# Hey Bernie, go to hell and take all of your Bros with you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322 "2018-02-22T04:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/161 "2018-03-06T00:34:24Z")
JSLE, I don’t disagree with much that you said (and until a few days ago, I wouldn’t have disagreed even about Hillary’s corruption—more on that in a sec). But surely you don’t deny that voting third party is not as bad as voting for Trump? Just mathematically, it takes two people to flip from Hillary to Stein to make the same impact as one person flipping from Hillary to Trump. But in all honesty I do have to admit that a few days ago a Bernie supporter who’s a Facebook friend finally convinced me that Hillary was guilty of significant wrongdoing. Not about the nothingburger of the email server, or the less-than-nothingburger of Benghazi. But he showed me solid evidence that someone sought a meeting with Hillary when she was Sec’y of State, got turned down, then gave a quarter million to the Clinton Foundation, someone from the foundation emailed Hillary to say he was a “friend of ours” and could you meet with him? She then agreed. That really is selling access and it’s not good, Bob. Which is not to say that it remotely approaches the magnitude of Trump’s corruption (which is not even to mention his incompetence, idiocy, and malodorousness). But that’s more a reflection of how unimaginably awful Trump is than any positive reflection on her. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/162 "2018-03-06T02:34:22Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > JSLE, I don’t disagree with much that you said (and until a few days ago, I wouldn’t have disagreed even about Hillary’s corruption—more on that in a sec). But surely you don’t deny that voting third party is not as bad as voting for Trump? Just mathematically, it takes two people to flip from Hillary to Stein to make the same impact as one person flipping from Hillary to Trump. > > But in all honesty I do have to admit that a few days ago a Bernie supporter who’s a Facebook friend finally convinced me that Hillary was guilty of significant wrongdoing. Not about the nothingburger of the email server, or the less-than-nothingburger of Benghazi. But he showed me solid evidence that someone sought a meeting with Hillary when she was Sec’y of State, got turned down, then gave a quarter million to the Clinton Foundation, someone from the foundation emailed Hillary to say he was a “friend of ours” and could you meet with him? She then agreed. That really is selling access and it’s not good, Bob. > > Which is not to say that it remotely approaches the magnitude of Trump’s corruption (which is not even to mention his incompetence, idiocy, and malodorousness). But that’s more a reflection of how unimaginably awful Trump is than any positive reflection on her. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That’s pretty pathetic. Even if you assume that both Clintons are corrupt as Hell, do you honestly think $250,000 is enough to influence a former President and a sitting Secretary of State? The .Clinton Foundation is corrupt’ garbage has been circulating on right wing media forever. It is too bad that your Bernie Bro friend is such an idiot as to believe it. I’m not going to bother to google this bullshit, but I think even Bernie Bros might understand the difference between not meeting someone while you serve in an important job versus shaking hands and making small talk at some charity event. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/163 "2018-03-06T02:35:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > All that peace and prosperity was just maddening, wasn’t it? You mean the war HRC voted for? That peace? And as for the prosperity I think whoever was president in the 90’s was going to enjoy the dot com boom and whoever followed was going to get the bust. If you mean to say that at least they were better than Bush or Trump I do not disagree but that is damning with faint praise. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/164 "2018-03-06T05:49:36Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > That’s pretty pathetic. Even if you assume that both Clintons are corrupt as Hell, do you honestly think $250,000 is enough to influence a former President and a sitting Secretary of State? > > The .Clinton Foundation is corrupt’ garbage has been circulating on right wing media forever. It is too bad that your Bernie Bro friend is such an idiot as to believe it. I’m not going to bother to google this bullshit, but I think even Bernie Bros might understand the difference between not meeting someone while you serve in an important job versus shaking hands and making small talk at some charity event. I had some of the details wrong, but this WaPo article makes it clear to me that if the head of the foundation reminded Hillary that someone was a “friend of ours”, they might get an official meeting at State (not a chat at a fundraiser, as you characterized it) even if they previously had been denied: > **[Emails reveal how foundation donors got access to Clinton and her close aides...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/emails-reveal-how-foundation-donors-got-access-to-clinton-and-her-close-aides-at-state-dept/2016/08/22/345b5200-6882-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html?utm_term=.53bc7f6a4f90)** > > A newly released set of exchanges involving Huma Abedin also shows that their requests weren’t always granted. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/165 "2018-03-06T14:15:13Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > That said I am aware of all the above and voted for HRC in the general election. As long as that’s the case, you don’t need to go to hell. But you should be in purgatory for the rest. > [@](#): > > And that said it infuriated me because I feel that was her calculation all along. Rather than courting my vote it was more what else are you going to do…vote for Trump? All along? Because Trump was always going to be the candidate she was up against? How remarkably prescient of her considering most everyone didn’t give him a real chance until somewhat late in the game and there were still rumblings that Republicans were gonna #NeverTrump as late as the convention. Anyway, here was [60 reasons](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/22/1573019/-60-Reasons-to-vote-FOR-Hillary-Clinton) to vote for Hillary Clinton (not just against Donald Trump). While someone at the Daily Kos compiled this list, here’s [her own website](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/) with her positions. Oddly enough, not a single one of them says “I’m not Trump.” > [@](#): > > The Clintons are far from liberal and moved the center to the right with their Third Way politics. Her and her ilk did a massive disservice to this country. From [Harry Enten at FiveThirtyEight](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/): > [@](#): > > Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate. According to an analysis of roll call votes by Voteview, Clinton’s record was more liberal than 70 percent of Democrats in her final term in the Senate. She was more liberal than 85 percent of all members. Her 2008 rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Barack Obama, was nearby with a record more liberal than 82 percent of all members — he was not more liberal than Clinton. > > Clinton also has a history of very liberal public statements. Clinton rates as a “hard core liberal” per the [OnTheIssues.org](http://OnTheIssues.org) scale. She is as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and barely more moderate than Bernie Sanders. And while Obama is also a “hard core liberal,” Clinton again was rated as more liberal than Obama. > > Sometimes I wonder whether people are confusing Clinton with her husband. Bill Clinton’s statements have been far more moderate. He has also had a more moderate donor base, according to Adam Bonica’s fundraising scores. Hillary was considerably more liberal than her husband was. She was allowed to be because she was inheriting eight years of a Democrat who left with a more or less [solid approval ratings](https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/poll-obama-approval-ratings-233725) as opposed to Bill who was trying to [rescue his party from its worst electoral drought in more than a century](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-to-win-like-bill-clinton/2017/11/08/2da6ca60-c4bc-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.aba21b7c4099). So, good for you for surviving the Kool Aid that killed so many. But you still drank it so don’t hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/166 "2018-03-06T14:22:30Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But in all honesty I do have to admit that a few days ago a Bernie supporter who’s a Facebook friend finally convinced me that Hillary was guilty of significant wrongdoing. Not about the nothingburger of the email server, or the less-than-nothingburger of Benghazi. But he showed me solid evidence that someone sought a meeting with Hillary when she was Sec’y of State, got turned down, then gave a quarter million to the Clinton Foundation, someone from the foundation emailed Hillary to say he was a “friend of ours” and could you meet with him? She then agreed. That really is selling access and it’s not good, Bob. Your friend is an idiot Bernie Bro. But I repeat myself. Regardless, [you should be smarter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation%E2%80%93State_Department_controversy) than to listen to him. > [@](#): > > In 2016, the Associated Press published a controversial story based on logs of meetings Clinton took as Secretary of State. In the story, the AP stated that at least 85 of 154 people from private interests that Clinton met or had phone conversations with while Secretary of State donated to the Clinton Foundation. In total, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million to the Foundation. The AP described the number as an “extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president”. The AP promoted its story with a tweet claiming that “more than half those who met Clinton as Cabinet secretary gave money to Clinton Foundation”, which has been criticized because it does not make clear that the analysis was performed on meetings with people who were not federal employees or foreign government representatives among other reasons. > > By excluding Clinton’s meetings with government officials from the U.S. and other countries, the majority of her diplomatic work, the AP’s count included only a small subcategory of fewer than 5% of the people Clinton met with as secretary of state. The AP, explaining the omission, said that “such meetings would presumably have been part of her diplomatic duties”. Further, among the private donors with whom Clinton met were internationally known individuals such as Melinda Gates, Elie Wiesel, and Muhammad Yunus. > > Reporters from other news outlets immediately noticed, and commented on, the AP’s selective use of information and misleading tweet. The report was called a “big failure” in an opinion piece by Paul Reyes of CNN, because it presented “facts out of context and somehow built a whole report around Clinton having done nothing wrong”. A piece in the Washington Monthly stated that AP “took some interesting information they gathered and spun it into something it wasn’t…scandalous.” Others described the story as botched or “seriously flawed”. Matthew Yglesias wrote that the AP story’s conclusions “turned out not to be true”.