# Hey, "Crazy Eyes" Michelle, now are you starting to get it? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261 "2011-08-27T02:58:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/61 "2011-08-29T13:53:40Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > bolding mine > > Just for my own curiosity how do you explain conservative organizations like this? > > [http://cofcc.org/category/black-culture/](http://cofcc.org/category/black-culture/) > > Council of Conservative Citizens I’d start by explaining that they are a very tiny fringe group whose methods and beliefs are not typical of the average American conservative. There doesn’t seem to be much information as to how many members that group has - near as I can find the number is around 15,000 people ([cite](http://www.adl.org/mwd/ccc.asp)) scattered over 17 states - yet approximately 80 million conservatives voted in the last election, which of course doesn’t include conservatives who either didn’t vote or voted for Obama due to unhappiness with GWB or McCain/Palin, so the total number of adult conservatives in America is likely to be closer to 100 million or so. To suggest that this group represents the average American conservative would be analogous to judging America’s entire white population by the activities and attitudes of the Hell’s Angels. The CoCC is a tiny fringe group and is utterly insignificant in terms of influence and votership. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/62 "2011-08-29T16:18:30Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Fact: Republicans are not only perfectly happy to have blacks, females, and Hispanics in their party, but have thus far been in the vanguard of elevating them to high level government positions. I’m reminded of James G Watt (also a Republican): “I have a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple…” That’s all I got to say 'bout that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/63 "2011-08-29T16:34:40Z")
Watt was also reported to have said “all blacks want is a tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit.”. A reporter is supposed to have heard him say that during a flight. He was pretty crude. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/64 "2011-08-29T17:10:12Z")
That would be Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz, and it cost him his job. The line originates with the legendary “Slim” Pickens, who was referring to himself: “You boys know me, all I want is a tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit, and I’m fine!” Slim Pickens named his eldest son “Easy”, and is widely reputed to be the most likeable man who ever lived. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/65 "2011-08-29T17:10:19Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Watt was also reported to have said “all blacks want is a tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit.” That was Earl Butz, Sec’y of Agriculture under Presidents Nixon and Ford > **[Earl Butz | Scandals and resignation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz#Scandals_and_resignation)** > > At the 1974 World Food Conference in Rome, Butz made fun of Pope Paul VI's opposition to "population control" by quipping, in a mock Italian accent: "He no playa the game, he no maka the rules." A spokesman for Cardinal Cooke of the New York archdiocese demanded an apology, and the White House requested that he apologize. Butz issued a statement saying that he had not "intended to impugn the motives or the integrity of any religious group, ethnic group or religious leader". Throug News outlets r... ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/66 "2011-08-29T17:14:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d start by explaining that they are a very tiny fringe group whose methods and beliefs are not typical of the average American conservative. … The CoCC is a tiny fringe group and is utterly insignificant in terms of influence and votership. That insignificant fringe group’s members included Senators Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond and Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/67 "2011-08-29T17:15:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d start by explaining that they are a very tiny fringe group whose methods and beliefs are not typical of the average American conservative. … The CoCC is a tiny fringe group and is utterly insignificant in terms of influence and votership. All of which answers a question not asked. Indeed, overt racism has become socially and politically unacceptable in America, and that is all to the good. If you wish to believe that this is due to the bold leadership of conservatives, you are welcome to do so, but I did caution you that tequila and bongwater is not for amatuers such as yourself. But it leaves untouched the fact that they labeled _themselves_ “conservative”, presumably to appeal to like-minded people. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/68 "2011-08-29T17:28:06Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > That insignificant fringe group’s members included Senators Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond and Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott. Among other [notables](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Conservative_Citizens). To be fair the membership of the Hell’s Angels includes the following sitting Governors, Congressmen, Senators, and Presidential candidates; Yeah, I got nothing, but I’m sure **SA** will put his leet citin’ skilz to work on that list for us . . . but I wouldn’t hold my breath. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/69 "2011-08-29T17:28:51Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Let’s see, there was Jimi of course ; Mister Richie Havens ; Swami Satchinadanda ; Ravi Shankar ; Sly & the Family Stone ; Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young (no, wait, Bill Crosby wasn’t in that band, scratch that) ; Joan Baez is half Latina… plenty of non-whites at Woodstock. Not 100% sure, but I think he meant the crowd, not the perfomers. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/70 "2011-08-29T19:17:09Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Not 100% sure, but I think he meant the crowd, not the perfomers. Of course he did, but the line up is still indicative that the “movement” itself was colour blind - if there were black people making psychedelic music, one assumes there were also black people listening to it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/71 "2011-08-29T23:11:07Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Of course he did, but the line up is still indicative that the “movement” itself was colour blind Of course the movement was colorblind. That’s the whole point. You can’t just look at a gathering of mostly white people and conclude ipso facto that racism explains why more people of other groups aren’t there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/72 "2011-08-29T23:49:44Z")
Up until that point in time, up until the very social changes that Mudstock represents…it was a perfectly valid presumption. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/73 "2011-08-30T01:20:36Z")
It was a valid presumption with both parties. Segregation ruled the day and there weren’t a hell of a lot of black people at the Democrat conventions prior to the late sixties either. So when the tide turned - thanks primarily to the efforts of MLK, sympathetic, non-violent, dignified marchers and young black schoolgirls seeking merely a good education - all boats were raised. Trouble is, the left keeps refusing to acknowledge that any boats but theirs rode the tide, and the successes of women and minorities in the Republican party today demonstrates clearly that this is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/74 "2011-08-30T01:40:10Z")
True, we should take a moment to acknowledge the many, many Republican leaders who bravely forged ahead on civil rights. Their names escape me for the moment, but, no doubt, you have them at your fingertips. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/75 "2011-08-30T01:45:16Z")
Don’t need any. It’s been a party wide movement, and, as I believe I’ve demonstrated irrefutably, the results are plain for all to see. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/76 "2011-08-30T01:48:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Don’t need any. It’s been a party wide movement, and, as I believe I’ve demonstrated irrefutably, the results are plain for all to see. It can truly be said that the Republicans is one of the top two parties on civil rights issues in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/77 "2011-08-30T04:25:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Up until that point in time, up until the very social changes that Mudstock represents…it was a perfectly valid presumption. Uh, not quite. The success of women and minorities in the Republican party is proving to be a very difficult pill for you guys to swallow, isn’t it? 