# Hey Fox, can I see the game-winning play? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 11, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903 "2004-01-11T01:56:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/21 "2004-01-11T14:57:19Z")
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I saw the replay on Fox. Perhaps some markets went to commercial during the replay. I was happy to actually see CAR and STL up in the score banner during the game, those darn logos drove me nuts all year. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/22 "2004-01-11T16:41:08Z")
It’s obvious why the Rams use audibles. Martz thinks: There’s no way the QB can come up with something better, because I’m a football genius and my every call is perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Toddly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Toddly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toddly)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/23 "2004-01-11T16:57:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobLibDem \* > \*\*Maybe I’m in the minority, but I saw the replay on Fox. Perhaps some markets went to commercial during the replay. I was happy to actually see CAR and STL up in the score banner during the game, those darn logos drove me nuts all year. \*\* I saw a replay too. That was a hell of an overtime. That last interception was a great play and probably saved Carolina the game. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/24 "2004-01-11T17:40:27Z")
This must be catching, because I too was in the bathroom when the play happened, and I too was angry at Fox for not showing a replay. CBS didn’t show a replay until halftime of their game, either. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/25 "2004-01-11T17:46:46Z")
Fox did show a replay, but only straight after the touchdown was scored. Usually, with a big, game-ending play like that, they revisit it a few more times during the game wrap-up, but they didn’t last night. ---
**Author:** ![whitetho](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whitetho/32/1059_2.png) [@whitetho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whitetho)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/26 "2004-01-11T18:55:27Z")
I’m not a big football fan, but I’m a sucker for odd stuff. So I turned on my TV around 8:00 PM Eastern in order to watch New England play in 0[sup]o[/sup]F weather, hoping to see a player with his tongue frozen to the goal posts, or some such. But then I changed the channel, and was amazed to see that Carolina-Saint Louis was already halfway through the first overtime. I’ve never seen a football game go into a second overtime, so now my mission was clear. Go Second Overtime! I want a lot of time killing running plays! Stay in bounds! Miss that kick! Intercept that pass! And I was rewarded, with only the fifth double-overtime in NFL history. (I was particularly interested in what happens after the end of the first overtime period. Answer: not much, just a short break while a bunch of very tired players switch sides of the field.) Now a new goal–Go longest game in NFL history! Sadly that ended just 10 seconds later with a very ordinary slant pass–the least they could have done was run a triple-reverse with three laterals if they were going to spoil my fun. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/27 "2004-01-11T19:42:46Z")
The Cow Play has been run at least twice this past season, and both were shown on ESPN several times. I would be rather surprised if one were employed in the playoffs, let alone in overtime. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/28 "2004-01-11T19:49:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by A wizard song for thee \* > \*\*Well, I don’t want to hijack the dumbness that is FOX (though they forever lost my faith when they cancelled _Firefly_), I do want to join in the pile-on of Mike Martz. JUST GIVE THE BALL TO MARSHALL FUCKING FAULK, ALREADY! Jebus, man, you have what might still be the greatest player in the game in the backfield, but, nooo, you have to be Genius Coach of the Year and show everyone your flashy offense. Guess what? That’s what loses you football games. Bulger can’t be intercepted if he’s just fucking handing the ball to Faulk! I mean, sure, you don’t want to become one-dimensional, I get that, but you could emphasize the run to set up the pass instead of calling deep passes like a freaking spaz. That’s the beauty of the Rams. You have Marshall Faulk in the backfield, Torry Holt on one side and Isaac Bruce on the other. You have talent. This isn’t the Patriots, where Bellichick has to keep coming up with outlandish and unexpected gameplans in order to win. PLAY FUCKING FOOTBALL! Run the ball down their throats, and then, when they pile nine guys into the box to stop you, punish them by tossing it over their heads. Stop pretending that we should all bow down to your obvious genius, because, while you might be smart, I’m here to tell you that with a team built like yours is, there is no excuse for not being in the Super Bowl every year. I hope you get fired and banished to somewhere in BFE, just like Bill Callahan. > > Sorry for the rant, didn’t know it was going to go on that long. It’s just that it was Mike Martz’s superior attitude, coupled with Kurt Warner’s similar attitude and smirking face, that made me start to really despise the way the Rams’ organization is run. \*\* You know, I don’t know a lot about football, but I was watching the game with my hubby last night and he was flabbergasted at the coaching. The decision to play for a tie into an overtime and then the acceptance of those long field goal attempts was astounding to him. He said he had never seen such conservative coaching in a playoff game like this. As he put it, coahes are usually “balls out” and the RAMS coach especially appeared to afraid to even call a play. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/29 "2004-01-11T19:57:14Z")
Turn in the TV to CBS, **whitetho**. You might see the first NFL game in history with no punts by either team (still no punts in the middle of the third quarter). ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/30 "2004-01-11T19:58:25Z")
Excuse me: First NFL _playoff_ game with no punts by either team. There has been one regular season game with no punts by either team (forget the year and teams for that one). ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/31 "2004-01-11T20:52:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lissa \* > \*\*You know, I don’t know a lot about football, but I was watching the game with my hubby last night and he was flabbergasted at the coaching. The decision to play for a tie into an overtime and then the acceptance of those long field goal attempts was astounding to him. He said he had never seen such conservative coaching in a playoff game like this. As he put it, coahes are usually “balls out” and the RAMS coach especially appeared to afraid to even call a play. \*\* I apologize for my lack of proof-reading. Wrote it real fast. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/32 "2004-01-11T21:00:56Z")
Hey, it happened. No punts for the whole game. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/33 "2004-01-11T21:12:09Z")
I was so happy when that penalty stopped Indy from punting. Let’s think of new nicknames for Missouri: The Show Me Up State? The Choke Me State? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/34 "2004-01-11T21:12:31Z")
Yeah. And this confirmed my previously-held opinion that two teams with good offenses and crappy defenses makes for a pretty boring game. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/35 "2004-01-11T21:18:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by eli\_the\_fanatic \* > \*\*I was so happy when that penalty stopped Indy from punting. > > Let’s think of new nicknames for Missouri: The Show Me Up State? The Choke Me State? \*\* How about the “Sure We Have Great Running Backs, That Doesn’t Mean We Should Handoff” State? ---
**Author:** ![Toddly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@Toddly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toddly)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/36 "2004-01-11T21:22:07Z")
Martz’s decision not to give it a shot at the end of regulation looks now to be a mistake. Coaches are usually much more conservative in the the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/37 "2004-01-11T21:39:56Z")
**mehndo** , weren’t you intrigued by the fact that neither defense made a legitimate stop? Sure, there were two lucky turnovers and a missed FG, but the lack of punting indicates that this may have been the worse defensive game in playoff history. It’s history, man! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/38 "2004-01-11T21:47:00Z")
Doesn’t matter a bit. Your teams are all Patriot food anyway. ---
**Author:** ![eli\_the\_fanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ccd318/32.png) [@eli\_the\_fanatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eli_the_fanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2004, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/39 "2004-01-11T21:53:04Z")
My team is the Vikings, ElvisL1ves. The Patriots won’t get a chance to feast on the Vikings this season. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903/40 "2004-01-12T02:46:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*If you have ESPN you can always catch the replay on Sportscenter, **RTF**. I don’t subscribe to cable, so I don’t have ESPN. If it weren’t for NFL football, and (some years) the MLB playoffs, I wouldn’t have reason to even own a TV, let alone pay for a bunch of channels I’d never watch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-fox-can-i-see-the-game-winning-play/223903.md?page=3)