# Hey Dubya - New Orleans Has Oil, So Do Something! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2005, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394 "2005-08-31T06:03:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/41 "2005-08-31T17:40:37Z")
Bravo, DMark. Someone that sees! ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/42 "2005-08-31T17:41:47Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > But let’s all bow our head in prayer. It’ll solve everything. I pray you learn how to click on a link and then read the material. Any comment on the link in post #30. Here I’ll help you out; Please read… \ Sorry to have to do this Mods, but maybe this will convince the OP that his rant has little merit. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/43 "2005-08-31T17:57:42Z")
**DMark** , there’s a time for partisan bickering, and there’s a time when partisan bickering makes you look like a festering pus-hole. Guess which time this is? > [@DMark](#): > > What do you know. They are actually doing what I suggested - getting some buses in there. Took them awhile to think of that, but better late than never. The problem areas in New Orleans aren’t accessible by bus. They’re under several feet of water. > [@](#): > > 1. All the press is reporting a shortage of National Guard to get in there. Wonder where they could be? As far as the Louisiana National Guard, you’d have to ask the governor of Louisiana. Regarding other states, National Guard units are being mobilized by FEMA. > [@](#): > > 1. Get the word out - now! Stop dicking around. Tell the people what to do! This hurricane has been predicted for quite some time now, and it isn’t the first hurricane in the last decade - surely someone must have put together a domestic contingency plan while they were doing such a good job of planning the Iraqi war. Contingency plans for a storm hitting New Orleans are the responsibility of Louisiana and New Orleans. > [@](#): > > If the Democrats were in the White House while this shit was happening, there would be a Republican uproar and cries for impeachment. Allow me to dip into partisanship in response: the governor of Louisiana (again, on whom much of this responsibility falls) is a Democrat. In fact, since 1868, Louisiana has only had six Republican governors, according to Wikipedia. So why haven’t these Democratic governors allocated the money to adequately prepare Louisiana and/or New Orleans for a Category 5 hurricane in all that time? Why weren’t the levees strengthened before now? I’ll tell you why … because partisan shitheads just like you (on BOTH sides of the aisle) refuse to work together for the good of the people. Because short-sighted idiots will always seek to use tragedy to make political hay. Because divisiveness and backbiting is more fun than rolling up your sleeves and actually doing some work. You and your kind make me sick. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/44 "2005-08-31T18:14:39Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Every few years?, Nothing like this has ever happened in this country. Storms are one thing, but the breach of sea water like this is another entity entirely. Not an exact duplicate, of course, but are you aware of the [1900 Galveston hurricane?](http://www.1900storm.com/) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/45 "2005-08-31T18:17:07Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > **DMark** , there’s a time for partisan bickering, and there’s a time when partisan bickering makes you look like a festering pus-hole. Guess which time this is? Agreed. Plenty of good reasons to bash Bush. This ain’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/46 "2005-08-31T18:44:25Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > I’ll tell you why … because partisan shitheads just like you (on BOTH sides of the aisle) refuse to work together for the good of the people. Because short-sighted idiots will always seek to use tragedy to make political hay. Because divisiveness and backbiting is more fun than rolling up your sleeves and actually doing some work. > > You and your kind make me sick. Well put. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/47 "2005-08-31T18:49:53Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > **DMark** , there’s a time for partisan bickering, and there’s a time when partisan bickering makes you look like a festering pus-hole. Guess which time this is? Ah, yes - the typical Republican cry for unity: “Let’s all work together, you festering pus-holes.” I eagerly await the public opinion polls following this grand showing of crisis mis-management. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/48 "2005-08-31T19:03:40Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Ah, yes - the typical Republican cry for unity: “Let’s all work together, you festering pus-holes.” > > I eagerly await the public opinion polls following this grand showing of crisis mis-management. Jesus fuck, give it a rest already. This disaster is about the people of New Orleans, and decidedly not about Bush, so just cram it already. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/49 "2005-08-31T19:07:44Z")
> [@](#): > > by **Uncommon Sense** > Nothing like this has ever happened in this country. Storms are one thing, but the breach of sea water like this is another entity entirely. A big storm occurs every few years. A really big storm happens every century or so. Something like what is happening now was inveitable because of the way they put up levees. The levees keep water out, but once the water gets too high or the levee breaks, it actually makes things much worse. I won’t go into it all, but levees should _never_ be used like they are in the US. We keep building in land much too low. Also, in New Orleans, the levees have destroyed the old overflow sites, making it impossible for the water to go out like it used to. The Chinese method of hydro control probably killed more of their people than all the their wars combained - same principle as here. Part of the problem is land ownership law. If you lose your land to the river, you don’t get some back on the other side - it’s just gone to you. That makes people want to put of levees, and kep water flowing the way it used to. New Orleans would be _sans river_ by now except that they keep screwing with it. ---
**Author:** ![kelly5078](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6f9a4e/32.png) [@kelly5078](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kelly5078)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/50 "2005-08-31T19:23:22Z")
I’m ordinarily a Bush-basher, however… Everybody in Louisiana and Mississippi with a functioning brain knew that this was going to happen sooner or later. The state and local governments are to blame for not preparing adequately for this kind of emergency. Blanco’s pretty good for a Louisiana governor, but she’s spent a lot more effort making life tough on smokers than on dealing with the fact that southern LA is a vulnerable place. Here in Houston, BTW, everybody knows that the same thing is going to happen here eventually (except we won’t stay under water as long as N.O.). So what’s been done by way of preparation? About the same as New Orleans. The mayor suddenly says he’s paying attention; I hope so, because you can bet nothing’s going to come out of Austin. Bottom line: this ain’t Bush’s fault. I think he’s doing all that can be done. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/51 "2005-08-31T19:42:14Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > I eagerly await the public opinion polls following this grand showing of crisis mis-management. I’m sorry to say that you are in for a disappointment then. The only folks who are going to ding Bush about this are those who already would answer D, Bush is the Incarnation of Evil and all that is Wrong With the World Today! on the test. Like, well, you. And (surprisingly to me as he’s normally quite rational) BobLibDem if this thread is any indication. To help you out, I’d estimate that the majority of the posters in this thread can’t stand Bush…yet they seem to think you are a loon on this issue. Fancy that… -XT ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/52 "2005-08-31T19:53:40Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > And (surprisingly to me as he’s normally quite rational) BobLibDem if this thread is any indication. Thanks for the kind words. I’m sorry if I disappoint you. It just seems to me that: 1. The most pressing thing needed in the past two days is to get people rescued off of or from under their roofs. Unless the air traffic in N.O. was getting too crowded, the more helicopters and rescue watercraft, the better. The military should be able to bring such resources to bear very quickly and it just strikes me that the response should have been on the order of “shock and awe”. 2. It should not take days to evacuate a mere tens of thousands from the Superdome. Get a military transport plane as close as possible, unload whatever equipment it takes and get the job done. Ferry people from the dome to dry ground using whatever is handy, then bus them to a holding ground. Set up tents if you have to. If one compares the tsunami response to the hurricane response, I’m afraid the hurricane response seems lethargic. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/53 "2005-08-31T20:08:25Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > I’ll tell you why … because partisan shitheads just like you (on BOTH sides of the aisle) refuse to work together for the good of the people. Because short-sighted idiots will always seek to use tragedy to make political hay. Because divisiveness and backbiting is more fun than rolling up your sleeves and actually doing some work. > > You and your kind make me sick. Well put. