# Hey Bernie, go to hell and take all of your Bros with you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322 "2018-02-22T04:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/241 "2018-03-08T19:14:22Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Yeah I don’t see how the “but Hillary was a flawed candidate” carries any weight when we actually have president dumpster fire in office right damn now. Was Hillary as flawed a candidate as Trump? Clearly not. Was Bernie without flaws? Clearly not. Can you name one candidate for any office ever in our history that had zero flaws? Somehow I doubt it. Since pollsters started asking the question Trump polled as the most disliked candidate ever. The second most disliked candidate ever was Hillary Clinton. Is Clinton better than Trump? Obviously but don’t act surprised that the second most disliked candidate ever didn’t excite people to go to the polls to vote for her. And despite what her cheer-leading squad here would have you believe there are legitimate reasons to not like her as a candidate that have nothing to do with Russian propaganda or misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/242 "2018-03-08T19:22:45Z")
And we will never be able to take power back from Trump and the GOP if we can’t get over this and start working against the enemy rather than against each other. The Republicans all got behind Trump even if they disliked him personally because they knew it was about more than the person on the ballot. Some Democratic voters went the other way, and now we all pay the price for that. It honestly feels like the Russians don’t even need to bother continuing their campaign to divide us and sow discord, since we are doing such a bang up job keeping that going ourselves… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/243 "2018-03-08T19:49:41Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > And we will never be able to take power back from Trump and the GOP if we can’t get over this and start working against the enemy rather than against each other. The Republicans all got behind Trump even if they disliked him personally because they knew it was about more than the person on the ballot. Some Democratic voters went the other way, and now we all pay the price for that. I think what we saw in the last election was a repudiation of the status quo in Washington. Trump beat a huge field of republican contenders. How? He was not the status quo candidate when the rest were. Clinton was the embodiment of the status quo in Washington. It’d be more of the same and few wanted that. Additionally the DNC was in the bag for Clinton and it hurt her in the end. And the DNC is STILL working against people in its own party (see below). So I am hard pressed to be enthused by a party run by people akin to **John\_Stamos’\_Left\_Ear** who expect me to vote for the candidate they picked because they know best. Fuck 'em. Let the people pick their candidates and I’ll get back on board with the party. > [@](#): > > On April 28 the transcript was released from the most recent hearing at a federal court in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., on the lawsuit filed on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters against the Democratic National Committee and former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for rigging the Democratic primaries for Hillary Clinton. Throughout the hearing, lawyers representing the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz double down on arguments confirming the disdain the Democratic establishment has toward Bernie Sanders supporters and any entity challenging the party’s status quo. > > SOURCE: [http://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/](http://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/) > [@](#): > > But thanks to an intricate system of state-by-state rules governing who gets access to that data—a system critics say is tailor-made to protect incumbents—some Democratic primary challengers, like Clark, are being denied access to this critical pool of information by their own party. > > SOURCE: [Justice Democrat Candidates Have Been Denied Access to DNC Voter Data | WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/justice-democrats-denied-access-party-voter-data/) > [@](#): > > Houston Democratic congressional candidate Laura Moser is under attack from a national group in her own party that said her “disgust for life in Texas” means she couldn’t win the general election. > > The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee slammed Moser on Thursday in negative research posted on its website. The committee calls Moser a “Washington insider” and accused her of moving to Houston for the sole reason of running for Congress. > > SOURCE: [Houston Democratic congressional candidate attacked by her own party as 'Washington insider' ](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/02/23/houston-democratic-congressionalcandidate-attacked-party-washington-insider) > [@](#): > > It started a week ago when U.S. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer antagonized Houston Democrats, particularly in the city’s Latino communities, when he opted to endorse Tahir Javed for Congress, a recent Beaumont transplant who moved to Houston just last year. Javed is the only non-Latino running in the seven-person Democratic primary to replace U.S. Rep. Gene Green in the 29th Congressional District, which includes east Houston and parts of Pasadena, South Houston and Galena Park. Hispanics make up 77 percent of that district, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. > > “Exactly how tone deaf is Senator Schumer to endorse a non-Hispanic, carpetbagging, millionaire for our Congressional District 29?” asked J.C. Salazar, a Democratic voter in the 29th Congressional District for 65 years and who is backing attorney Roel Garcia in the race. > > SOURCE: [https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/National-Democrats-could-undermine-Texas-momentum-12714873.php](https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/National-Democrats-could-undermine-Texas-momentum-12714873.php) ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/244 "2018-03-08T19:58:56Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > And despite what her cheer-leading squad here would have you believe there are legitimate reasons to not like her as a candidate that have nothing to do with Russian propaganda or misogyny. Saying that voting for Hillary was the obviously rational choice when she was the only possibility to be president other than Trump is not == cheerleading. It’s just stating an objective truth. My evidence is everything we’ve seen happen since November 2016, as well as _gestures broadly around_ what we have right now. Also, there were legitimate reasons to not like Bernie as a candidate as well. Socialists don’t generally win many elections on a Federal level in this Country. You know that word would have been played up as much as or more than “her emails”. He also was not doing very well at all with the AA vote which would have been essential to win the general election. I know that I will be doing everything I can to help the Democrats win the midterms. I hope that we can at least agree that we all should want that. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/245 "2018-03-08T20:03:52Z")
ok I guess we can’t even agree on that… By the way you said “Let the people pick their candidates and I’ll get back on board with the party.” - Which people? Hillary got 3.7 million more votes in the primary. Are those not real people? Do their votes not count? Do we just go with whoever you declare is entitled to the nomination? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/246 "2018-03-08T20:31:41Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Saying that voting for Hillary was the obviously rational choice when she was the only possibility to be president other than Trump is not == cheerleading. It’s just stating an objective truth. My evidence is everything we’ve seen happen since November 2016, as well as _gestures broadly around_ what we have right now. I agree Clinton is objectively better than Trump but what you stated is hindsight. Still, it is about what I expected and as I have already stated I voted for Clinton because of this for which JSLE derided me as not destined for hell but purgatory. > [@](#): > > Also, there were legitimate reasons to not like Bernie as a candidate as well. Socialists don’t generally win many elections on a Federal level in this Country. You know that word would have been played up as much as or more than “her emails”. He also was not doing very well at all with the AA vote which would have been essential to win the general election. If you don’t like Sanders fine but while we can never know for certain the good money is that Sanders would have beat Trump in the election. Even his own pollsters think so: > [@](#): > > My view, stated throughout the 2016 campaign, was that whether one supported Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders in the presidential primaries, it was vital that all Democrats fully understand why Sanders ran so far ahead of Trump in polling — usually by double digits — and markedly stronger than Clinton in match-up polling against Trump. > > As reported recently in The Hill, Trump’s own pollster, Tony Fabrizio, stated flatly at a recent Harvard University Institute of Politics event that Sanders would have beaten Trump. He said Sanders would have run stronger than Clinton with lower-educated and lower-income white voters. I could not agree more, on both counts. > > The real working-class hero candidate was always Sanders, not Trump, who has always been a crony capitalist pretending to be a populist. > > SOURCE: [http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters](http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters) > [@](#): > > By the way you said “Let the people pick their candidates and I’ll get back on board with the party.” - Which people? Hillary got 3.7 million more votes in the primary. Are those not real people? Do their votes not count? Do we just go with whoever you declare is entitled to the nomination? I was speaking of the primaries mainly. The DNC had its thumb on the scale for Clinton all along as did the MSM (and seems to be doing it again in some races as noted in my earlier post). Despite this Sanders ran pretty close for a bit. Who knows what might have happened if the DNC and MSM hadn’t taken sides? Sanders might well have been another dark horse candidate. Had that happened we would not have president Trump but president Sanders which, I am sure you would agree, would have been a better result. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/247 "2018-03-08T20:44:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I was speaking of the primaries mainly. The DNC had its thumb on the scale for Clinton all along as did the MSM (and seems to be doing it again in some races as noted in my earlier post). Despite this Sanders ran pretty close for a bit. Who knows what might have happened if the DNC and MSM hadn’t taken sides? Sanders might well have been another dark horse candidate. Had that happened we would not have president Trump but president Sanders which, I am sure you would agree, would have been a better result. This is the kind of thing I was getting at in my first post in this thread. The election (primary phase) wasn’t close. Minor ways in which the DNC may have favored Clinton wouldn’t have had the impact you seem to think. And “the MSM” (what a stupid fucking term that is) is not a monolithic entity and didn’t favor Clinton in any meaningful way. This is where I get irritated. The voters of the Democratic party selected Clinton as their nominee. Sanders supporters didn’t like it, so we’ve been hearing these ridiculous conspiracy theories ever since, and the bad-will that stirred up was relevant in the general election. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/248 "2018-03-08T20:45:54Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I agree Clinton is objectively better than Trump but what you stated is hindsight. If it wasn’t completely obvious to you at the time, you have no one else to blame. It was, shall we say, extensively discussed. IOW cut the shit. > [@](#): > > the good money is that Sanders would have beat Trump in the election. That was, too. Cut that shit too. > [@](#): > > I was speaking of the primaries mainly. The DNC had its thumb on the scale for Clinton all along Yes, the Democrats supported the Democrat. The “rigging” charge is, however, unfounded, given that Sanders got a \*higher \*percentage of delegates than votes. More shit you can cut. > [@](#): > > Who knows what might have happened if the DNC and MSM hadn’t taken sides? Sanders might well have been another dark horse candidate. Had that happened we would not have president Trump but president Sanders And monkeys might … Oh, never mind, your mind is permanently made up. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/249 "2018-03-08T20:48:25Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > And “the MSM” (what a stupid fucking term that is) Well, yes. That does make these people hard to distinguish from Trumpies. For both, the guiding principle isn’t making our country and our world better, but just hating Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/250 "2018-03-08T20:59:31Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you don’t like Sanders fine but while we can never know for certain the good money is that Sanders would have beat Trump in the election. I didn’t say I didn’t like Bernie. I would have gladly voted for him had he won the nomination, but he didn’t. My point is that no candidate is perfect, all candidates have flaws. You seem to be averse to acknowledging that this applies to Bernie too. And I don’t agree that it was certain that he would have beaten Trump. You don’t know what would have happened once the GOP turned its knives toward him, and once the Russian trolls started doing what they did to Hillary to help Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/251 "2018-03-08T21:07:22Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > This is the kind of thing I was getting at in my first post in this thread. The election (primary phase) wasn’t close. Minor ways in which the DNC may have favored Clinton wouldn’t have had the impact you seem to think. And “the MSM” (what a stupid fucking term that is) is not a monolithic entity and didn’t favor Clinton in any meaningful way. > > This is where I get irritated. The voters of the Democratic party selected Clinton as their nominee. Sanders supporters didn’t like it, so we’ve been hearing these ridiculous conspiracy theories ever since, and the bad-will that stirred up was relevant in the general election. What conspiracy theories? I have backed up everything I have said so far. Have you? > [@](#): > > Sanders in particular struggled to get the media’s attention. Over the course of the primary season, Sanders received only two-thirds of the coverage afforded Clinton. Sanders’ coverage trailed Clinton’s in every week of the primary season. Relative to Trump, Sanders was truly a poor cousin. He received less than half of the coverage afforded Trump. Sanders received even slightly less coverage than Cruz, despite the fact that Cruz quit the race and dropped off the media’s radar screen five weeks before the final contests. For her part, Clinton got slightly less than three-fourths of the press attention given to Trump. Nevertheless, she was, except for Trump, the most heavily covered candidate during the primary period. > > SOURCE: [News Coverage of the 2016 Presidential Primaries: Horse Race Reporting Has Consequences](https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-presidential-primaries/) - Thomas E. Patterson, Bradlee Professor of Government and the Press, Harvard Kennedy School Perhaps more insidious though was the media including superdelegates when counting how many delegates Sanders had compared to Clinton. This heavily skewed the results suggesting Sanders was light years away from winning while Clinton was a shoe in. That has a variety of effects such as suppressing turnout for Sanders (why bother if he can’t win) and a well known bias in general that people want to vote for the winners. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/252 "2018-03-08T21:10:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If it wasn’t completely obvious to you at the time, you have no one else to blame. It was, shall we say, extensively discussed. IOW cut the shit. > > That was, too. Cut that shit too. > > Yes, the Democrats supported the Democrat. The “rigging” charge is, however, unfounded, given that Sanders got a \*higher \*percentage of delegates than votes. More shit you can cut. > > And monkeys might … Oh, never mind, your mind is permanently made up. I don’t even know what you are on about. I have provided numerous citations. You have…nothing but mudslinging. Which suggests you got nothing but your nose firmly up Clinton’s ass. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/253 "2018-03-08T21:13:12Z")
