# Hey, druggies! Screw you.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [August 14, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366 "2009-08-14T01:15:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/1 "2009-08-14T01:15:25Z")

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You are responsible for the killing of many policemen, judges, and other officials in Mexico and other countries. You are helping to finance terrorists in Afghanistan, in turn contributing to the deaths of American military personnel. It’s the demand you create that fuels all this mayhem.

But you don’t really care. You sit there smirking as you get away with another line or toke.

Fuck you.

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**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/2 "2009-08-14T01:19:27Z")

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Not that we should absolve drug abusers of any responsibility, but perhaps it would be more constructive to focus your anger at the ridiculous prohibition policies in most countries that allow the criminal black market to thrive.

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**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/3 "2009-08-14T01:22:24Z")

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> [@friedo](#):
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> Not that we should absolve drug abusers of any responsibility, but perhaps it would be more constructive to focus your anger at the ridiculous prohibition policies in most countries that allow the criminal black market to thrive.

And the concomitant fact that before these prohibition policies, black markets also thrived, and addiction became aserious social problem. And that legally-traded and taxed items like cigarettes ALSO have a thriving black market, probably because they’re addictive.

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**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/4 "2009-08-14T01:24:31Z")

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Were Prohibition-era drinkers (from the casual to the alcoholics) morally responsible for the murders and other violence carried out by Capone et al?

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**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/5 "2009-08-14T01:25:29Z")

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> [@friedo](#):
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> Not that we should absolve drug abusers of any responsibility, but perhaps it would be more constructive to focus your anger at the ridiculous prohibition policies in most countries that allow the criminal black market to thrive.

The black market wouldn’t exist without the the demand.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/6 "2009-08-14T01:26:02Z")

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I always wondered if there was anyone out there dumb enough to swallow all that anti-drug propaganda.

Now I know.

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**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/7 "2009-08-14T01:26:48Z")

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> [@jebert](#):
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> The black market wouldn’t exist without the the demand.

It also wouldn’t exist, as such, without the prohibition. (It also wouldn’t exist without modern transportation, or agriculture, or the sun. There are many things it wouldn’t exist without…)

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**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/8 "2009-08-14T01:53:04Z")

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> [@jebert](#):
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> You are helping to finance terrorists in Afghanistan, in turn contributing to the deaths of American military personnel.

You’re thinking of oil companies, jackass.

[blows pot smoke in **jebert** ’s face]

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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/9 "2009-08-14T01:57:42Z")

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Kids these days. Bogarting is socially acceptable. Hippies were much more civil before 1968.

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**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/10 "2009-08-14T02:04:40Z")

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[quote=“fuzzypickles, post:8, topic:506366”]

You’re thinking of oil companies, jackass.

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There is no oil in Afghanistan.

Jackass.

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**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/11 "2009-08-14T02:07:01Z")

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> [@Miller](#):
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> I always wondered if there was anyone out there dumb enough to swallow all that anti-drug propaganda.
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> Now I know.

And knowing is half the battle.

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**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/12 "2009-08-14T02:08:59Z")

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I have to agree with you. My girlfriend’s father, a normal hardworking Guatemalan laborer, was murdered as a victim of the narco-trafficking violence that is rampant in that country. I’ve had to witness the toll it has had on her and it’s not at all pretty.

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**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/13 "2009-08-14T02:10:52Z")

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Somehow, I don’t think a little homegrown bud is causing narco-terror, mass violence, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. At least not here in Wisconsin.

Do you live in Tijuana now, Mrs. Reagan?

ETA: not directed at you, **Rigamarole** , you and your girlfriend and her family have my deepest sympathies. Violence is never the answer, and the toll on the innocent is the harshest indictment of the failures of our Prohibitionist attitudes.

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**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/14 "2009-08-14T02:34:45Z")

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> [@picker](#):
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> Somehow, I don’t think a little homegrown bud is causing narco-terror, mass violence, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. At least not here in Wisconsin.

If you can meet the demand with your homegrown, maybe you can cut the Mexicans off at the knees and eliminate the violence.

But keep your back to the wall.

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**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/15 "2009-08-14T02:39:12Z")

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What if C-A-T really spelled “dog”?

I mean … think about it …

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**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/16 "2009-08-14T02:40:05Z")

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> [@Rigamarole](#):
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> I have to agree with you. My girlfriend’s father, a normal hardworking Guatemalan laborer, was murdered as a victim of the narco-trafficking violence that is rampant in that country. I’ve had to witness the toll it has had on her and it’s not at all pretty.

Rigamarole, I’m sorry to hear that.

Sadly, there are thousands more stories like this.

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**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/17 "2009-08-14T02:48:47Z")

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> [@Indistinguishable](#):
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> Were Prohibition-era drinkers (from the casual to the alcoholics) morally responsible for the murders and other violence carried out by Capone et al?

Yes.

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**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/18 "2009-08-14T02:56:24Z")

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> [@cckerberos](#):
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> Yes.

No.  
This is sloppy and stupid thinking at its worst.

You create a black market, force it to be run by criminals, remove any avenue for legal redress… and then you blame drug users for your own policy. Brilliant. “Our policies have disastrous results when we try to punish victimless crimes with draconian excess, look how bad the thing we were trying to punish is!”

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**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/19 "2009-08-14T03:01:09Z")

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> [@cckerberos](#):
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> Yes.

And there are certainly many thousands of people killed, tortured, and enslaved all over the world every day in the trade of countless perfectly legal goods. Anyone who purchases those goods is also morally responsible for all death and suffering caused by the demand for that good. Sucks to be us.

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**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\
**Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-druggies-screw-you/506366/20 "2009-08-14T03:03:43Z")

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I can guarentee **jebert** is consuming a resource that is causing the deaths of someone, somewhere. What a shortsighted twittle twat.

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