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/54 "2005-08-31T20:12:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Thanks for the kind words. I’m sorry if I disappoint you. It just seems to me that: > > 1. The most pressing thing needed in the past two days is to get people rescued off of or from under their roofs. Unless the air traffic in N.O. was getting too crowded, the more helicopters and rescue watercraft, the better. The military should be able to bring such resources to bear very quickly and it just strikes me that the response should have been on the order of “shock and awe”. From [The Washington Post](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/31/AR2005083100724.html): “[R]escue teams have plucked 10,000 people from attics and roofs after they were stranded there by the floodwaters.” You’re saying that 10,000 people wasn’t much of an effort? > [@](#): > > 1. It should not take days to evacuate a mere tens of thousands from the Superdome. Get a military transport plane as close as possible, unload whatever equipment it takes and get the job done. Ferry people from the dome to dry ground using whatever is handy, then bus them to a holding ground. Set up tents if you have to. If one compares the tsunami response to the hurricane response, I’m afraid the hurricane response seems lethargic. From same article: “[T]he evacuation could take as long as two days to complete. They said some of the logistics depend on the extent of the flooding around the Superdome; they hope buses can be brought up to the building.” So, let’s see- when should we have sent the plane in? During the storm? Maybe right after the storm, before we had a chance to actually assess which areas were under water and which areas were in danger of being flooded? 'Cause that would have been great- “Transport planes drug under by sudden rising water- 10,000 refugees killed”. It seems to me that what you’re asking for was logistically and logically impossible; but because Bush didn’t wave his Presidential Magic Wand and make it suddenly safe and clear, it’s his fault. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/55 "2005-08-31T20:20:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 1. It should not take days to evacuate a mere tens of thousands from the Superdome. Get a military transport plane as close as possible, unload whatever equipment it takes and get the job done. Ferry people from the dome to dry ground using whatever is handy, then bus them to a holding ground. Set up tents if you have to. If one compares the tsunami response to the hurricane response, I’m afraid the hurricane response seems lethargic. You haven’t been reading the news then. "The Pentagon effort includes the Navy amphibious assault ship USS Bataan, whose helicopters have been flying relief missions from off the Louisiana coast. The ship, which resembles a small aircraft carrier, can produce large quantities of fresh water and is equipped with 600 hospital beds. (Watch video report on storm-related health risks) Several other ships, including a rescue and salvage vessel and the USS Iwo Jima, another amphibious assault ship, are on their way from Norfolk, Virginia, the Navy said. The USNS Comfort, a floating hospital based in Baltimore, Maryland, will depart in coming days. A medical crew from Bethesda Naval Hospital will staff the ship. It has full hospital capabilities, including operating rooms and hundreds of beds. More than 125,000 National Guard troops have been activated in 19 states and Washington, D.C., to help local agencies with traffic control, security, distributing food, and search and rescue, a Guard spokesman said. The Coast Guard, whose crews have been assisting in the rescue of people stranded by high water in the New Orleans area, is recalling 550 reservists to assist in the relief effort." [From here.](http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina.recovery/index.html) Speed of rescue isn’t the only factor. Safety, consistency and organization all take time. You do realise that the damage from the storm wasn’t isolated to NO only, right? there are five states that got hit pretty hard. Flooding all over the place and wind damage of unknown billions of dollars. How do you mobilise for everything everywhere in five different states at once? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/56 "2005-08-31T20:28:12Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Unless the air traffic in N.O. was getting too crowded, the more helicopters and rescue watercraft, the better. FWIW, the airspace over NO and vicinity is restricted to emergency and evacuation operations only. A Navy P-3 is providing advisory air traffic control. Louis Armstrong airport is closed due to lack of power, and may not reopen for weeks. The text of the current Notice to Airmen, for those of ya: > [@](#): > > 5/7601 ZHU PART 1 OF 2 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS NEW ORLEANS, LA. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.137(A)(1) TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY: 300622N/0902611W OR THE RESERVE /RQR/ VOR/DME 80.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 8.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 301017N/0895411W OR THE RESERVE /RQR/ VOR/DME 80.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 36.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295406N/0895324W OR THE RESERVE /RQR/ VOR/DME 105.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 38.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295157N/0901503W OR THE RESERVE /RQR/ VOR/DME 125.