# Hey Der Trihs, over here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926 "2008-11-15T23:48:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/61 "2008-11-16T02:48:48Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > [Y]ou’re the kind of crackpot that bugs the shit out of me – you take some concept from physics (almost always quantum mechanics or string theory), misunderstand it completely, then twist it around to explain whatever retardo idea you already believed in. Just stop it. Excuse me, that GD thread was discussing the subject of whether or not HUMAN SOULS exist – which is about as wooly as it gets for this forum. All I did was suggest an alternate scientific theory…and I’m seen as a crackpot? Yes, I know there’s inherent prejudice against me due to my previous posting history…but I thought the people in GD could see past that. Apparently, I was wrong. :rolleyes: > [@Rubystreak](#): > > So, as a person who is no longer mentally ill, are you still on disability for being mentally ill? Or have you gone off the dole and gotten a job? I wouldn’t think that a person of such rigorous integrity as yourself would continue to sop up benefits for a mental illness that you no longer have. Please confirm. I’m on disability for having a developmental disorder (Asperger’s Syndrome) which conflicts with my ability to work, interact socially, and handle responsibility. There’s quite a bit of PTSD involved, which IMHO does not count as mental illness, but of course that’s up for debate (and irrelevant, regardless.) For the record, that’s the truth of my situation. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/62 "2008-11-16T02:50:00Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Your ‘evidence’ could also prove you are still mentally ill. > See a doctor. This. please. It’s not funny. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/63 "2008-11-16T02:55:52Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > **jsgoddess** said, “I’m perplexed why someone who started a thread about how you’re having hallucinations, etc. continues to bring up your visions and wants everyone just to ignore the fact that you’ve stated yourself to have a mental illness.” To which you responded, “As far as I’m concerned, I am no longer mentally ill. I have cured myself.” Those are my words, I recognize them. I also recognize the truth behind them. Do you not recognize the truth? Or do you assume I am lying/crazy? Think of it this way. Let’s say I was diagnosed with cancer. Let’s say, several quack oncologists (rare, but they do exist) convinced me I had cancer so they could profit from my illness. Later, I convince another oncologist that I no longer have cancer, and it’s up for debate whether I ever had cancer to begin with. Now…would you ASSUME I was lying? Would you claim my cancer was incurable, and therefore I am delusional about No Longer Having Cancer? Seriously, think about it – (and this is a perfect analogy about how the psychiatric industry works, btw.) Medical illness cannot be voted on – it would be stupid and scandalous to treat genuine illnesses that way. Sadly, with _mental_ illness, that’s often how it works in practice. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/64 "2008-11-16T02:56:27Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > I’m on disability for having a developmental disorder (Asperger’s Syndrome) which conflicts with my ability to work, interact socially, and handle responsibility. There’s quite a bit of PTSD involved, which IMHO does not count as mental illness, but of course that’s up for debate (and irrelevant, regardless.) For the record, that’s the truth of my situation. I’ve known several people with Asperger’s who managed to work. In the previous thread about your mental illness, you claim to have hallucinations, agoraphobia, and mania. How have you cured yourself of these illnesses? You can understand our collective skepticism, I’m sure, esp. when you claim to be able to see people’s auras and communicate with the spirit world, among other things. I concur with the others in this thread who say that it’s not really fun to watch you show your ass this way, over and over, and display an unwellness that is troubling. I realize it’s probably part of your illness, this strident, even abusive, denial, but add me to the list of people who’d like to see you get some real, meaningful help. But if you won’t, please stop plastering this place with crazy on a bimonthly basis. It’s getting hard to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/65 "2008-11-16T03:04:45Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Those are my words, I recognize them. I also recognize the truth behind them. Do you not recognize the truth? Or do you assume I am lying/crazy? I don’t know. When you said you’d been [psychotic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10378704&postcount=20) were you lying? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/66 "2008-11-16T03:05:06Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Be cuckoo-bananas all you want, just stop using physics as your mental jizz rag. Sig material. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/67 "2008-11-16T03:11:13Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Believe it or not, you actually ARE as crazy as the proverbial loon–I just hope you accept this as fact before you do yourself an irrevocable injury. He can’t. Haven’t you heard of Catch-22? Anybody else get the feeling that this thread is like bull fighting? Interesting to watch and can be understood to have a certain artistic value in a Hemingway sense, but it still just feels a little icky? Given the nature of this place we can’t just stand by while people spout crazy ass shit but what to do when the person actually is crazy? Do they get a free pass? Do we respond to the crazy? I am at a loss. I feel sorry for KGS but damn the pseudo scientistic mumbo jumbo really pisses me off. This applies to Peter Morris and Lekatt as well I guess. Most of the time I can just ignore them but sometimes the