😃 Fortunately we have the internet now so your claims are much easier to refute. I’ve compiled a list of Republican congresswomen going all the way back to the early days of the 20th century. Would you like me to list them? Ah, what the hell, I’ll do it anyway… House of Representatives: Jeannette Rankin, Montana, 1917-1919, 1941-1943 Alice Mary Robertson, Oklahoma, 1921-1923 Winnifred Huck, Illinois, 1922-1923 Mae Nola, California, 1923-1925 Florence Prag Kahn, California, 1925-1937 Edith Nourse Rogers, Massachusetts, 1925-1960 Katherine Langley, Kentucky, 1927-1931 Ruth Hannah McCormick, Illinois, 1929-1931 Ruth Baker Pratt, New York, 1929-1933 Marian C. Clarke, New York, 1933-1935 Jessie Sumner, Illinois, 1939-1947 Frances P. Bolton, Ohio, 1940-1969 Margaret Chase Smith, Maine, 1940-1949 Clare Booth Luce, Connecticut, 1943-1947 Winifred C. Stanley, New York, 1943-1945 Georgia lee Lusk, New Mexico, 1943-1949 Katherine St. George, New York, 1947-1965 Cecil M. Harden, Indiana, 1949-1959 Marguerite S. Church, Illinois, 1951-1963 Ruth Thompson, Michigan, 1951-1957 Elizabeth P. Farrington, Hawaii, 1954-1957 Florence Dwyer, New Jersey, 1957-1973 Catherine Dean May, Washington, 1959-1971 Edna Oakes Simpson, Illinois, 1959-1961 Jessica m. Weis, New York, 1959-1963 Louise Goff Reece, Tennessee, 1961-1963 Charlotte Thompson Reid, Illinois, 1963-1971 Irene Baker, Tennessee, 1964-1965 Margaret M. Heckler, Massachusetts, 1967-1983 Marjorie Sewell Holt, Maryland, 1983-1987 Millicent Fenwick, New Jersey, 1975-1983 Virgina Dodd Smith, Nebraska, 1975-1991 Shirley Neil Pettis, 1975-1979 Olympia Snowe, Maine, House 1979-1995 Bobbi Fiedler, California, 1981-1987 Lynn Morley Martin, 1981-1999 Margaret Roukema, New Jersey, 1981-2003 Claudine Schneider, Rhode Island, 1981-1991 Jean Ashbrook, Ohio, 1982-1983 Nancy Lee Johnson, Connecticut, 1983-2007 Barbara Farrell Bucanovich, Nevada, 1983-1987 Helen Delich Bentley, Maryland, 1985-1995 Jan Meyers, Kansas, 1985-1997 Constance A. Morella, Maryland, 1987-2003 Patricia Fukuda Saiki, Hawaii, 1987-1991 Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida, 1989-present Susan Molinari, New York, 1990-1997 Jennifer Dunn, Washington, 1993-2005 Tillie Fowler, Florida, 1993-2001 Deborah Pryce, Ohio, 1993-2009 Helen Chenowith-Hage, Idaho, 1995-2001 Barbara Cubin, Wyoming, 1995-2009 Sue Kelly, New York, 1995-2007 Sue Myrick, North Carolina, 1995-present Andrea Seastrand, California, 1995-1997 Linda Smith, Washington, 1995-1999 Enid Greene Waldholtz, Utah, 1995-1997 Jo Ann Emerson, Missouri, 1996-present Kay Granger, Texas, 1997-present Anne Northup, Kentucky, 1997-2007 Mary Bono, California, 1998-present Heather Wilson, New Mexico, 1998-2009 Judith Borg Biggert, Illinois, 1999-present Shelley Moore Capito, West Virginia, 2001-present Jo Ann Davis, Virginia, 2001-2007 Melissa Hart, Pennsylvania, 2001-2007 Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee, 2003-present Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida, 2003-2011 Katherine Harris, 2003-2007 Candice Miller, Michigan, 2003-present Marilyn Musgrave, Colorado, 2003-2009 Thelma Drake, Virginia, 2005-2009 Virginia Foxx, North Carolina, 2005-present Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Washington, 2005-present Jean Schmidt, Ohio, 2005-present Shelley Sekula-Gibbs, Texas, 2006-2007 Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota, 2007-present Mary Fallin, Oklahoma, 2007-2011 Lynn Jenkins, Kansas, 2009-present Cynthia Lummis, Wyoming, 2009-present Sandy Adams, Florida, 2011-present Diane Black, Tennessee, 2011-present Ann Marie Buerkle, New York, 2011-present Renee Elmers, North Carolina, 2011-present Vicky Hartzler, Missouri, 2011-present Nan Hayworth, New York, 2011-present Jaime Herrera, Washington, 2011-present Kristi Noem, South Dakota, 2011-present Martha Roby, Alabama, 2011-present Senate: Gladys Pyle, South Dakota, 1938-1939 Vera Cahalan Bushfield, South Dakota, 1948 Margaret Chase Smith, Maine, 1949-1973 Eva Kelly Bowring, Nebraska, 1954 Hazel Hempel Abel, Nebraska, 1954 Nancy Landon Kassebaum, 1978-1997 Paula Hawkins, Florida, 1981-1987 Kay Bailey Hutchison, Texas, 1993-present Olympia Jean Snowe, Maine, 1995-present Sheila Frahm, Kansas, 1996 Susan Collins, Maine, 1997-present Lisa Murkowski, Alaska, 2002-present Elizabeth Dole, North Carolina, 2003-2009 Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire, 2011-present So as we can see, the liberal myth that Republicans are sexist and refuse to elect women to high office is just that…a myth. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/78 "2011-08-30T04:56:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So as we can see, the liberal myth that Republicans are sexist and refuse to elect women to high office is just that…a myth. Or it might just be a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/79 "2011-08-30T05:08:26Z")
Either way is fine with me as long as people stop believing it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2011, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261/80 "2011-08-30T05:28:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Either way is fine with me as long as people stop believing it. Nobody believed it in the first place. You “proved” that Republicans have elected women to high office. Terrific. Nobody has ever claimed otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-crazy-eyes-michelle-now-are-you-starting-to-get-it/594261.md?page=5)