# Hey Catholics Don't send your daughters to College **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709 "2013-09-12T21:55:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/61 "2013-09-14T02:44:52Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > (headdesk) > > What about women’s only colleges? Oh, they’re way worse. It’s all “experimentation” and naked pillow fights as far as the eye can see. I’ve seen movies about it. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/62 "2013-09-14T03:25:08Z")
“Dreamy state”? WTF? So the dreaminess of love should happen only after the marriage vows? 😕 Are these nitwits suggesting we should go back to something like arranged marriages where women are supposed to fall in love with their husbands after the wedding eventually, if they happen to be lucky? Maybe the couple should be introduced to each other at the wedding ceremony. Christ, and I grew up a Jehovah’s Witness, and I heard a lot of claptrap in my time there. But they never suggested that a couple shouldn’t fall in love before marriage. Frickin’ prude-arama ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/63 "2013-09-14T10:54:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Does she believe it, or is she lying to them deliberately? We are OB-GYN nurses so I have to believe she knows better, but folks with deep seated bias seem to be able to turn any facts to their favor with their whole heart, so I just don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/64 "2013-09-14T12:55:56Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > One word: Foreplay. 😃 > > r. Sex isnt the problem, nor is lack of foreplay. She just never seems to achieve a sufficiently dreamy state to overlook my faults. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/65 "2013-09-14T13:22:38Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > He’s right. College _is_ a hotbed of immoral activity I certain _hope_ so, because it sure was back when I was a student! Isn’t that the point? > [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Yes, my husband was educated by the Dominicans, and he reports a very similar experience. Dominicans are OK in a pinch, but there’s just nothing quite like a real _Cubano_! ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/66 "2013-09-14T17:29:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I certain _hope_ so, because it sure was back when I was a student! > > Isn’t that the point? > > Dominicans are OK in a pinch, but there’s just nothing quite like a real _Cubano_! Ha ha, my husband would agree with that, too…he’s Cuban! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/67 "2013-09-14T17:35:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Dominicans once headed up the Inquisition. They had such a nasty reputation that they were known jocularly as the _Domini cani_ (dogs of God). Perhaps they’ve changed. Likely not. I’ll ask my husband if they still had Torture Techniques for Heretics 101 back in the 80s when he was in HS. ---
**Author:** ![thisrty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@thisrty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thisrty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/68 "2013-09-14T17:50:38Z")
This is my very first post. I’d just like to say that I am so glad I finally found a forum with plenty of intellectual substance. I, too was educated by catholic nuns and priests. I did appreciate the strict discipline at the time, but only in terms of education for I wasn’t fulfilled in the moral arena as I expected I would be. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/69 "2013-09-14T21:06:53Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Seriously. Jesuits, anyone? Heck, or the Opus Dei, who insist in the idea (that their founder would have thought absolutely horrifying) that people should live like 19th century bourgoisie, but who are up to their eyebrows in educational institutions… A friend of mine was forced by his parents to live in an OD-owned all-boys’ dorm for his first year of college. There were many things he disliked about the place, but what turned his stomach was the treatment the girls working there as cleaners and waitressed got; for example, they were not allowed to speak with the boys at all, not to answer a question or to ask whether one of them wanted seconds. But you know what, those girls were getting room, board, those horribly-dowdy clothes they had to wear, tuition, materials (books etc.), and a salary. Putting up with that crap put them through college! I think the shit quoted in the OP is the first time I’ve heard the Opus Dei accused of being a den of iniquity. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/70 "2013-09-15T00:11:49Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > The priest advises couples … on children. He has never had children. …except maybe the occaissional altar boy. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/71 "2013-09-15T00:49:00Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Heck, or the Opus Dei, who insist in the idea (that their founder would have thought absolutely horrifying) that people should live like 19th century bourgoisie, but who are up to their eyebrows in educational institutions… > > A friend of mine was forced by his parents to live in an OD-owned all-boys’ dorm for his first year of college. There were many things he disliked about the place, but what turned his stomach was the treatment the girls working there as cleaners and waitressed got; for example, they were not allowed to speak with the boys at all, not to answer a question or to ask whether one of them wanted seconds. > > But you know what, those girls were getting room, board, those horribly-dowdy clothes they had to wear, tuition, materials (books etc.), and a salary. Putting up with that crap put them through college! > > I think the shit quoted in the OP is the first time I’ve heard the Opus Dei accused of being a den of iniquity. Yeah, this guy’s insane. OD is extremely conservative. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/72 "2013-09-15T00:56:06Z")
**Saintly Loser** , looking at the “About” sections and the founders’ bios on the “Fix the Family” site it looks like they may not be full-blast SSPXers (they mention they teach total adherence to the Vatican and Pope Francis) but still are hanging out petty close to it. Looks more, though, like a subfaction with a particular hangup on M/F/family roles way beyond anything contained in the actual magisterium. In the context of the article linked by the OP, it’s telling that they are homeschoolers – even for primary and secondary education it is suspect to let the kids to mix around even with mainstream Catholics under the eye of official Religious staff, it seems, since one of their blog posts states: _“But even Catholic schools when you go to their events there are teaching and training the girls to excel and dominate, to strive and succeed—with relatively little encouragement to the boys”_. And the site has several sermons on “resurrecting Manhood” and almost every page of their blog brings up something about “feminists” more than once. The Church alas can’t kick them out on the basis of mere “wingnuttery” or “batshittude” until they break some actual rule… Why do I get the impression that members of the orders of Ladies of the Sacred Heart or Sisters of Notre Dame would not mind a few moments with these guys and a yardstick ruler… * * * ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/73 "2013-09-15T01:20:54Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Heck, or the Opus Dei, who insist in the idea (that their founder would have thought absolutely horrifying) that people should live like 19th century bourgoisie, but who are up to their eyebrows in educational institutions… 😕 So were the 19th-Century bourgeoisie. ---
**Author:** ![thisrty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@thisrty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thisrty)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/74 "2013-09-15T02:29:55Z")
:d > [@42fish](#): > > …except maybe the occaissional altar boy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/75 "2013-09-15T05:13:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > 😕 So were the 19th-Century bourgeoisie. Yes, where they were, which they weren’t everywhere or for everybody (may I recommend “Three Guineas”? Virginia Woolf was born at the tail-end of the 19th century, but what she says about what’s expected of “girls of good breeding” is “handle with safety gloves” material). But what I mean is that OD’s founder spoke to early-20th Century Barcelonese bourgeoisie who in many ways were still stuck in 19th-century attitudes (and remember those were a lot more sexist than those of previous centuries), giving specific examples (parables, if you wish) referring to the way his parishioners actually lived and worked and saw life, telling them to basically “do what you have to do in joy; make your duties be Works of Love, Works of Joy, God’s Works” - and the people in OD treat lines such as “when a wife prepares a meal for her husband, let her do it joyfully” to mean “women must cook, men must not”, rather than a reflection of the people whom Escrivà de Balaguer was adressing. Sort of like grabbing the parable of the Good Shepherd and saying “ok, guys, no industrial jobs for us!” Th-th-th-that’s not what it means, folks! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/76 "2013-09-15T08:22:57Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Sort of like grabbing the parable of the Good Shepherd and saying “ok, guys, no industrial jobs for us!” Th-th-th-that’s not what it means, folks! :smack: No, it means good Christians should fuck sheep like a Good Shepherd. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/77 "2013-09-15T13:13:28Z")