crazy, it just reaches across the ether and forces me to post… ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/68 "2008-11-16T03:11:33Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Dude, you just had a [big old thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=490262) that started after you went on a ten day non-sleeping jag that resulted in hospitalization and a 72 hour “mental hold” and you’re maintaining you don’t have a mental illness? The “spiritual evidence” I speak of was discovered & documented _before_ my 10-day journey began. By the way, I don’t normally go out that far – it turned into a medical crisis, fer cryin’ out loud! And it could’ve been prevented, _except my family was too chickenshit to intervene earlier._ (Don’t blame 'em, really…they have good reason not to fuck with 5150’s anymore.) I don’t even view that experience as a “mentally ill” situation – it was more like a spiritual journey. That’s how I view that experience, and as long as no long-term damage was done, isn’t my opinion the only one that matters?? That experience also led me to make the connection with regards to this “thesis” I spoke of earlier. (Not that I’m going to share this information now, since it’s permanently filed under “Story Ideas” – I’m a writer, I gotta protect my ideas, ya know?) I don’t mind negative experiences, as long as it leads somewhere positive. (Am I truly alone in that belief? Sure feels like I am…) > [@Rubystreak](#): > > I’ve known several people with Asperger’s who managed to work. In the previous thread about your mental illness, you claim to have hallucinations, agoraphobia, and mania. How have you cured yourself of these illnesses? Occasional mania is something I’ll probably always have to deal with, but it’s controlled by medication and meditation. Hallucinations? Currently, none. (And my hallucinations tend to be [hypnagogic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic), anyway.) As for agoraphobia – well, that’s the part that hasn’t come back yet. That’s the part which I’ve apparently “cured”, among other symptoms. > [@](#): > > You can understand our collective skepticism, I’m sure, esp. when you claim to be able to see people’s auras and communicate with the spirit world, among other things. Well, duh…I know the audience here. Not all readers of the 'Dope are skeptical atheists, though. I’ve received several supportive PM’s confirming this. For what it’s worth, I’m in a bit of a transitory phase here. My previous doctor suddenly quit (cowardly asshole!) and I haven’t met with the guy replacing him yet. It would be financially devastating to me if I lost my disabled status, so let’s not discuss that anymore, shall we? Please, think of the children. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/69 "2008-11-16T03:16:30Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > That’s how I view that experience, and as long as no long-term damage was done, isn’t my opinion the only one that matters?? Actually yours is probably the least relevant opinion, given the information you have posted here. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/70 "2008-11-16T03:17:15Z")
Sheesh, what a train wreck. I’m starting to wonder about some of you. What’s the point of continuing to attempt to engage KGS when it’s obvious he’s basically Walter from Fringe? Let him live within his delusions. He won’t come around because he can’t, and because of this he’ll never admit to losing an argument, nor believe he has. Let the poor man be. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/71 "2008-11-16T03:23:59Z")
This is actually an example of the board at its worst. An evangelical atheist asshole gets into a clawing and biting match with a self-admitted lunatic, and the damn thing drags on. This is the internet version of Bum Fights. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/72 "2008-11-16T03:29:28Z")
**KGS** , I don’t think you’re crazy. However, I _do_ think you’re a dipshit, and what’s more, you’re a _coward._ **Der Trihs** may or may not be an asshole; he is certainly abrasive, as one would expect from his chosen approach (paraphrased from earlier in this thread, he does not apologize for disagreeing), but, A, he always plays by the rules in GD, and, B, on this subject, he is right much more often than he is wrong. It’s difficult to see, because he is so savagely blunt, and makes no concessions for the limitations of his opponents. But he still plays fair, and he reads, understands, and responds directly to what they say. If you actually had anything resembling a legitimate argument to make, if you had actual evidence, you could have hashed it out and gotten traction in GD. **Der Trihs** may be next to impossible to convince, but then, _that is the correct position on this subject._ He is right. There is _no_ evidence for God (or gods), souls, psychic powers, supernatural senses, otherworldly creatures, or anything else. Zero. Nothing. Zip. Now, if you believe you have some, bring it. Let’s see it. Subject it to scrutiny. And if it’s real, if it’s legit, I have every confidence, that **Trihs** would concede it, because he may be obnoxious, but he’s not stupid, either. Evidence is evidence. If you got it, show it. But you don’t. Your thread is a tiresome pile of nonsense, the same frantic hand-waving by a spiritualist desperate to find some justification for his misperceptions that we have seen time and time again here. I tried to read it, but I gave up after a while because there was obviously going to be nothing new. But from what I saw, it was clear: you got your ass handed to you. You were taken apart. You were cut into pieces, seasoned, cooked, and gnawed to the bone, and your meatless carcass was thrown to the dogs. You had nothing, and you _have_ nothing. But you couldn’t face that, and you couldn’t continue facing your opponents with your pathetic handful of nothing, so you ran in here, into the Pit. You ran in here with your kiddie pool full of mental diarrhea, because here it is safe to fling it about. Here it is safe to _not_ play by the rules, to squeal and stamp your feet and spin in place like an ADHD-addled six year old with a Super Soaker in each hand filled with the aforementioned liquid shit being dribbled from your semifunctional brain. Here, you can get away with what you cannot do in GD. And that makes you a coward. Either you cannot face your opponents, or you cannot face your own inadequacy, and your own wrongness, so you flee to the safety of the Pit, behind the bulwark labeled “no rules.” It is childish and cowardly and until you knock it off you don’t deserve to be treated with even the tiniest molecule of respect. Coward. You are a coward. Fuck you, you fucking coward. