# Hey Catholics Don't send your daughters to College

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [September 12, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709 "2013-09-12T21:55:28Z")\
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**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/41 "2013-09-13T15:13:33Z")

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Why does the thread title put me in mind of Willie Nelson?

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**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/42 "2013-09-13T15:15:21Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> How do I get this to happen? Pepper Mill is sexually active with me, but she can see my faults with crystal clarity.

One word: Foreplay. 😃

> [@lavenderviolet](#):
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> 😕 Who gave you the idea that guys should be indiscriminately spreading their seed around? Looking at all the fatherless kids out there nowadays, I would say that’s pretty close to the last thing that society needs.
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> Having grown up Catholic, I never felt like there was a double standard about this. As an adult, I am friends with two single guys who are both serious Catholics and both are chaste.

Most religions I know would place the blame for fatherless children on wayward, loose women not saving themselves for marriage. Not men failing to control themselves or take responsibility for their behavior.

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**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/43 "2013-09-13T15:32:11Z")

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> [@lavenderviolet](#):
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> 😕 Who gave you the idea that guys should be indiscriminately spreading their seed around? Looking at all the fatherless kids out there nowadays, I would say that’s pretty close to the last thing that society needs.
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> Having grown up Catholic, I never felt like there was a double standard about this. As an adult, I am friends with two single guys who are both serious Catholics and both are chaste.

There’s a solution: accurate sex-ed and easy availability of long-acting reversible contraception; or, failing that, combination of two methods, such as condoms and withdrawal. The Dutch (among others) have very low rates of unplanned pregnancies, STDs, and the like.

Anecdotes are not data, but there’s a good chance those two Papists you know just can’t get laid.

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/44 "2013-09-13T15:37:01Z")

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> [@Gedd](#):
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> Good thing it’s ethereal! It can fit anywhere!  
> 😃

That ain’t gonna fly with Sister Mary Impedimentia.

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/45 "2013-09-13T15:59:09Z")

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> [@aNewLeaf](#):
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> A.k.a. sexually transmitted demons.

[It could happen!!](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ghostbuster-conducts-sexorcism-cops-article-1.1437165)

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**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/46 "2013-09-13T16:01:59Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Once she becomes sexually active with him, she releases hormones that mask his faults, and she remains in a dreamy state about him.

> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> How do I get this to happen? Pepper Mill is sexually active with me, but she can see my faults with crystal clarity.

Gouge her eyes out?

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> It is one thing to advise our daughter of this reality in ordinary situations, but placing her into an environment that will tempt her to lose this barrier is unfair to her.

“Our” daughter? :dubious:

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/47 "2013-09-13T16:12:20Z")

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My grandfather refused to let my mother go to college. She had a full scholarship. I’m sure today she would have just gone anyway but this was the early 50s. I guess good Italian Catholic girls didn’t go to college then. But it was Ok for a 17 year old high school graduate to take the ferry into the city everyday and work as a secretary on Wall St. Lucky for him he didn’t live to see _Mad Men_.

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**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/48 "2013-09-13T18:20:27Z")

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Just another internet kook. They’re a dime a dozen. At this point I don’t see what the point is in getting upset about them. If you can think of a preposterous opinion, you can bet that there’s a website somewhere seriously expounding it.

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**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/49 "2013-09-13T18:21:16Z")

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I bet these “Fix the Family” people are Latin Massers. They claim to be faithful to Church teaching, but some of the stuff on their web site sound a little bit too much like the SSPX\* nonsense.

“Society of St. Pius X,” or something like that. Google them if you’re curious.

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**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/50 "2013-09-13T20:14:59Z")

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> [@Valgard](#):
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> Anyone who thinks that a woman is LESS sensitive to a man’s faults after they are married is obviously unqualified to be giving relationship advice.
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> 😃

I can’t find the study, but I swear I’ve seen one that indicates happily married couples routinely perceive their partners as better than they actually are, overestimating their abilities and virtues. I dunno if hormones have anything to do with it though. Personally I believe it, because I am happily married and I don’t think it’s possible for me to think any more highly of my husband than I already do.

Incidentally, googling ‘‘marriage study’’ with various permutations of the above subject yields a high quantity of Bible quotes and Christian counseling websites.