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 22.0 NAUTICAL MILES THEN TO 295100N/0902232W OR THE RESERVE /RQR/ VOR/DME 140.0 DEGREE RADIAL AT 18.0 NAUTICAL MILES BACK TO ORIGINAL POINT AT AND BELOW 5000 FEET MSL TO PROTECT PERSONS AND PROPERTY ON THE SURFACE OR IN THE AIR FROM HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EFFECTS OF THE HURRICANE, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE LOSSES, AND EMERGENCY OPERATIONS; TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR RELIEF AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS; AND TO ADDRESS THE LOSS OF RADAR, AIR-GROUND COMMUNICATIONS, AND AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) SERVICES. END PART 1 OF 2 > > PART 2 OF 2 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS NEW ORLEANS, LA. ONLY HURRICANE KATRINA DISASTER RELIEF AIRCRAFT SUCH AS MEDICAL EVACUATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDER, AND OTHER EMERGENCY OPERATIONS RELATED FLIGHTS IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF FEDERAL STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES ARE AUTHORIZED TO OPERATE WITHIN THIS TFR. ALL AIRCRAFT REQUESTING TO OPERATE WITHIN THE AREA MUST CONTACT THE FAA RECOVERY DESK AT 800-333-4286/703-904-4547 PRIOR TO DEPARTURE. ALL AIRCRAFT, ONCE AIRBORNE, MUST CONTACT CBP P-3, AIRCRAFT CALLSIGN OMAHA 44, WHICH IS SUPPORTING RELIEF AIR OPERATIONS DURING 0700-1600 LOCAL IN THE TFR AREA ON VHF 134.9 OR UHF 282.425 (BACKUP FREQUENCY 123.45) PRIOR TO ENTERING THE TFR AIRSPACE. ALL AIRCRAFT WILL REMAIN IN CONTACT WITH OMAHA44 FOR FLIGHT ADVISORIES. THE CBP P-3 AIRCRAFT WILL ONLY PROVIDE ADVISORY SERVICE TO FACILITATE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS AMONG THE PARTICIPATING AIRCRAFT AND WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING IN THE TFR AIRSPACE MUST EXERCISE EXTREME CAUTION, AS ATC RADAR, AIR- GROUND COMMUNICATIONS, AND RELATED SERVICES ARE VERY LIMITED OR UNAVAILABLE IN THE AREA. END PART 2 OF 2 ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/57 "2005-08-31T20:31:13Z")
According to [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6529542#post6529542), I am not the only Commie Pinko Loon who thinks Dubya is showing a lack of leadership and typical mis-managment. That supermarket rag, the New York Times, also seems to agree. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/58 "2005-08-31T20:33:36Z")
> [@](#): > > The military should be able to bring such resources to bear very quickly . . . There are, and rightly so, legal barriers to using regular military personnel and equipment inside the borders of the United States, too, ya know. That is, if by “military” you mean resources outside of the 125,000 National Guardsmen that have been activated. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/59 "2005-08-31T20:39:40Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > According to [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6529542#post6529542), I am not the only Commie Pinko Loon who thinks Dubya is showing a lack of leadership and typical mis-managment. That supermarket rag, the New York Times, also seems to agree. Your link goes to your own post. And the NYTimes article linked in the OP of that thread isn’t exactly what I call “critical” of Bush’s actions in the relief effort. It doesn’t even mention Bush, or anything he’s done/not done, with respect to relief efforts. It has but one lone sentence about Bush - and one that’s pretty meaningless anyway: “But this seems like the wrong moment to dwell on fault-finding, or even to point out that it took what may become the worst natural disaster in American history to pry President Bush out of his vacation.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394/60 "2005-08-31T20:45:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > FWIW, the airspace over NO and vicinity is restricted to emergency and evacuation operations only. A Navy P-3 is providing advisory air traffic control. Louis Armstrong airport is closed due to lack of power, and may not reopen for weeks. > > The text of the current Notice to Airmen, for those of ya: I’m glad someone can understand those notices. What I was thinking was the air traffic of all those rescue helicopters themselves. There has to be a point where there are too many helicopters. > [@](#): > > [R]escue teams have plucked 10,000 people from attics and roofs after they were stranded there by the floodwaters." Sure it’s a big effort. But if it’s out of 100,000 people, it isn’t enough. > [@](#): > > “[T]he evacuation could take as long as two days to complete. They said some of the logistics depend on the extent of the flooding around the Superdome; they hope buses can be brought up to the building.” And if buses can’t be brought up, what then? Rather than wait for buses, ferry them out by boat. > [@](#): > > So, let’s see- when should we have sent the plane in? During the storm? Maybe right after the storm, before we had a chance to actually assess which areas were under water and which areas were in danger of being flooded? 'Cause that would have been great- “Transport planes drug under by sudden rising water- 10,000 refugees killed”. I think they had a good enough idea of where the flooding was going to be. They could have erred on the side of caution by 100 miles, still better than not going. As soon as the winds died down they could have been within reasonable distance of the target. Certainly this is a multistate logistical nightmare. I’m just not convinced that our best and brightest are running the show here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-dubya-new-orleans-has-oil-so-do-something/319394.md?page=4)