# Hey hauss, suck it up, chickenshit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2004, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802 "2004-12-14T16:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/161 "2004-12-15T01:41:13Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#): > > If abortion is “taking responsibility” then so is strangling the baby with the umbilical cord and throwing it in the dumpster. Hysterically over the top much? If a pregnancy is terminated then there never was a baby. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/162 "2004-12-15T01:46:31Z")
[Child](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=child). Its a child. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Only if the father makes no attempt to claim custody. If he wants it he can have it. He shouldn’t have to claim custody. The mother shouldn’t be able to give up the child for adoption without the consent of the father. A father can’t take his child from the hospital and give it up for adoption. The mother doesn’t have to go to court to claim custody, why should the father? > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Screaming “murder” is just childish, and not true and utterly unhelpful. I didn’t scream murder fuckface I said kill. And yes abortion is KILLING YOUR CHILD. You can deny it all you want but whatever that is in the uterus is your child and you are ending its life. Scarlett- Are you planning on adding anything here or just making stupid ass comments? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/163 "2004-12-15T01:47:48Z")
Its also a [baby](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=baby) ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/164 "2004-12-15T01:51:20Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Its also a [baby](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=baby) And I guess a sperm is a teenager, huh? And a fertilized egg is a middle-aged woman? It’s people like you who make me wish I could get pregnant, just so I could go out and have an abortion to _piss you off._ ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/165 "2004-12-15T01:53:37Z")
If you are pro-life (and I’m pro-life-leaning myself), I don’t see how you justify “two wrongs making a right.” So an abortion is wrong. Fine, I totally understand that. So how does that make child abandonment and shirking your moral responsibility _right_? How is that good or fair for the kid? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/166 "2004-12-15T01:56:16Z")
I am sorry if it bothers you that a fetus is a child and a baby. Don’t get all pissy at me becuase of the fact that abortion is killing your child. Piss me off? It doesn’t piss me off that people get abortions its their conscience they have to live with killing their child. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/167 "2004-12-15T01:58:26Z")
That last sentance doesn’t make sense. Add a period after conscience and capitalize the ‘t’ in ‘the’. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/168 "2004-12-15T02:02:00Z")
> [@treis](#): > > [Child](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=child). Its a child.p Looks like somebody managed to shoehorn a false definition into the [dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) site. It’s wrong, of course. > [@](#): > > He shouldn’t have to claim custody. The mother shouldn’t be able to give up the child for adoption without the consent of the father. A father can’t take his child from the hospital and give it up for adoption. The mother doesn’t have to go to court to claim custody, why should the father? You have no fucking hint of a clue what you’re talking about. In order for a father to have any rights, you moron, he has to _tell somebody he’s the father_. What are the courts supposed to do, _guess_ who the father is? A woman CANNOT give up a child for adoption against the will of the father. All he has to do is assert his rights. However, if no one is willing to come forward and identify himself as the father or contest the adoption then there is no reason to get his permission. > [@](#): > > I didn’t scream murder fuckface I said kill. And yes abortion is KILLING YOUR CHILD. Hysterical, deluded bullshit. It’s not a child, no matter how much you scream that it is. > [@](#): > > You can deny it all you want but whatever that is in the uterus is your child and you are ending its life. Sorry. I don’t find your screaming assertions to be very convincing. A blastocyte is not a fucking “child.” Has screaming ever made any of your other fantasies come true? Maybe you can conjure up a three way with Coors Light twins. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/169 "2004-12-15T02:09:12Z")
Oh excuse me what was I thinking taking the word of a fucking dictionary over yours Diogenes. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > In order for a father to have any rights, you moron, he has to tell somebody he’s the father. What are the courts supposed to do, guess who the father is? You went to court before your children were born and sued for custody? Or did you put your name on the birth certificate when they were born? If you waited for the birth certificate too bad becuase your child could have been gone before you even knew it was born. All I want is for some consistancy. Mom can’t give child up without the consent of the father and Dad can’t give up the baby without the consent of the Mother. Whats so fucking unreasonable about that? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/170 "2004-12-15T02:14:04Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > In order for a father to have any rights, you moron, he has to _tell somebody he’s the father_. What are the courts supposed to do, _guess_ who the father is? > > A woman CANNOT give up a child for adoption against the will of the father. All he has to do is assert his rights. However, if no one is willing to come forward and identify himself as the father or contest the adoption then there is no reason to get his permission. _If he knows_. My cousin, happily married for the last five years, suddenly found out that he was the father of a thirteen-year-old girl, thanks to a previous girlfriend. He had no clue that his ex had even been pregnant. Now he’s paying back child support, by the way. A rare circumstance, to be sure (hopefully!). The point is, though, that if his ex had put the girl up for adoption, he would never have known that he was a father. He would never have known he had to assert his rights. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/171 "2004-12-15T02:15:05Z")
