# Hey Bluesman, a question for you **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2003, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916 "2003-05-13T10:27:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/21 "2003-05-13T12:23:40Z")
Judging by the skiddies left in my underwear, it certainly felt like it. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/22 "2003-05-13T12:29:44Z")
Just to clarify my statement, I just wanted to point out to **Lucretia** , that this message board has people of other nationalities. That should be considered when advising people that they should be more thankful for her husbandā€™s services. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/23 "2003-05-13T12:41:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anahita \* > \*\*Just to clarify my statement, I just wanted to point out to **Lucretia** , that this message board has people of other nationalities. That should be considered when advising people that they should be more thankful for her husbandā€™s services. \*\* You bloody Irishā€¦never grateful for anything are ya? šŸ˜ƒ (Just as a minor hijack, does the Traditional Music Festival in Miltown Malbay on the west coast still happen in July?? Iā€™ve been promising myself now for 8 years to make it, and with any luck, this year might be a go-er) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/24 "2003-05-13T12:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kambuckta \* > (Just as a minor hijack, does the Traditional Music Festival in Miltown Malbay on the west coast still happen in July?? Iā€™ve been promising myself now for 8 years to make it, and with any luck, this year might be a go-er) Donā€™t know about the Trad festival, but if you can make it over in November, the Ennis Trad festival will be on. > **[Use a Crypto Exchange or Bitcoin ATM - How to Access any Crypto Exchange with...](http://www.ennistradfestival.com/)** > > How to Access any Crypto Exchange with a Bitcoin ATM Although if Miltown Malbay is where your heart is set on, you could make it over for the Darlinā€™ Girl of Clare festival. [http://www.clarechampion.ie/00/aug/cc20000818/ge\_darl.htm](http://www.clarechampion.ie/00/aug/cc20000818/ge_darl.htm) Beauty contests, Irish country style. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/25 "2003-05-13T12:54:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anahita \* > \*\*Just to clarify my statement, I just wanted to point out to **Lucretia** , that this message board has people of other nationalities. That should be considered when advising people that they should be more thankful for her husbandā€™s services. \*\* That statement, along with the others youā€™ve posted in this thread, are some of the most arrogant Iā€™ve ever read on this board. The countries in this world do NOT exist in a vacuum. People of various nationalities were killed in the WTC on 9/11, and just this week, 20 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia. Although about half were Americans, the others were of various nationalities. And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/26 "2003-05-13T12:58:05Z")
Iā€™d just like to point out the obvious: Ā· **Bluesman** made the claims. **Bluesman** isnā€™t here to defend himself from attack. Ā· **Lucretia** feels compelled to defend **Bluesman**. Thatā€™s perfectly understandable. However, attacking **Lucretia** , no matter how satisfying that may be, isnā€™t the same as attacking **Bluesman**. Cut her some slack, please. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/27 "2003-05-13T12:58:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > **And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight.** Umā€¦ maybe thatā€™s because Ireland is a **neutral** countryā€¦? However, despite this, Bertie Ahern went against the peopleā€™s will and the constitution to allow US planes to refuel at Shannon airport. ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/28 "2003-05-13T12:58:56Z")
Aiiiiā€¦(looks in can of worms)ā€¦ All Iā€™m saying is (and Iā€™m not representing Ireland, Iran or the USA as an expatriate) that I have a right to decide whom I should feel thankful to and why. I find it unfortunate that you label anyone not appreciating your (US) armed services and intelligence officers (Iā€™m assuming that is what capacity **Bluesman** is employed in) enough as arrogant. Iā€™m not insulting his work; Iā€™m merely pointing out that I donā€™t feel he did anything to ā€˜keep me safe.ā€™ She clarified she was referring to the OP with that comment, so itā€™s up to him to come back and respond if he wishes. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/29 "2003-05-13T13:00:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*The countries in this world do NOT exist in a vacuum. People of various nationalities were killed in the WTC on 9/11, and just this week, 20 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia. Although about half were Americans, the others were of various nationalities. And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight. > > Robin \*\* Furthermore, most of the world was behind the US after 9/11. That, and Bali, and the (probable) al-Qaeda attacks yesterday, are NOT the same thing as Iraq, despite what the US administration is implying. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/30 "2003-05-13T13:01:18Z")
Triple simul-post. Thatā€™s fairly rare. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/31 "2003-05-13T13:02:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*That statement, along with the others youā€™ve posted in this thread, are some of the most arrogant Iā€™ve ever read on this board. > > The countries in this world do NOT exist in a vacuum. People of various nationalities were killed in the WTC on 9/11, and just this week, 20 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia. Although about half were Americans, the others were of various nationalities. And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight. > > Robin \*\* Ireland is a Neutral country (even though we allowed U.S. planes refuel at Shannon (and there was alot of protest at that)). Our standing army is involved in peacekeeping missions around the world. If the peacekeeping missions in Iraq were under U.S. control you could extect to see a delegation of Irish soldiers out there. In other words, donā€™t chide my country unless you know what the hell you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/32 "2003-05-13T13:04:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucretia \* > \*\*I donā€™t recall aiming any comments at you at all. I was aiming them at the OP. \*\* Who isnā€™t American either. Now Iā€™m sure your devotion and pride with regards to your husband is a wonderful example to us all, but youā€™ll excuse me if I recall just how insulting and desparaging he was to various people in the thread I linked to, as well as the one he originally gatecrashed about peace protests. He made bold claims about how people would be proved very wrongā€¦and frankly I would like to see some sort of reasonable answer as to when this is going to happen. Failing that, what should I do but presume he was talking complete bollocks? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBill \* > \*\*Would the collapse of Western Financial Markets negatively affect most Westerners? ā€œProtectā€ does not need to mean from physical, bodily harm. \*\* And pray tell how was this terrible collapse of the western economy likely to happen, and how did your NSA prevent it? And if anyone dares answer that they have proof of it but they canā€™t show me for reasons of national security I may have to resort to nasty words. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/33 "2003-05-13T13:14:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*That statement, along with the others youā€™ve posted in this thread, are some of the most arrogant Iā€™ve ever read on this board. > > The countries in this world do NOT exist in a vacuum. People of various nationalities were killed in the WTC on 9/11, and just this week, 20 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia. Although about half were Americans, the others were of various nationalities. And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight. > > Robin \*\* Robin, with all due respect, the WTC attack was not perpetrated by ā€˜Iraqisā€™ (as representing the Iraqi govt, is what I mean). Indeed, the culprits WERE Muslim fundamentalists, but to connect them to the Iraqi regime directly seems somewhat naive. The ā€˜terroristā€™ issue and the ā€˜Saddamā€™ problem are two quite seperate things. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/34 "2003-05-13T13:17:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*The countries in this world do NOT exist in a vacuum. People of various nationalities were killed in the WTC on 9/11, and just this week, 20 people were killed in a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia. Although about half were Americans, the others were of various nationalities. And I donā€™t exactly see Ireland stepping up to the plate to help the US in this fight. > > Robin \*\* What do the terrorist attacks of 9/11 have to do with WMD (or maybe the lack thereof) in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/35 "2003-05-13T13:20:47Z")
Why the fuck would Ireland step up to the plate to help in a bullshit war based on lies and shite even if we were a country capable of helping. Iā€™m glad that not a lot of allied troops got killed carrying out their orders but I have no feelings of pride or gratefulness to them. They were not fighting/working for my freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/36 "2003-05-13T13:29:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yojimbo \* > \*\*Why the fuck would Ireland step up to the plate to help in a bullshit war based on lies and shite even if we were a country capable of helping. > > Iā€™m glad that not a lot of allied troops got killed carrying out their orders but I have no feelings of pride or gratefulness to them. They were not fighting/working for my freedom. \*\* Ironically, Ms. Robyn finds that opinion arrogant, but not the opinion that we should all support ā€˜ourā€™ country. Oh, and with regards to Shannon Airport, yes, there was great protest DEMOCRATICALLY to the refueling of US planes to go to Iraq. There was no such protest to supporting the US after 9/11. There was great commiseration and sorrow, throughout the world, even in countries that had no citizens injured or killed. Even the mayor of Tehran sent his condolences to the mayor of New York City. "Tehranā€™s mayor, Morteza Alviri, has sent a letter of condolence to New Yorkā€™s mayor, Rudolph Giuliani. ā€œThe news about the recent terrorist acts which took many innocent lives in New York caused deep grief and sorrow,ā€ said the message. ā€œUndoubtedly this act is not just against New Yorkers, but all humanity.ā€ > **[The Times & The Sunday Times](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/)** > > News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times Iraq is another matter entirely. I donā€™t wish to see the two issues confused in order to make anyone who doesnā€™t support the ā€˜warā€™ in Iraq look anti-American. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/37 "2003-05-13T13:32:45Z")
I wasnā€™t specifically addressing Iraq. I was pointing out that foreign nationals were killed in 9/11 and in Saudi Arabia; not just Americans. And the coalition wasnā€™t as broad as it was in 1991. What I read was, ā€œYou donā€™t speak for meā€. What I said was, ā€œThe heck we donā€™t.ā€ Robin ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/38 "2003-05-13T13:37:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yojimbo \* > \*\* Iā€™m glad that not a lot of allied troops got killed carrying out their orders but I have no feelings of pride or gratefulness to them. They were not fighting/working for my freedom. \*\* Hell, Iā€™m American and I feel that way. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/39 "2003-05-13T13:40:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > **What I read was, ā€œYou donā€™t speak for meā€. What I said was, "The heck we donā€™t."** Eh? ---
**Author:** ![Anahita](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9a28c/32.png) [@Anahita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anahita)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916/40 "2003-05-13T13:43:35Z")
**MsRobyn** , are you saying you _do_ (as a US citizenā€“albeit a very vocal one, with her own personal views on matters) speak for citizens of the entire world. Man, thatā€™s some microphone you got there. Oh, and _Iā€™m_ the one who is arrogant. Must remember that. (It is really funny, in a sad sort of way.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-bluesman-a-question-for-you/174916.md?page=3)