[44] A Clinton spokesman said of the story, “It cherry-picked a limited subset of Secretary Clinton’s schedule to give a distorted portrayal of how often she crossed paths with individuals connected to charitable donations to the Clinton Foundation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/167 "2018-03-06T14:33:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You mean the war HRC voted for? That peace? I’m sure Sainted Bernie would have had us all singing kumbaya over smores. Oh wait. > [@](#): > > Both Clinton and Sanders are seasoned interventionists, often advancing their hawkish policies under the ragged banner of “humanitarianism.” > > Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama’s Libyan debacle and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War. > > More problematic for the Senator in Birkenstocks is the little-known fact that Bernie Sanders himself voted twice in support of regime change in Iraq. In 1998 Sanders voted in favor of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which said: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” > > Later that same year, Sanders also backed a resolution that stated: “Congress reaffirms that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.” These measures gave congressional backing for the CIA’s covert plan to overthrow the Hussein regime in Baghdad, as well as the tightening of an economic sanctions regime that may have killed as many as 500,000 Iraqi children. The resolution also gave the green light to Operation Desert Fox, a four-day long bombing campaign striking 100 targets throughout Iraq. The operation featured more than 300 bombing sorties and 350 ground-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles, several targeting Saddam Hussein himself. > > Even Hillary belatedly admitted that her Iraq war vote was a mistake. Bernie, however, has never apologized for his two votes endorsing the overthrow of Saddam. > > [Counterpunch](https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/) Also, there is ample evidence from Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State that diplomacy. I do realize that someone who thinks that Bill Clinton circa 1992 and Hillary a quarter century later are the same person might not realize this. Still, others do. > [@](#): > > As the Woodrow Wilson Center’s Aaron David Miller noted recently in the Wall Street Journal, Clinton frequently complained about the militarization of US foreign policy when she was secretary of state and touted the virtues of “smart power” (the idea that all elements of national power are needed to solve foreign policy problems) and diplomacy in tackling the nation’s most serious national security challenges. > > Consistent with this approach, she started the secret negotiations with Iran in 2012 that ultimately led to the Iran nuclear deal. She has similarly supported President Obama’s opening to Cuba. She supported and implemented the reset with Russia that began in 2009. > > When China started becoming aggressive in the South China Sea, she did not reach for military tools, but rather looked to a regional diplomatic approach that stood in stark contrast to Beijing’s military aggression. > > [Vox](https://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12401150/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-war-hawk) Of course someone who thinks Obama was a warhawk (which you didn’t say but the context clues of your posting here makes me think that’s not far from the truth) would decry anyone who doesn’t swear to stamp out the military industrial complex. It’s another debate but I’ll just say the difference between how Obama carried out his role as Commander In Chief was vastly different than that of his predecessor and much more preferable so I would have rather taken that instead of what we had before or now. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/168 "2018-03-06T18:36:59Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I look at it a little differently: Every person who did not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election did a shameful thing I didn’t vote for Clinton in the general election. I don’t consider it shameful since my state was won by Clinton, and I knew that it would going into the election. I voted for the 3rd party candidate in the hopes that he would get enough votes for his party to receive matching federal funds. I don’t consider that shameful. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/169 "2018-03-06T18:40:24Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t vote for Clinton in the general election. I don’t consider it shameful since my state was won by Clinton, and I knew that it would going into the election. I voted for the 3rd party candidate in the hopes that he would get enough votes for his party to receive matching federal funds. I don’t consider that shameful. Strategic, but risky. Many people didn’t vote for clinton because they thought she would win without their vote. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/170 "2018-03-06T19:01:54Z")
I’m pretty sure that Maryland was a lock for Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/171 "2018-03-06T19:18:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Maryland was a lock for Clinton. And it was, but people said that about wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan too. At least in Ohio, I know that my vote counts enough that I should take it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/172 "2018-03-06T19:20:33Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And it was, but people said that about wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan too. > > At least in Ohio, I know that my vote counts enough that I should take it seriously. Well, people in wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan are stupid 🙂 Had I thought like you about Maryland, then I would have voted for Clinton. Does that make me not shameful then? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/173 "2018-03-06T20:07:38Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, people in wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan are stupid 🙂 > > Had I thought like you about Maryland, then I would have voted for Clinton. Does that make me not shameful then? No, strategic, just a bit risky. Had your state not gone for Clinton, at that point I still wouldn’t consider that shameful, just the result of a bad gamble. Had maryland gone for trump, and you were all “mea culpa” and all that, then that still wouldn’t be shameful, just a mistake in calculations. It is the people that are in the states where their votes mattered, who are still defending that they did the right thing by not voting for hillary, that I find quite annoying, though I do not know if I would go so far as to call shameful. There is something to be said for voting for her anyway, to shore up the popular vote, for whatever that is worth, but, as it’s worth very little, there’s really not all that much to be said there. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/174 "2018-03-06T20:34:09Z")
