# Hey, Czarcasm! Ypu're Holding Up The Game! **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274 "2010-01-24T21:04:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/21 "2010-01-26T22:00:13Z")
Thank you for gracefully accepting a judgment call on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/22 "2010-01-26T22:03:34Z")
Would that the mods could accept questioning of those judgment calls with the same grace. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/23 "2010-01-26T22:18:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Would that the mods could accept questioning of those judgment calls with the same grace. > > Regards, > Shodan You know how I hate it when I have to agree with you. šŸ˜› [czar] is unable or unwilling to explain his bullshit call here, but is unable to restrain himself from tossing in snarky comments. That is the behavior of a bully. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/24 "2010-01-26T22:19:09Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Yes, **PunditLisa** is repeating the OPā€™s words (fire and brimstone, etc) but she is clearly repeating them with incredulity, which is emphasized by the following words (Dude, what Catholic church were you raised in?) > > How such comments can be regarded as on topic I fail to understand. Itā€™s hardly surprising that an infraction was given after **Czarcasm** ā€™s previous warning to posters to confine their remarks to answering the OPā€™s question. I WAS responding, directly, to the OPer. He made a comment after the warning that said he wanted to avoid fire and brimstone readings. I responded to it. Why would I assume that it was not kosher for me to do that? 1. It was completely innocuous. And if you took offense to it, that was not my intention. 2. The OPer himself brought the issue up himself. 3. Weā€™re supposed to be allowed to fight ignorance here. 4. Traditionally, it is the OPer, not the Moderators, who define the scope of their own thread. Thatā€™s the way itā€™s always worked around here and the way I believe it should still be. 5. The ā€œfire and brimstoneā€ comment had nothing to do with the tangent re the appropriateness of an atheist getting married in the church, and it was that tangent that drew the warning. 6. If the ā€œfire and brimstoneā€ comment was truly out of line, then the OPer should have been the one who received the warning. Hence, **dinsdale** ā€™s first ATMB thread. Lately, you mention politics or religion around this place, and everyone assumes the crash position. What a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/25 "2010-01-26T22:26:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Would that the mods could accept questioning of those judgment calls with the same grace. > > Regards, > Shodan Big fat hairy chance of that. But hey, **Czarcasm** has weighed himself in the balance and not found himself wanting, so allā€™s well. Snark on religion all you like, accuse the entire Church of being homophobic paedophiles who should be only too happy that anyone deigns to get married there at all, but donā€™t you point out that one of the few things you can pick and choose in a wedding ceremony is the Bible readings and (gasp!) perhaps you should have a leaf through the hateful tome and find something acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/26 "2010-01-26T22:28:09Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > You know how I hate it when I have to agree with you. šŸ˜› > > [czar] is unable or unwilling to explain his bullshit call here, but is unable to restrain himself from tossing in snarky comments. That is the behavior of a bully. If you are referring to my last post, it was a _sincere_ response to **PunditLisaā€™s** last post. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/27 "2010-01-26T22:31:09Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Big fat hairy chance of that. But hey, **Czarcasm** has weighed himself in the balance and not found himself wanting, so allā€™s well. Snark on religion all you like, accuse the entire Church of being homophobic paedophiles who should be only too happy that anyone deigns to get married there at all, but donā€™t you point out that one of the few things you can pick and choose in a wedding ceremony is the Bible readings and (gasp!) perhaps you should have a leaf through the hateful tome and find something acceptable. You do realize that the thread in question was in IMHO, not Great Debates, so _none_ of what you mentioned above would have been allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/28 "2010-01-27T01:40:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you are referring to my last post, it was a _sincere_ response to **PunditLisaā€™s** last post. Okay, Iā€™ll give you that one. But given your prior posts in these various threads I donā€™t think it entirely unreasonable that I interpreted it otherwise. IMO you have still acted like a bully. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/29 "2010-01-27T19:40:06Z")
**Czarcasm** said: > [@](#): > > Thank you for gracefully accepting a judgment call on my part. This is the root of my complaint. You acknowledge this was a judgment call on your part. I am fine with that. I understand much of the nature of moderating is judgment calls. But what is lacking here is _any_ indication that you have reevaluated the situation based upon the explanations provided, or that given several people have expressed outright dismay at how you could interpret it the way you did, that _anybody_ has given it a second evaluation. But you have also failed to justify your decision, or explain your position. Itā€™s a call out of left field, itā€™s undefended, and reasoned questioning of the call has gone without response. So whatā€™s the process? You made a decision on the fly and thatā€™s it, no recourse, no appeal? Because I have seen moderators here change their calls based upon reasoned explanation. But Iā€™m not getting that in this case ā€“ not just the change your mind part, but even an idication that you _might_ have been wrong, or that it is a questionable call, or that _anyone_ on the mod staff has reevaluated it. And the more I ask the question about the _process_ and donā€™t get an answer, the more Iā€™m left to assume that there is **no** process. So, can I get an answer to _this_ question: > [@](#): > > I also reported the post in the thread itself, and requested review of that action, because I didnā€™t think it was fair. I have not gotten any feedback on whether that action was reviewed at all, or by whom. > > Maybe it was ignored completely and let stand. > > Maybe the review was done by **Czarcasm** , which is hardly a review. Itā€™s certainly not independent, and very unlikely to identify any bias in the action itself, which was my complaint. > > Maybe the mods did discuss this at length in the mod forum and agreed with **Czarcasm**. > > Maybe the mods did discuss this at length in the mod forum, and disagreed with **Czarcasm** , but let his decision stand because of some sense that reversing the action would weaken his authority for little gain, since 1 warning or a few scattered warnings arenā€™t a big deal, itā€™s the pattern of warnings that gets punishment. **Which is it?** ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/30 "2010-01-29T17:28:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You do realize that the thread in question was in IMHO, not Great Debates, so _none_ of what you mentioned above would have been allowed. [Do](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12017150&postcount=33) [tell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12017226&postcount=35). > [@Atheist getting married in Catholic church - need help with readings](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-getting-married-in-catholic-church-need-help-with-readings/525665/33): > > The OP is strange in their choice. Your churchā€™s pedophile priests and hated of gays are the only actual gross disrespect going on here. > [@Atheist getting married in Catholic church - need help with readings](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/atheist-getting-married-in-catholic-church-need-help-with-readings/525665/35): > > Funny! I know some people who would love to have such a ceremony and would honor it for a lifetime, but the Church discriminates against them and so they canā€™t have the same wedding this couple can have on demand. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/31 "2010-01-29T17:34:36Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > [Do](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12017150&postcount=33) [tell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12017226&postcount=35). I didnā€™t get reports about either post in my email, otherwise I might have done something about them. Iā€™m might be striving for perfection, but Iā€™m not there just yet, o.k.? BTW, the infraction has been lifted. For further information, see thread in question. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/32 "2010-01-29T20:05:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > BTW, the infraction has been lifted. For further information, see thread in question. Thank you. And to all who championed my cause, thank you, too. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/33 "2010-01-29T21:57:09Z")
Excellent, ignorance has been fought successfully, finally. Congrats to you, Lisa. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274/34 "2010-01-29T22:06:48Z")
**Czarcasm** said: > [@](#): > > BTW, the infraction has been lifted. For further information, see thread in question. Thank you for the response. (Seriously.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-czarcasm-ypure-holding-up-the-game/526274.md?page=1)