# Hey, Barking Spider, there is a difference between "conservative" and "bigot"... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 9, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041 "2002-06-09T00:50:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/1 "2002-06-09T00:50:27Z")
…guess which one you are. In [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=118824) thread, **BS** (and was there ever a more appropriate set of initials) is spewing his usual ignorant and hate filled “opinion”. Here’s just one fine example: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barking Spider \* > \*\*Thats like when some liberal jumps up and says that: > > “Most Americans on welfare are White” > > But of course when you tell them that Whites are 70% of the countries population, yet only 40% of the welfare caseload, and Blacks are 12% of the population, but 38% of the welfare caseload, do they shut their racist liberal mouths. \*\* Dude, you are an embarassment to conservatives everywhere. I know conservatives, some of my best friends are conservatives, you, **Barking Spider** are no conservative. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/2 "2002-06-09T01:08:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Dude, you are an embarassment to conservatives everywhere. > > I know conservatives, some of my best friends are conservatives, you, Barking Spider are no conservative Well, **Barking Spider** is an asshole–appropriate for someone using a euphemism for a fart as a screen name–but shouldn’t you attack his figures rather than his personality? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/3 "2002-06-09T01:11:41Z")
**Barking Spider** is a radical nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/4 "2002-06-09T01:28:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* > Well, **Barking Spider** is an asshole–appropriate for someone using a euphemism for a fart as a screen name–but shouldn’t you attack his figures rather than his personality? \*\* The reason I put this in the pit is that I _know_ I, personally, am unable to argue rationally with his particular brand of idiocy. I was only lurking in that particular thread when his posts [billy jack]just… made… me… snap[/billy jack]. I tried to be careful with my wording in the OP, because it is not all conservatives by any means, just those of **BS** ’s stripe who piss me off. My dear sainted mother is a conservative, she campaigned for Goldwater while she was in high school- **Barking Spider** and his ilk are what drove her away in the mid-nineties. To me, **Barking Spider** represents a cancer eating away at one particular ideology in this country, and while I am not personally a conservative I feel we are all weaker for it- witness the scare tactics Gore supporters used in the last presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/5 "2002-06-09T01:47:07Z")
I’ve never claimed to be a conservative. I crossed that Rubicron long ago. But being that Monstro is the bigot for claiming that White males should be fingerprinted, when the facts are that BLACK males commit crimes in this country in far greater numbers than their numbers would seem to warrent: Are you saying I’m a bigot for pointing out that fact? If so, that seems mighty bigoted of you!😃 ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/6 "2002-06-09T02:01:39Z")
I’m saying never mind statistics, punishing innocent people is always a bad idea- and yes, profiling is punishment. I live in Oklahoma, and I remember that after the Murrah Federal Building was bombed a lot of people blamed “ay-rabs”- a man in Norman was beaten. When the bomber was cought absolutely no one suggested profiling white men, white guys were not dragged from their homes and beaten. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/7 "2002-06-09T02:07:12Z")
Um, never mind statistics? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/8 "2002-06-09T02:07:30Z")
Hey, I think we should ALL be fingerprinted. That way, when I come after you in one of the black helicopters, I’ll be able to tell who’s who, since all you fuckers look alike to me, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/9 "2002-06-09T02:18:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barking Spider \* > \*\*Um, never mind statistics? \*\* You heard me right, jackass, nevermind statistics. Let me explain it, I’ll try to use small words so you don’t ge confused: If you are innocent of a crime, it doesn’t matter _what percentage_ of people who share some meaningless signifier with you are guilty, you’re still innocent. More to the point, as I pointed out in my last post it always seems to go _one way_ when profiling is suggested- it’s pretty damn easy to point at some _others_ to blame and punish- anyone with half a fucking clue acknowledges that crime, terrorism, welfare (I still can’t believe you brought that shit up) are _human_ problems. Oh, well. At least you admit you aren’t a conservative, which given the options puts you in a pretty bad light. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/10 "2002-06-09T02:34:54Z")
Fuckin’ A, I feel like the ACLU defending the klan here, but **Barking Spider** _does_ have a valid point regarding demographics. If you are going to call him out, don’t do it over this. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/11 "2002-06-09T02:40:34Z")
It’s not so much the demographics (I can see other views on profiling, although I dissagree) as it is the blatant agenda pushing. What’s with bringing _welfare_ into the debate? What’s with the “racist liberals” remark? In short **BS** is a racist motherfucker and it pisses me off. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/12 "2002-06-09T02:46:43Z")
grendel72 wrote: > [@](#): > > In short BS is a racist motherfucker and it pisses me off. Well, if you’d keep your mother off the street, then I wouldn’t be fucking her! ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/13 "2002-06-09T02:51:50Z")
> [@](#): > > But being that Monstro is the bigot for claiming that White males should be fingerprinted, when the facts are that BLACK males commit crimes in this country in far greater numbers than their numbers would seem to warrent: You obviously haven’t been reading my posts over there. Either that, or you’ve been whooshed. I don’t think anyone should be fingerprinted, white, black, or Middle Eastern. My singling out “white” crime was an effort to demonstrate how stupid the idea is. I find it funny that you think I’m a bigot, though. Would I be a bigot if I thought Middle Eastern folk should be fingerprinted? Or black people? Why should Oh Glorious White People be immune from profiling? And why am I being called a bigot in the first place? > [@](#): > > Um, never mind statistics? Um, where’s YOUR statistics? You made up a bunch of them back in GD, but your logic is still shoddy. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/14 "2002-06-09T03:02:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Barking Spider \* > \*\*Well, if you’d keep your mother off the street, then I wouldn’t be fucking her! \*\* Dude, my moms has way more class than that- I believe you were speaking of the old syphilitic goat I raised as a 4H project. ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/15 "2002-06-09T03:03:43Z")
Monsto says: > [@](#): > > Um, where’s YOUR statistics? You made up a bunch of them back in GD, but your logic is still shoddy. Actually, no, I didn’t make up any statistics as to Black crime. Check out the FBI sites. I let you off pretty easy. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/16 "2002-06-09T03:32:35Z")
> [@](#): > > I let you off pretty easy. Oooh, I’m afraid! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/17 "2002-06-09T03:38:38Z")
:rolleyes: indeed. In terms of raw numbers, white people obviously commit more crimes, because there are more **of** them. In terms of percentage of the population, black people commit more crime, for whatever reasons, which I do not care to go into. In terms of who should be fingerprinted or profiled for what, neither number is meaningful. Hell, with the usual logic displayed on this topic, the strongest argument could be made for profiling **poor** people of all colors, since they commit most of the violent crime. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/18 "2002-06-09T03:41:03Z")
[hijack] “I’ve never claimed to be a conservative. I crossed that Rubicron long ago.” Is, for some reason, one of the funniest things I’ve read all day. “Rubicron” sounds like it’s out of some bad sci-fi movie, and I never knew there was more than one Rubicon… Sorry. [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/19 "2002-06-09T03:43:25Z")
**pld** , and equal argument could be made for fingerprinting all young males - irrespective of race - as criminology statistics show that they are significantly more likely than any other demographic group to be the perpetrators of most classes of crime (and especially property crime and crimes of violence). ---
**Author:** ![Barking\_Spider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Barking\_Spider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barking_Spider)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2002, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041/20 "2002-06-09T03:54:37Z")
Hey Grendel- It sure was BIGOTED of you to drag me to the pit. You should have checked out the FBI statistics of Black/White crime before you displayed your narrow minded bigotry. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-barking-spider-there-is-a-difference-between-conservative-and-bigot/113041.md?page=2)