthless wretches, so it gives their ego a stroke to imagine that they know some secret, important thing about you that you yourself don’t know. We’ve all seen it again and again and again. ---
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You’re in Satan’s grasp because…well…you haven’t made Jesus your Lord. So, almost everyone who has ever lived is/has been in Satan’s grasp. Does this mean Satan wins? ---
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Arg, your relentless witnessing has finally shown me the light and I have accepted your God. Do you mind if I test my new wheels? Dear Lord, Just make Arg go away!! ## Amen \>^,^\< KITTEN He who walk through airport door sideways going to Bangkok. - Confucius ---
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> [@](#): > > So, almost everyone who has ever lived is/has been in Satan’s grasp. ``` Yes! I see somebody's catching on here. ``` > [@](#): > > Does this mean Satan wins? ``` Not in the least. Although he's having his fun here on earth, he will eventually find himself burning forever, along with all his minions in hell. Diane: I'll bet you were one of those people who personally complained to Lynn Bodoni about getting me kicked off the board. Well, if you notice, we are currently in the "Hey ARG220, Over here!" thread. So somebody must want me to stick around. ``` Adam [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-arg220-over-here/1705.md?page=3)