# Hey Der Trihs, over here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926 "2008-11-15T23:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/201 "2008-11-16T22:47:35Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > And yet here you are, babbling too. What compelled you to point that out? Is there something in my world that disturbs you? What are you frightened of? Read my aura and tell me. ---
**Author:** ![pkd88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@pkd88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkd88)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/202 "2008-11-16T22:49:51Z")
How does a person who is suffering from hallucinations, visions or beliefs learn to understand that they need help? Of course, I am talking about people who have a condition, not those who have chosen a faith lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/203 "2008-11-16T22:55:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Lol, you didn’t even read it. “lol”? You’ve gotta be kidding me, mouthbreather. And now, genius, I will provide you with another gift of knowledge. I expect you to urinate on it too, as you prove that you don’t understand even basic English vocabulary. See, ‘tard, if you want to claim I didn’t read something you should probably first make sure that you understand it. This is especially important when it’s about using basic vocabulary that any native speaker should understand. Since you’re too stupid to understand basic vocabulary, you probably shouldn’t try to criticize others’ use of that vocab. Ready? “[Pertinent](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pertinent)” “[Relevant](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/relevant).” How fucking stupid are you, exactly, that you don’t understand that the fact that Der habitually flames conservatives in GD has relevancy to the claim that he habitually flames in GD? That the of there being an explicit prohibition against such flames while Der is still around is relevant to the claim that Der is still around despite habitually violating that rule? Are you and Dribble going for new and exciting levels of arrogant, ignorant idiocy? > [@Lobohan](#): > > You haven’t posted any facts. You post your opinions. And you seem to not be very bright. Says the guy who doesn’t know what ‘cogent’, pertinent’ or ‘relevant’ mean. Being insulted by a quarter-wit who doesn’t even understand the words he’s using isn’t exactly devastating. Now, as you’re evidently about as stupid as Mr. Dribble, I’ll point out that “Der flames conservatives in GD” is a fact, and not an opinion. It’s proven by his own posts, you fucking sycophantic bootlicker. Anybody posting that one must be “morally debased” in order to be a conservative, and posting that in GD, has clearly broken the prohibition against direct personal insults. It’s a direct insult against any and all conservatives (some of whom are Dopers) by saying that they are morally debased. That’s fact by the way, spunky. Try to keep up here. Maybe you require pictures? > [@Lobohan](#): > > One might note that Der Trihs dosen’t descend into moronic sound effects to make a point. Good lord but you’re thick… you do realize that a “sound effect” would be something like an onomatopoeia, and I simply emphasized the word cute? You don’t actually sound out the words you see when you read, do you? Damn, you probably do… And simply to help fight a bit more of your ignorant stupidity, you look like a real schmuck when you whine about “sound effects” while writing something as breathtakingly stupid as “lol”. You retarded syphilitic chimp. Never mind, I’m having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, and it’s embarrassing. Go back to fellating idiot assholes who are full of rage and stupid, like Der. Anybody who can support a nufjob who actually wants nuclear weapons pointed at his friends, family, neighbors and _self_ is worthy of defense only by, well, people like you and Dribble. You all deserve each other. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/204 "2008-11-16T23:01:23Z")
What is my aura like? I’m honestly curious. Oh, and **KSG** , you may have the most experience with your own mental state, but it’s that exact fact that can be so blinding. Sometimes others can see things about ourselves that we totally miss. Sometimes that means they know us better than we know ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/205 "2008-11-16T23:02:34Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > So do I! _hic_ lol me likey ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/206 "2008-11-16T23:21:36Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > This, dear sir, is blatant psychiatric bullshit. I know my brain like no one else in the world – I am the ONLY person who has had to live with myself 24/7, and nobody… NOBODY… has any authority AT ALL when they claim to know how my brain works better than I do. The subject is not even up for debate; and frankly, it sickens me to watch psychiatrists & other authority figures make such sweeping judgments on _anyone._ The problem is that you’re using your brain to judge how your brain works. Certainly, people who are not you do not have the direct experience you do; I certainly would not claim to have the history with it you do. I’m simply saying that even your greater knowledge and understanding of it may be faulty, because you’re using