I would not call all their views outside the teachings of the Catholic Church, they do teach a woman is supposed to be obedient and submissive, the man being in charge. > [@](#): > > 1. Domestic society being confirmed, therefore, by this bond of love, there should flourish in it that “order of love,” as St. Augustine calls it. This order includes both the primacy of the husband with regard to the wife and children, the ready subjection of the wife and **her willing obedience** , which the Apostle commends in these words: “Let women be subject to their husbands as to the Lord, because the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ is the head of the Church.” Quote: > [@](#): > > For if the man is the head, the woman is the heart, and as **he occupies the chief place in ruling** , so she may and ought to claim for herself the chief place in love. They don’t like women working either. > [@](#): > > 1. The same false teachers who try to dim the luster of conjugal faith and purity do not scruple to do away with the honorable and trusting obedience which the woman owes to the man. Many of them even go further and assert that such a **subjection of one party to the other is unworthy of human dignity, that the rights of husband and wife are equal** ; wherefore, they boldly proclaim the emancipation of women has been or ought to be effected. This emancipation in their ideas must be threefold, in the ruling of the domestic society, in the administration of family affairs and in the rearing of the children. It must be social, economic, physiological: - physiological, that is to say, the woman is to be freed at her own good pleasure from the burdensome duties properly belonging to a wife as companion and mother (We have already said that this is not an emancipation but a crime); social, inasmuch as the wife being freed from the cares of children and family, should, to the neglect of these, be able to follow her own bent and devote herself to business and even public affairs; finally economic, whereby the woman even without the knowledge and against the wish of her husband may be at liberty to conduct and administer her own affairs, giving her attention chiefly to these rather than to children, husband and family. > > 2. This, however, **is not the true emancipation of woman** , nor that rational and exalted liberty which belongs to the noble office of a Christian woman and wife; it is rather the debasing of the womanly character and the dignity of motherhood, and indeed of the whole family, as a result of which the husband suffers the loss of his wife, the children of their mother, and the home and the whole family of an ever watchful guardian. More than this, this **false liberty and unnatural equality** with the husband is to the detriment of the woman herself, for if the woman descends from her truly regal throne to which she has been raised within the walls of the home by means of the Gospel, she will soon be reduced to the old state of slavery (if not in appearance, certainly in reality) and become as amongst the pagans the mere instrument of man. CASTI CONNUBII [http://www.vatican.va/holy\_father/pi...nnubii\_en.html](http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pi...nnubii_en.html) I really encourage you to read this rather tedious wordy document, if any Catholic holds a romantic view of marriage, this will be a shock. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/78 "2013-09-15T16:31:37Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > I really encourage you to read this rather tedious wordy document, if any Catholic holds a romantic view of marriage, this will be a shock. You’re referring to _Casti Connubii_. That’s from around 1930, right? You could find plenty of non-Catholics, even atheists, who thought pretty much the same thing. The Church has gotten a bit better since then. And in any event, _Casti Connubii_ was an encyclical. A teaching letter. Not binding teaching of the Church. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/79 "2013-09-15T16:38:43Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > **Saintly Loser** , looking at the “About” sections and the founders’ bios on the “Fix the Family” site it looks like they may not be full-blast SSPXers (they mention they teach total adherence to the Vatican and Pope Francis) but still are hanging out petty close to it. I did notice that they put their supposed fidelity to the Holy See and Pope Francis right up front. So they’re not actual schismatics, like the SSPX were (I guess they aren’t schismatic anymore since Benedict’s unfortunate decision to let them back in). But their views on the education of women are quite similar to those of the SSPX. I distinctly remember a publication of the SSPX that took pretty much the same position (that women should not have higher eduction), although, the SSPX being who they are, the language was a lot stronger in their version. If I get some time later, I’ll see if I can find it online somewhere, although that’s become harder as the SSPX tries to clean up its image in the interest of reconciliation with the Church (it’s next to impossible to find some of their anti-Semitic rants lately, let alone the Holocaust-denial stuff). ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709/80 "2013-09-15T20:54:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If you **do** send your daughter to college, for Og’s sake don’t let her major in Cowboy Studies! Oh gosh! I was going to attach the following to the OP today. But you have it all set up for me, and I don’t mean your use of my name in vain! \ Poppas, don’t let your daughters grow up to be “sow-girls” … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-catholics-dont-send-your-daughters-to-college/668709.md?page=5)