# Hey hauss, suck it up, chickenshit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2004, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802 "2004-12-14T16:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/41 "2004-12-14T19:00:02Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Yeah, cause really nothing else matters unless there’s a guaranteed supply of money. Who gives a shit if he wanted to be a father or not, we can take his money anyway. It’s not like _he_ can drop his kid off at the Safe Harbor. Fine, how much money can **Hauss’** girl have for diapers, from you? What amount are you willing to take from YOUR children’s mouth to pay for Hauss? I’m sure, you’ve already emailed Hauss and offered a donation. That’s the ulitmate result of allowing people to reproduce and walk away, with claims of, " I don’t want the burden." I will not willing pay for Hauss’ child. If I must, I will see him and his ilk rotting a cell, sucking cock, they same way his bastard child is suckling the teat of society. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/42 "2004-12-14T19:02:35Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I stand by my opinion that if women can choose whether or not to be a mother, financially and otherwise, after they know of a pregnancy, men should have the same option. > > Parenthood shouldn’t be forced upon anyone, male or female. So Catsix, who do you propose PAYS for a child, if one or the other parent decides they want one of the “legal abortions” you propose? In actual abortion, there is no financial issues (at least, none beyond the relatively cheap cost of abortion.) In the case where a child is born, someone must be responsible for paying for that child’s upbringing. If “legal abortion” is allowed, who pays? It ain’t fair that the father doesn’t have a choice, I agree with you there. But given the circumstances, it’s a hell of a lot fairer that the father pays than society at large. You seem to disagree with this, so I ask again - who pays for the child if the father is allowed to opt out? And, FYI, parenthood isn’t being forced on anyone here. You can pay your damn child support and not be a parent. Parenthood is a hell of a lot more than a financial obligation. I can’t believe it, but I’m agreeing with **Diogenes** on this one. Everyone watch out, the sky may be falling. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/43 "2004-12-14T19:03:23Z")
> [@Elret](#): > > But that is NOT what he did. > He asked what his OPTIONS were. > You don’t see a difference?? He is asking what is OPTIONS are in order to find an easy/legal way OUT OF TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. You don’t see there’s NOT a difference? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/44 "2004-12-14T19:05:11Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Actually, it does matter. Why do you think women gained that right? It’s because the alternative (deal with it) sucks. > > We call hauss a bunch of names because he wants an alternative to paying for a child for the next 18 years, we don’t call women names when they abort, they’re making the same sort of choice he’s asking about. > > “I don’t want to deal with a child” - if you’re a man, you’re an asshole, if you’re a woman, it’s your right to choose. A-fucking-men If \*\* hauss \*\* wanted custody of his kid and so did the mother what do you think the chances of him getting it are? About halfway between 0 and no fucking way. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/45 "2004-12-14T19:05:17Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I stand by my opinion that if women can choose whether or not to be a mother, financially and otherwise, after they know of a pregnancy, men should have the same option. > > Parenthood shouldn’t be forced upon anyone, male or female. The man surrenders any such right as soon as places his penis in a vagina. ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/46 "2004-12-14T19:05:35Z")
Ooops, I spoke too soon, I see you replied to the payment issue up above, Catsix. You’re basically supporting the idea that society pays for the child if the father opts out, since that’s ultimately who pays if the woman can’t afford it on her own. Heh. Guess we just disagree on that one. When are you sending your check to Hauss’s pregnant girlfriend? ---
**Author:** ![Athena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/35a633/32.png) [@Athena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Athena)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/47 "2004-12-14T19:07:42Z")
> [@treis](#): > > A-fucking-men > > If \*\* hauss \*\* wanted custody of his kid and so did the mother what do you think the chances of him getting it are? About halfway between 0 and no fucking way. Not true at all. My brother fought for and gained custody of his daughter, over his ex’s protests. It’s very possible for a man to gain custody of a child, even if the mother also wants custody. In these cases, the child typically goes to the parent who can best demonstrate that they can provide a solid home for the child. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/48 "2004-12-14T19:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > **holmes** said: > Fine, how much money can Hauss’ girl have for diapers, from you? What amount are you willing to take from YOUR children’s mouth to pay for Hauss? I’m sure, you’ve already emailed Hauss and offered a donation. What part of ‘if she singularly wants the kid, she should singularly support it’ do you not understand? She is the _only one_ who wants this kid. Why shouldn’t she be the only one to pay for it? > [@](#): > > **Athena** said: > So Catsix, who do you propose PAYS for a child, if one or the other parent decides they want one of the “legal abortions” you propose? In actual abortion, there is no financial issues (at least, none beyond the relatively cheap cost of abortion.) In the case where a child is born, someone must be responsible for paying for that child’s upbringing. If “legal abortion” is allowed, who