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/51 "2013-09-13T20:44:06Z")

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> [@Spice\_Weasel](#):
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> I can’t find the study, but I swear I’ve seen one that indicates happily married couples routinely perceive their partners as better than they actually are, overestimating their abilities and virtues.

\<Michael Bolton\> o/` When a maaaaan loves a womaaaan... o/` \<MB\>

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**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/52 "2013-09-13T20:44:25Z")

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> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#):
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> The priest advises couples on sex. He has never had sex.  
> He advises them on money. He has never had money.  
> He advises them on children. He has never had children.  
> \<snip\>

2 out of 3 aint bad. _Meatloaf_

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**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/53 "2013-09-13T21:01:08Z")

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> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> That is truly bizarre…the actual Church encourages education for everyone. These throwback traditional Catholic types are whacked.

Seriously. Jesuits, anyone?

I went to Catholic schools K-12 and we had bitchin’ science classes. I clearly remember being in 1st grade and the teacher explaining that God didn’t _really_ create the world in 7 days, but that since God has always existed, millions or even BILLIONS of years would feel as short as a single day does to us. Evolution and the scientific method were extensively covered. Hell, in high school religion classes, we were explicitly _encouraged_ to question and doubt - how genuine and strong can your faith really be if you never actually examine it? When someone asked what about if you end up not believing in _anything_ after questioning, the teacher said that God would miss you but be proud and hope you decide to return, but would never stop loving you. I think that’s pretty impressive for a religious school.

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**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/54 "2013-09-13T21:14:46Z")

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> [@zweisamkeit](#):
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> Seriously. Jesuits, anyone?
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> I went to Catholic schools K-12 and we had bitchin’ science classes. I clearly remember being in 1st grade and the teacher explaining that God didn’t _really_ create the world in 7 days, but that since God has always existed, millions or even BILLIONS of years would feel as short as a single day does to us. Evolution and the scientific method were extensively covered. Hell, in high school religion classes, we were explicitly _encouraged_ to question and doubt - how genuine and strong can your faith really be if you never actually examine it? When someone asked what about if you end up not believing in _anything_ after questioning, the teacher said that God would miss you but be proud and hope you decide to return, but would never stop loving you. I think that’s pretty impressive for a religious school.

Yes, my husband was educated by the Dominicans, and he reports a very similar experience.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/55 "2013-09-13T21:49:50Z")

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> [@Spice\_Weasel](#):
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> I can’t find the study, but I swear I’ve seen one that indicates happily married couples routinely perceive their partners as better than they actually are, overestimating their abilities and virtues.

See [choice-supportive bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choice-supportive_bias) and [post-purchase rationalization](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization).

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**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/56 "2013-09-13T21:50:39Z")

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> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> Yes, my husband was educated by the Dominicans, and he reports a very similar experience.

I had mostly the Sisters of Joseph for some of Elementary and all of High School. We did evolution, geology, etc. Religion never made it into any class besides theology. And in our theology classes we discussed other religions like Buddhism and stuff. As I mentioned before, we also covered sex ed including birth control, condom use, etc (it, like many of my classes, was taught by a layperson). The only thing that never came up was abortion. It just wasn’t discussed at all as far as I can remember. The only thing the school ever got preachy about, to the best of my recollection, was war and the death penalty (it was against both, don’t feel like I should need to say that, but…).

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/57 "2013-09-13T21:53:40Z")

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> [@MonkeyMensch](#):
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> Why does the thread title put me in mind of Willie Nelson?

If you **do** send your daughter to college, for Og’s sake don’t let her major in Cowboy Studies!

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**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/58 "2013-09-13T21:55:13Z")

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> [@Ca3799](#):
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> She teaches them that having sex causes females to release a ‘love hormone’ and that if one has unmarried sex or multiple partners, one will ‘use up’ all the ‘love hormone’ and won’t have any left over for her husband!

Does she believe it, or is she lying to them deliberately?

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/59 "2013-09-13T21:59:39Z")

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> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> Yes, my husband was educated by the Dominicans, and he reports a very similar experience.

Dominicans once headed up the Inquisition. They had such a nasty reputation that they were known jocularly as the _Domini cani_ (dogs of God). Perhaps they’ve changed.

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**Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/60 "2013-09-14T00:40:38Z")

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And God said “Thou shalt not attend college for it is full of debauchery and sin.” And Catholic parents rejoiced knowing their daughters will forever be stuck working crappy jobs like retail sales or stripping.

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