Let’s not forget the spread of hepatitis and various related diseases. Not only druggie hookers banging strangers for dope, but many druggies work low-level food service jobs (can always get a job in some kind of a restaurant). They have no qualms about ingesting blow that a short time ago was stored up in the lower digestive tracts of smugglers. I think they would literally eat someone’s bowel movement if it would get them high. As a result - e. coli and hepatitis spread from them and restaurants close. latex gloves are the rule of the day. NO home-made foods are allowed in schools for snacks or birthdays, packaged only.
Do you drive a car, jebert?
Do you ever purchase goods or services from organizations whose payrolls include people who purchase drugs, jebert? Their input to the black market wouldn’t exist without your financial support. It’s the demand you create that fuels all this mayhem, you terrorism-supporter, you…
No, their input to the black market wouldn’t exist without their choosing to make that input. It’s purely THEIR choice.
Do you drive a car? Yes or no?
What do you think about people who only buy domestic? What if they grow their own?
I just know that it is because of the fucking methheads that I have to go through multiple hoops to get anything resembling a real cold medication.
I don’t blame the Feds. I don’t blame Nancy Reagan. I don’t blame anti-drug hysteria.
I blame the unfucked, dipshitted, underpunished, fucktard inbred shiteating zombie-eyed meth heads.
jebert, good work dude, it’s nice to see how angry people get around here so easily.
Keep it up
But somehow, when that money eventually winds up in the hands of murderers, the murder isn’t purely THE MURDERER’s choice, but is on the heads of everyone whose money made it their within suitably few degrees as well?
Just think how little crime there would be if only everything was legal. :rolleyes:
Well, no one’s talking about reducing murder by legalizing murder. We’re talking about removing murder from the drug industry by legalizing the drug industry. (Of course, there will be other side effects to take into consideration as well, but the reduction of drug cartel violence is one proposed pro…)
Is there some intrinsic reason why the drug industry should be linked up with violence? Alcohol gives us one excellent case study of such associations coming and going, and the factors which played into this…
Nice strawman.
It’s neither, thanks.
If this was an accurate description of the situation, you’d have a point. But we hadn’t “removed any avenue for legal redress,” as shown by the eventual passage of the 21st Amendment.
Yes, if the unjust policies had never been enacted the problem wouldn’t exist, but that doesn’t completely absolve the individual user of his (lesser) moral responsibility for the consequences that result from his choice to deal with (and thus finance) what he knows to be a dangerous, amoral criminal enterprise. Put another way, that the prohibition on alcohol is unjust just means that you can drink guilt-free. It doesn’t mean that you can finance criminals guilt-free.
Of course, there are cases when all blame can be placed on the government for creating the black market, where the good in question is absolutely necessary, where failure to use the black market results in death. I’m not pretending this is a black and white issue. But since we’re talking about deaths incurred by the pursuit of a leisure product, I don’t really think this applies.
People wanting to get high are like people wanting to have premarital sex or download pirated music or what have you: sure, it’s possible to live without these things, and plenty of people do, but all the same, large numbers don’t and won’t. And if you like you can get angry at and assign particular labels to all those non-abstinent people and the things they do, but they’re going to keep on doing them anyway, no matter what; the forces in play won’t go away unless human nature is so significantly altered as to not be worth attempting to discuss. So, stew if you like, but if you want to make the world a better place, the stewing won’t help: altering social policies so that the consequences of these inevitable (and inevitably popular) actions are less negative is the only thing which will help.
Yes, now that you mention that I can certainly see the benefit of our becoming a nation of meth, heroin and concaine-addicted dopeheads.
It’s all so clear to me now! :smack: What was I thinking?
The shittiest part is that their central government is so weak and corrupt that there is basically no chance of the murderers ever being caught or punished. That’s how my GF explains it to me - for me it is hard to even fathom that kind of environment. (I have been to Guatemala but as a tourist. I am American and used to at least having a sense of a strong central authority which I have never appreciated quite so much as I do now)
It happened just last year, while we were dating. I never figured out how to console her, and I still don’t really know (she has handled it as well as one could expect, but she still thinks about it often and it tears her up every time). Sure everyone has to die, and most people eventually experience the death of their parents, but not like that. I don’t think a person can ever really get over that.
Of course I drive a car. Everybody drives a car.
You’re going to tell me that my purchasing gasoline supports the Saudis who support the madrasses who provide the impetus for the terrorists. True, but again it’s the demand thing that fuels it. If I could afford a Prius I might buy one. We need to get off our dependence on oil. That’s another thread.
You’re going to tell me that my purchsing gasoline led to the desire to control Iraqi oil which led us into that stupid war. We were doing just fine with Saddam in control of the oil; that war was needlessly started by the neo-cons. Again, another thread.
BTW, what if I bought my oil from Canada and Mexico?
If the demand was small enough that domestic growers could fill it, maybe the violence wouldn’t be as horrendous as it’s become.
If using is that big a deal to you, work to change the law. Hell, I’d vote for legalization if it would halt the violence.
But for now, I don’t think this little victimless crime is really all that victimless.
BTW, what if I bought my oil from Canada and Mexico?
You were most likely drunk, and congratulating yourself because you don’t use drugs.
So the only thing stopping people now is legality?
ignore this post; it doesn’t matter
Going to try for the trifecta?