pays? The person who wants the kid. Can’t afford it? Tough titty. You shouldn’t be allowed to finance your life decisions (like motherhood) through some unwilling person’s wallet. > [@](#): > > It ain’t fair that the father doesn’t have a choice, I agree with you there. But given the circumstances, it’s a hell of a lot fairer that the father pays than society at large. Yeah, because it only screws men out of their money. Really, who gives a fuck if a man can’t afford a non-roach infested apartment? He’s just a whiny man for not wanting to fork over money for a kid he never wanted. Screw him. Holy hell and damnation would be raised if women were treated that way. > [@](#): > > And, FYI, parenthood isn’t being forced on anyone here. You can pay your damn child support and not be a parent. Which is even _worse_. I hold special contempt for women who get pregnant to a boyfriend, break up with him because they just don’t ‘like’ him anymore, will lie and scheme to make sure he _never_ gets to see the kid, and still use him as a money tree with legs. I have seen more than a couple of those where I currently work, and they make me fucking ill. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/49 "2004-12-14T19:08:46Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > I stand by my opinion that if women can choose whether or not to be a mother, financially and otherwise, after they know of a pregnancy, men should have the same option. > > Parenthood shouldn’t be forced upon anyone, male or female. Nobody is saying he has to be a parent to the child. But if he chooses to walk away, leaving the girl to raise the child, he still has a financial responsibility. And since when can a woman deny financial responsibility? If a woman walks out and daddy is raising baby, then SHE has to pay child support. If the woman terminates the pregnancy, neither of them have any financial or parental responsibility, if she keeps the kid then they both have responsibility. How in the hell do you see this as skewed? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/50 "2004-12-14T19:09:38Z")
> [@](#): > > **Athena** said: > You’re basically supporting the idea that society pays for the child if the father opts out, since that’s ultimately who pays if the woman can’t afford it on her own. Nope, I’m saying that if you want the kid, you pay for it. Solo. You yourself. If you can’t do that, then having a kid is a bad fucking choice. Perhaps you ought to be giving it up rather than insisting someone else pay for your choice to be mommy. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/51 "2004-12-14T19:10:14Z")
> [@Athena](#): > > Not true at all. My brother fought for and gained custody of his daughter, over his ex’s protests. It’s very possible for a man to gain custody of a child, even if the mother also wants custody. In these cases, the child typically goes to the parent who can best demonstrate that they can provide a solid home for the child. Show me an instance where a young child i.e. 0-3 years old was given sole custody to the father over the mothers objections and I will retract it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/52 "2004-12-14T19:13:02Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > ``` > <snip> > > ``` > > Which is even _worse_. I hold special contempt for women who get pregnant to a boyfriend, break up with him because they just don’t ‘like’ him anymore, will lie and scheme to make sure he _never_ gets to see the kid, and still use him as a money tree with legs. I have seen more than a couple of those where I currently work, and they make me fucking ill. \ The mother cannot deny the father the right to see the child. If she tries to, he has the right to go to court and the law will see to it that he sees the kid. (Unless he’s proven unfit to) ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/53 "2004-12-14T19:14:38Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > She took her pants off anyway. By doing so, she accepted the risks as they currently stand, and so she has to accept responsibility for the consequences. > > And if she’s chosen single motherhood, then she has chosen a tough, tough life. Why should someone else who didn’t choose to be a parent be forced to foot the bill (or even a substantial part of the bill)? If a woman does not believe in having an abortion, then having the baby is not a choice. Period. I don’t think anyone could seriously argue that women opposed to abortion should be compelled to have one. It’s all well and good to talk about women choosing to have/keep children against the wishes of the father as if she were choosing to have Chinese for dinner when he’d rather have Italian, but doing so discounts the deep biological and emotional instincts drilled into women by millions of years of evolution. Biology should be fair, but it’s not. To cast the decision to have an abortion or to give a child up for adoption as an independent life choice by a woman as one that should take into account the convenience for the man over the life of her child is to pretend that biological differences don’t exist. And that’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/54 "2004-12-14T19:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > **The Chao Goes Mu** said: > Nobody is saying he has to be a parent to the child. But if he chooses to walk away, leaving the girl to raise the child, he still has a financial responsibility. If she chooses to be a single mommy, then she can damn well be one. That means not stealing money out of someone else’s pocket who _didn’t_ want to bring a kid in the world so that she can have what she wants. If she can’t afford it, there’s adoption and abortion. Deal with it. > [@](#): > > And since when can a woman deny financial responsibility? If a woman walks out and daddy is raising baby, then SHE has to pay child support. Since she can walk up to any hospital in Pennsylvania and under the Safe Harbor program turn a newborn in, no questions asked, not even her name. > [@](#): > > If the woman terminates the pregnancy, neither of them have any financial or parental responsibility, if she keeps the kid then they both have responsibility. Because she can unilaterally decide what happens to his financial future. > [@](#): > > The mother cannot deny the father the right to see the child. If she tries to, he has the right to go to court and the law will see to it that he sees the kid. (Unless he’s proven unfit to) Bullshit. My own cousin (damn am I ashamed to be related to such a piece of trash) went and filed a false PFA against someone she was no longer seeing and who she admitted had never hit or threatened her to keep him away from the kid but still have his child support. This was done because he wanted to take his daughter to see her grandparents. He has absolutely no right to see the kid at all, but she’s still rolling in the cash. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/55 "2004-12-14T19:15:13Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Show me an instance where a young child i.e. 0-3 years old was given sole custody to the father over the mothers objections and I will retract it. My ex-husband. He fought for sole custody, won, and the mother was only allowed every other weekend visits and only more than that at his discretion. He was proven more fit and she only fit for visitation. I raised her kids for her. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/56 "2004-12-14T19:17:34Z")
> [@](#): > > **Giraffe** said: > It’s all well and good to talk about women choosing to have/keep children against the wishes of the father as if she were choosing to have Chinese for dinner when he’d rather have Italian, but doing so discounts the deep biological and emotional instincts drilled into women by millions of years of evolution. Well, this is bullshit. So she strongly desires to be mommy, single mommy, without daddy around and knowing that he doesn’t want the kid. That’s exactly what she should be: single mommy. She wants the kid? It’s hard-wired in that she wants the kid? Then isn’t it hard-wired in that she should **provide for it**? It seems that unfair’s fine as long as it’s men who get the short end. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/57 "2004-12-14T19:19:46Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Nope, I’m saying that if you want the kid, you pay for it. Solo. You yourself. If you can’t do that, then having a kid is a bad fucking choice. Perhaps you ought to be giving it up rather than insisting someone else pay for your choice to be mommy. So, I’m guessing you DON’T think it takes a village to raise a child. ---
**Author:** ![Theodore\_Striker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Theodore\_Striker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Theodore_Striker)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/58 "2004-12-14T19:21:35Z")
I’m not sure where I see him asking for “options” in any of his posts. What I am seeing is a person who made an adult decision, and now has to deal with it. Is it a difficult situation? Very much so. Do I wish it the situation on anyone else? Hell no! But I do expect a person who makes an adult decision to deal with it as an adult. He is not “fucking scum” because he made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes. He is “fucking scum” because he is trying to find a way to shirk responsibility for his actions. If he does indeed withhold his child support obligation, he is not only screwing the child, but also the taxpayers that have to clean up his mess. Is it unfair for the woman to make the decision to have the child without him having input on the situation? Yes it is, but those are risks a person takes, and he knew those risks going in, no pun intended. **Hauss** simply needs to grow up and deal with the consequences of his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji\_Kitakyusho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@Fuji\_Kitakyusho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji_Kitakyusho)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/59 "2004-12-14T19:25:11Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > There are some people who believe that as long as women have the option of an abortion thus absolving themselves of motherhood, men should have the option of a ‘legal abortion’ to absolve themselves of fatherhood. > > That is obviously not the case under the law now, but in my opinion and the opinion of others, it should be. Nobody should be forced to be a parent, financially or otherwise, against their will. > > And if you argue that it’s a man’s responsibility to care for a child because he chose to have sex, does that mean you’re also opposed to abortion because it’s a woman’s responsibility to care for a child if she chose to have sex? catsix - Dead right on. My heart goes out to hauss - I know how he feels. While I would never advocate shirking parental responsibility, I am bothered by a system which overtly favours the mother when making such a life-altering decision. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/60 "2004-12-14T19:25:14Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > What part of ‘if she singularly wants the kid, she should singularly support it’ do you not understand? She is the _only one_ who wants this kid. Why shouldn’t she be the only one to pay for it?.. > > The person who wants the kid. Can’t afford it? Tough titty. You shouldn’t be allowed to finance your life decisions (like motherhood) through some unwilling person’s wallet. So then we allow children to starve on the streets? Foster care? What’s the next solution? Or do you think this ends, when the unwilling person gets to keep what’s in is wallet? So we all get to keep are wallets intact? I like it. Of course having a generation of angry, uneducated youth may not be the best thing for society, but hey we all get to keep what’s in our wallets…especially the one person who actually had a hand in creating that person. I hope your doors are locked and you’re packing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802.md?page=4)