eight. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji\_Kitakyusho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f0a364/32.png) [@Fuji\_Kitakyusho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji_Kitakyusho)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/172 "2004-12-15T02:16:24Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > To elaborate on that, say my friend plants an acorn near my house. If I let it grow into a tree, and the tree falls on my house causing damage, should my friend have to pay half the bill? If you’re going to use an analogy, at least make it as accurate as possible. Let’s say your friend planted the acorn, and it started to grow, and then your friend came back, having realized it wasn’t a good idea, and tried to convince you to pull the tree out of the ground, or cut it down when it grew, but you refused and let it grow, and then it fell on your house. Is he responsible then? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/173 "2004-12-15T02:25:52Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Don’t get all pissy at me becuase of the fact that abortion is killing your child. Actually, this is your opinion, and a fine one to have too! I totally respect your right to hold it. I don’t share it, but I respect your right to hold it. Calling it a fact, however, does not make it a fact. I can call my chair a glider, but if I roll out the window on it I’m not going to glide much. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/174 "2004-12-15T02:27:57Z")
> [@Elret](#): > > This is exactly what’s bothering me about this situation. I cannot imagine this post being directed at a scared, pregnant young woman who posted to ask if she had any options other than raising the baby. > > I believe that people would console her and offer support, some would explain various options, a handful would come in to adamantly request that she not consider abortion, and the odd few would lecture her on how she should have been more careful. I can’t at all imagine anyone calling her “fucking scum”, I really can’t. There have been plenty of Pittings of women who, while technically “raising” their children, ignore crucial responsibilities. Women who leave their children in locked cars in the summertime while they get their hair done, for instance, are routinely referred to as “fucking scum”. **catsix** , you’re making it sound as if **hauss** ’s GF is asking him to pay 100% of the cost of raising the child. He’ll only be required to **share** the expense. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/175 "2004-12-15T02:34:55Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Oh excuse me what was I thinking taking the word of a fucking dictionary over yours Diogenes. Live and learn. > [@](#): > > You went to court before your children were born and sued for custody? Or did you put your name on the birth certificate when they were born? If you waited for the birth certificate too bad becuase your child could have been gone before you even knew it was born. All I want is for some consistancy. Mom can’t give child up without the consent of the father and Dad can’t give up the baby without the consent of the Mother. Whats so fucking unreasonable about that? Nobody was trying to put my kid up for adoption, numbnuts. How easy do you think it is for a woman to do that? One more time: A woman _can’t_ give up a kid for adoption against the will of the father. If the father wants the kid, all he has to do is say so. When a woman goes to put a kid up for adoption, they _will_ try to assertain who the father is and get his permission. The only way they don’t get permission is if they can’t figure out who it is and no one comes forward. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/176 "2004-12-15T02:35:25Z")
Dave- Child and Baby also refer to fetuses. ‘Chair’ does not refer to ‘glider’. When you are talking to a pregnant women you ask ‘Whats your babies name’ or ‘Is this your first child’. You don’t go well it looks like you are 9 weeks along what are you going to name your blastocyte. You don’t say it looks like you are 24 weeks along and ask if its your first fetus. If you want to sugarcoat it and ignore the fact that its your child and you’re ending its life by calling it a lump or cells or a fetus by all means do so. Its your body do what you want with it but that fetus inside of you is your child it is your baby and if you get an abortion you kill it. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/177 "2004-12-15T02:42:29Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Nobody was trying to put my kid up for adoption, numbnuts. How easy do you think it is for a woman to do that? Extremely easy. She walks up to a hospital, firestation, police station or any participating facility and leaves the baby there no questions asked. The hospital then takes it and puts it up for adoption. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > One more time: A woman _can’t_ give up a kid for adoption against the will of the father. If the father wants the kid, all he has to do is say so. When a woman goes to put a kid up for adoption, they _will_ try to assertain who the father is and get his permission. The only way they don’t get permission is if they can’t figure out who it is and no one comes forward. One more time. A mother can give birth and then drop off the child at a hospital providing no information. No questions asked. The hospital has no chance of finding the father and the father as far as I can tell has no chance of finding the baby. After the Mom drops the baby off it goes up for adoption, what did you expect it to magically poof out of existance? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/178 "2004-12-15T02:46:55Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Extremely easy. She walks up to a hospital, firestation, police station or any participating facility and leaves the baby there no questions asked. The hospital then takes it and puts it up for adoption. Incorrect, douchey. It doesn’t work that way at all. > [@](#): > > One more time. A mother can give birth and then drop off the child at a hospital providing no information. No questions asked. The hospital has no chance of finding the father and the father as far as I can tell has no chance of finding the baby. After the Mom drops the baby off it goes up for adoption, what did you expect it to magically poof out of existance? Incorrect, douchey. If a father wants custody, all he has to do is say so_before the kid is born_. If he tells a court he wants the kid, then the mother will not be allowed to dump it at a safe haven (at least not without being charged with contempt of court). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/179 "2004-12-15T02:48:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Child and Baby also refer to fetuses No they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802/180 "2004-12-15T02:49:08Z")
> [@treis](#): > > Child and Baby also refer to fetuses. ‘Chair’ does not refer to ‘glider’. > > When you are talking to a pregnant women you ask ‘Whats your babies name’ or ‘Is this your first child’. You don’t go well it looks like you are 9 weeks along what are you going to name your blastocyte. You don’t say it looks like you are 24 weeks along and ask if its your first fetus. If you want to sugarcoat it and ignore the fact that its your child and you’re ending its life by calling it a lump or cells or a fetus by all means do so. I can go into a restaurant in Pittsburgh and ask for a “pop”. They will bring me a soft drink. I can do the same thing here in LA, but I’ll have to tell them that I want a soft drink. They’ll say “Oh, you mean a soda,” and bring me a soft drink. In Texas, they’ll say, “Oh, you mean a coke. You want Coke coke, Pepsi coke, orange coke?” Then they’ll bring me the kind of soft drink I request. A soft drink is a soft drink no matter what you call it. A fetus is a fetus no matter what you call it. And it is **not** a child, no matter how vehemently you insist that it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-hauss-suck-it-up-chickenshit/279802.md?page=10)