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/73 "2008-11-16T03:33:44Z")
Just for the record, being on disability is not “being on the dole.” (Not unless you think that the money that you have contributed to Social Security actually belongs to the government and that when it comes back to you, it is _charity_.) For some who are mentally ill, they don’t know the truth of their lives from one day to the next. They put the pieces of the puzzle together as best they can. It seems particularly sad to me when the person is so obviously intelligent. But when the puzzle pieces are murky and distorted and never exactly fit together, neither they nor any onlookers are going to see the picture. I can see why this thread is provocative. Thank goodness for those who want to help like **Rubystreak**. But can’t we all stop kicking now? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/74 "2008-11-16T03:33:52Z")
[Note to self]Don’t piss Cervaise off[/Note] ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/75 "2008-11-16T03:34:55Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Well, duh…I know the audience here. Not all readers of the 'Dope are skeptical atheists, though. I’ve received several supportive PM’s confirming this. This seems to me an odd point to make. Aren’t you yourself a skeptical atheist? ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/76 "2008-11-16T03:52:51Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Excuse me, that GD thread was discussing the subject of whether or not HUMAN SOULS exist – which is about as wooly as it gets for this forum. All I did was suggest an alternate scientific theory…and I’m seen as a crackpot? You’re a crackpot because your scientific theory is a load of crap. I don’t care about all the rest. String theory doesn’t have anything to do with spirits/souls, quantum mechanics doesn’t make human consciousness the magic key that turns the universe, and the damn cat is either dead or alive, not both. (Sorry, that last one was a bit of a tangent.) ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/77 "2008-11-16T03:59:03Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > You’re a crackpot because your scientific theory is a load of crap. I don’t care about all the rest. String theory doesn’t have anything to do with spirits/souls, quantum mechanics doesn’t make human consciousness the magic key that turns the universe, **and the damn cat is either dead or alive, not both.** (Sorry, that last one was a bit of a tangent.) …unless you never open the box. 😉 Sorry. I just like to see folk’s heads go all asplody. 🙂 (bolding mine) ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/78 "2008-11-16T03:59:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > An evangelical atheist asshole gets into a clawing and biting match with a self-admitted lunatic, and the damn thing drags on. Are you basing your “evangelical atheist asshole” label from the thread referenced by this OP? I didn’t see **DT** being assholish at all. He was unapologetically disagreeing with **KGS** , but does that make one an asshole? ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/79 "2008-11-16T04:01:37Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > **Der Trihs** may or may not be an asshole; he is certainly abrasive, as one would expect from his chosen approach (paraphrased from earlier in this thread, he does not apologize for disagreeing), but, A, he always plays by the rules in GD, and, B, on this subject, he is right much more often than he is wrong. At least you concede that he is sometimes wrong. That’s not the issue here, anyways. He hijacked that thread, and refused to answer any direct questions when I Pitted him. Hence, he’s a jerk. (Isn’t there a broad board policy against being a jerk? I guess that rule doesn’t matter if you have lots of friends in your back pocket…) > [@](#): > > But he still plays fair, and he reads, understands, and responds directly to what they say. Plays fair, my ass!! But you are welcome to your opinion, even if your opinion smells like dogshit. > [@](#): > > And that makes you a coward. > > Coward. > > You are a coward. > > Fuck you, you fucking coward. Whoa, somebody sure pissed in your coffee…was it me? Because I don’t even know who you are. And to call me coward…that’s bullshit. Think about it – I pitted a well-known (albeit controversial) SDMB member whose athestic skepticism is _de rigour_ 'round these parts. I’ve claimed direct observational evidence of spirits, and I profess to read “auras” as easily as if they were X-ray photos (and by “aura” I mean it’s a [synesthetic response](http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/03/66770) to his words, in case you were wondering.) I’ve confessed to having psychiatric issues in the past, including one so-called “Manic Event” quite recently which led me to label the entire psychiatric industry as One Big Scam, whereas psychiatry is worshipped as God’s Truth in places like this…and you call me a COWARD for diving right into The Pit with this position?? Really, a COWARD??? Fuck you right back, man. It takes major BALLS to assert my highly controversial position. If you can’t see that in me, then the only coward in this conversation is YOU. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-der-trihs-over-here/472926/80 "2008-11-16T04:03:37Z")
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