If you’d paid any attention at the time, when it would have made a difference, you’d already know. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/254 "2018-03-08T21:16:03Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > And I don’t agree that it was certain that he would have beaten Trump. You don’t know what would have happened once the GOP turned its knives toward him, and once the Russian trolls started doing what they did to Hillary to help Trump. I didn’t say it was certain. I said the good money is on Sanders beating Trump had that been the matchup. Don’t take my word for it: - [Trump pollster: Sanders would have won general election](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357937-trump-pollster-sanders-would-have-defeated-trump-in-the-presidential) - [Hillary Clinton lost. Bernie Sanders could have won.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/10/hillary-clinton-lost-bernie-sanders-could-have-won/?utm_term=.fd5deddd8394) - [General Election: Trump vs. Sanders](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html) ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/255 "2018-03-08T21:17:08Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > What conspiracy theories? I have backed up everything I have said so far. Have you? The conspiracy that the DNC and media worked to install Clinton as the nominee. Remember you said this? > [@](#): > > So I am hard pressed to be enthused by a party run by people akin to John\_Stamos’\_Left\_Ear who expect me to vote for the candidate they picked because they know best. Fuck 'em. Let the people pick their candidates and I’ll get back on board with the party. That is not a thing that happened. What actually happened is that we had a long, drawn-out primary election, and Democratic party voters (and independents in some states) selected Clinton. It was in a few of the papers. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/256 "2018-03-08T21:17:32Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I was speaking of the primaries mainly. The DNC had its thumb on the scale for Clinton all along as did the MSM (and seems to be doing it again in some races as noted in my earlier post). Despite this Sanders ran pretty close for a bit. Who knows what might have happened if the DNC and MSM hadn’t taken sides? Sanders might well have been another dark horse candidate. Had that happened we would not have president Trump but president Sanders which, I am sure you would agree, would have been a better result. This always cracks me up. That the DNC favored the Democrat other the Democratic Socialist is a feature, not a bug. If a third party candidate you didn’t like switched parties just for a shot at president and hijacked a functioning party’s process, how would you feel about it? Also, and I have to keep coming back to this- Bernie was as hard on ‘identity politics’ as any right-winger I have encountered. White dudes loved him, I get that. But the vibe that minorities of several different stripes (including Black Americans, the backbone and moral compass of the party) got from Sanders was that they would be much better protected by a Clinton administration. And I don’t blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/257 "2018-03-08T21:17:37Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If you’d paid any attention at the time, when it would have made a difference, you’d already know. More vague mumbo jumbo. Come back when you’ve actually found a coherent argument. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/258 "2018-03-08T21:18:37Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > If you don’t like Sanders fine but while we can never know for certain the good money is that Sanders would have beat Trump in the election. > > Even his own pollsters think so: His pollsters also thought that Clinton would beat him. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/259 "2018-03-08T21:23:40Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > More vague mumbo jumbo. You are invited to set your Search function to 2016 and find an extremely extensive and in depth discussion of this and all related topics regarding the primary and general election, including all the cites you could ever hope for. It’s a shame you slept through it all, but that’s nobody else’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/260 "2018-03-08T21:32:38Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > JSLE, I agree with most of your response to DoggyDunnit, but I think you may have missed that s/he is black. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yeah, I pointed that out. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322.md?page=14)