it to judge it. The problem is, I don’t see it as bullshit, and certainly not blatantly so. I’m simply confused as to how you find it reasonable to use something you admit has been faulty in the past to judge that it is not faulty now. How do you know that your insights come not from experience but from faultiness themselves? The problem with claiming greater understanding in this case is it is precisely that understanding that has in the past been problematic. It is, like I said before, trusting the source of past problems when it says there are no more problems; taking the word of a deceptive “enemy” that it is now your friend. > [@](#): > > It does sound to me like you’re just parroting what your own psychiatrists have probably told you, so I’ll forgive the remark. No, I haven’t been told this by psychiatrists, so as unfortuante as it may be, i’m afraid you will have to blame me for the remark. > [@](#): > > I understand what you’re getting at, and yes, communication is very important. That said, my family does NOT communicate. Especially the fundamentalist Christian side of my family – they make up shit out of whole cloth, they insist you accept their made-up shit _without complaint or debate_, and they punish you severely for failing to accept their made-up shit. Not only that, I believe they have intentionally sought out doctors & therapists (and this has been going on since I was six years old) who agree with _their_ concept of fake reality; it wasn’t until late in life when I started choosing my OWN personal therapist(s) – at great financial cost, I might add – before I started making any headway at all on my “condition”, whatever label you want to give it. I’m not entirely sure how “great finanical cost” makes your situation better, considering that you have maligned psychiatric people in the past for trying to make a quick buck off of you. I’m not saying that other people are necessarily better or wiser as to how to help you than you are. I’m just saying that you, yourself, are not necessarily a good judge; that specifically it is impossible to know how good a judge you really are, given that the judge and judged are one and the same thing. Other people may be far more crap at helping you; but that does not mean you’re fantastic at it. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/207 "2008-11-16T23:23:34Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Read my aura and tell me. You’re shielding. I can’t read your aura if you shield. > [@Autolycus](#): > > What is my aura like? I’m honestly curious. > > Oh, and **KSG** , you may have the most experience with your own mental state, but it’s that exact fact that can be so blinding. Yours is an interesting color. Don’t know how to describe it, but it _feels_ positive. Naturally, that means one of two things – you’re a genuinely curious person, or you’re setting a trap (like a pitcher plant.) I find it strange that you keep misspelling my nick. Is that intentional? ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/208 "2008-11-16T23:25:35Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > No, I haven’t been told this by psychiatrists, so as unfortuante as it may be, i’m afraid you will have to blame me for the remark. Very well. Conversation /terminated. (Where’s **Der Trihs** today? Maybe he had to evacuate from the wildfires…) ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/209 "2008-11-16T23:28:43Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Yours is an interesting color. Don’t know how to describe it, but it _feels_ positive. Naturally, that means one of two things – you’re a genuinely curious person, or you’re setting a trap (like a pitcher plant.) > > I find it strange that you keep misspelling my nick. Is that intentional? Perhaps a little from Column A, and a little from Column B. And no it has not been intentional. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/210 "2008-11-16T23:29:02Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Very well. Conversation /terminated. Fault me on believing i’m wrong, but at least i’m honest. 🙂 Good luck either way, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/211 "2008-11-16T23:33:11Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Perhaps a little from Column A, and a little from Column B. And no it has not been intentional. My apologies. Okay, I believe in your curiosity now. Hey cool, I wondered what that color pattern meant. Seriously, thanks. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/212 "2008-11-16T23:47:23Z")
This trainwreck got me thinking… Is there an equivalent of DNFTT, saying DNETMH (Do Not Encourage the Mentally Handicaped). Because this would be the people’s exhibit A. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/213 "2008-11-16T23:54:46Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Is there an equivalent of DNFTT, saying DNETMH (Do Not Encourage the Mentally Handicaped). Not a fan of the Special Olympics, I take it? I’m sure there are millions of parents with autistic, bipolar, or Down’s Syndrome children who would disagree with you on principle. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/214 "2008-11-17T00:04:06Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You all deserve each other. Are you gonna need a hug? > [@FinnAgain](#): > > KGS, Der is an emotional cripple, a thirty-something year old child who never got over being picked on in high school and largely attempts to cling to some sort of self worth by hating other people and feeling superior to them. Religious people, Americans, people who base their politics on reason rather than blinding hatred, whatever. He should’ve been banned long ago, but since he doesn’t just flame constantly in GD, but flames massive groups of people, it’s okay. He’s even been congratulated for flaming every single Conservative Doper on the board with the caveat that it was just his opinion that all Conservatives are evil bastards. ~shrugs~ > > [snip] > Der is the very definition of a jerk, but you have demonstrated clearly that you are mentally ill and require help. It’s in your own best interest to talk to a qualified professional about your delusions of being able to write a paper, proving the ‘soul’, that will revolutionize physics (or be the basis of a fictional novel). Claims like that stand out as bright, flashing warning lights for most normal people. Normal people don’t believe stuff like that, let alone make those sorts of claims as if they were sane things to say. > > Der is a jerk because the only way he knows to feel a glimmer of warmth about himself is to hate strongly enough and convince himself that he’s better than those he hates and thus ‘good’ since they are pure ‘evil’. It’s like watching 8 year old children who have to tear each other down in order to build themselves up. He’s a sad, pathetic, lonely, angry man-child. I’m impressed that you still don’t understand what cogent means. Lulz. 😃 On topic: KGS, you’re not a scientist and your arguments aren’t in the least persuasive. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/215 "2008-11-17T00:16:36Z")
**KGS** Your mind fascinates me. Could you please post an excerpt of your writing? You’ve claimed it’s great, and I’d like to judge for myself. Remember that by posting it here, the Reader owns part of the copyright which makes it, strangely, more protected. After all, they have lawyers to enforce their copyrights. I’ve posted my writing here in the form of Orpheus As It Should Be, and Talia- Page From A Diary. I’d also love to see your thesis. If anybody is curious, yes I have read all of this thread and the spirit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/216 "2008-11-17T00:26:11Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > And BTW, When DT said all the evidence points to spirits not exiting, what he meant is it’s non-falsifiable, which means, if they don’t exist then you can’t accrue evidence about it. Actually, I was also referring to the fact that the effects of drugs, brain stimulation and especially brain damage indicates that we ARE our brains. If we were our souls, brain damage shouldn’t do things like destroy mental faculties or memories; and drugs shouldn’t distort mental processes either. Given that partial destruction of the brain partially destroys the mind, it’s a logical extrapolation that destroying the whole brain destroys the whole mind. So : There’s no evidence for souls, what evidence we DO have about ourselves is AGAINST their being any souls, and as you say, the claims of the believers tend to be unfalsifiable ( because the ones that were falsifiable, have been falsified - being wrong tends to result in that ). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/217 "2008-11-17T00:29:26Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > You’re shielding. I can’t read your aura if you shield. Best laugh I’ve had all day. I had to look up what “shielding” is. Obviously, I’m not doing it, since (a) I didn’t know what such a thing was and (b) Nobody can do it. But then, that’s not the point, is it? You’re not crazy. You’re a troll. Someone with delusions, but who was sincere, wouldn’t trot out a line that ridiculously circular; you’d have tried to honestly read my aura. You’re just playing us. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/218 "2008-11-17T00:46:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Obviously, I’m not doing it, since (a) I didn’t know what such a thing was and (b) Nobody can do it. But then, that’s not the point, is it? Your aura exists whether you imagine it or not. Perhaps you don’t use those terms, but everyone does have _complete_ control over your aura, once they learn it exists. It’s fairly common for someone to innately know how to manipulate their aura – they just don’t use the word “aura”, that’s all. It’s really just a mental shortcut. “Shielding” is basically the same as “presenting an air of confidence” – the ritual is meaningless, it’s only there for people who don’t know how to do it naturally. If you already know how to present an air of confidence, then you don’t even need to imagine your aura. They are basically two ways of looking at the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/219 "2008-11-17T00:50:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There’s no evidence for souls, what evidence we DO have about ourselves is AGAINST their being any souls You keep claiming “evidence” yet you provide no cites. Please, delight us with your encyclopedic knowledge – what evidence against souls are you speaking of? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/220 "2008-11-17T00:55:53Z")
I wish we could get **lekatt** to post in this thread. It would be like pointing a video camera into the TV. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926.md?page=12)