Well, had my state not gone for Clinton, then I would admit to being a moron for not voting for her. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/175 "2018-03-06T20:39:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t vote for Clinton in the general election. I don’t consider it shameful since my state was won by Clinton, and I knew that it would going into the election. I voted for the 3rd party candidate in the hopes that he would get enough votes for his party to receive matching federal funds. I don’t consider that shameful. First of all, that means you voted Libertarian which means you’re a special kind of stupid. Second of all, why would a Libertarian want the federal government to give them money? Oh right, more of the inconsistency of Libertarianism. See the first thing I said. Third of all, even if your vote doesn’t cost electoral votes, the more a candidate wins by, the more of a mandate that candidate will have. The more you win an election by, the more political capital you have. This is why Donald Trump is not content beating Hillary, he has to invent conspiracy theories about voter fraud because he got smoked by three million votes. Maybe if that was five million or even more, it’s more likely to instigate change. But because you’re a [precious snowflake](https://politics.theonion.com/precious-little-voter-needs-to-feel-inspired-by-candida-1819578715) any discussions about reforming the Electoral College are less likely to happen. Finally, when you had a chance to actually do something about a really terrible person who was demonstratively terrible on every level, you didn’t care enough to do everything you could to stop it. So go to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/176 "2018-03-06T20:48:17Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > First of all, that means you voted Libertarian which means you’re a special kind of stupid Seems harsh, since I didn’t vote for the person because of his views or the views of the Libertarian Party. > [@](#): > > Second of all, why would a Libertarian want the federal government to give them money? Oh right, more of the inconsistency of Libertarianism. See the first thing I said I don’t care about the inconsistency of Libertarianism. See above. > [@](#): > > Third of all, even if your vote doesn’t cost electoral votes, the more a candidate wins by, the more of a mandate that candidate will have. The more you win an election by, the more political capital you have. This is why Donald Trump is not content beating Hillary, he has to invent conspiracy theories about voter fraud because he got smoked by three million votes. Maybe if that was five million or even more, it’s more likely to instigate change. But because you’re a [precious snowflake](https://politics.theonion.com/precious-little-voter-needs-to-feel-inspired-by-candida-1819578715) any discussions about reforming the Electoral College are less likely to happen I don’t agree with this, nor do I care. > [@](#): > > Finally, when you had a chance to actually do something about a really terrible person who was demonstratively terrible on every level, you didn’t care enough to do everything you could to stop it. So go to hell. He didn’t get the electoral votes from my state. Seems like enough for me to do. Plus, I don’t think he was demonstratively terrible on every level. I loved watching him on The Apprentice. Was pretty funny! Still funny, actually! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/177 "2018-03-06T23:19:55Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Seems harsh, since I didn’t vote for the person because of his views or the views of the Libertarian Party. Oh, so you voted for a person in spite of his party and his views while helping an evil fascist get into the White House and dictate policy for the next 4-8 years. And in a year where supposedly everyone hated the two main candidates, the Libertarians had access on every ballot and unprecedented media coverage thanks to more networks and a proliferation of social media, they [didn’t even crack](https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php) that magic 5% barrier. So your vote was wasted on yet another level. You must be so proud. > [@](#): > > I don’t care about the inconsistency of Libertarianism. See above. [Derp](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RxoKUnb5cGY/VQWq5k1nOLI/AAAAAAAAQ5Q/Tmb5WWfP2Nw/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-03-15%2Bat%2B8.32.39%2BAM.png). > [@](#): > > I don’t agree with this, nor do I care. Because you are not smart. > [@](#): > > He didn’t get the electoral votes from my state. Seems like enough for me to do. Plus, I don’t think he was demonstratively terrible on every level. I loved watching him on The Apprentice. Was pretty funny! Still funny, actually! See above Re: You not smart. Donald Trump appreciated your support. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/178 "2018-03-07T06:48:36Z")
JSLE, I’m not sure that Onion piece is on your side. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Seems harsh, since I didn’t vote for the person because of his views or the views of the Libertarian Party. > > I don’t care about the inconsistency of Libertarianism. See above. So why did you vote Libertarian? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/179 "2018-03-07T13:45:36Z")
Pretty sure I explained it above. It could have been ANY party. A chance for a 3rd party to get matching Federal funds. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322/180 "2018-03-07T13:46:57Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Oh, so you voted for a person in spite of his party and his views while helping an evil fascist get into the White House and dictate policy for the next 4-8 years. Please explain how I helped Trump into office? What state are you in? Who won your state? I also don’t think he is an evil fascist, so there is that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bernie-go-to-hell-and-take-all-of-your-bros-with-you/809322.md?page=10)