# Hey, Islamo-fascist freaks - STEP IN HERE **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293 "2004-09-21T08:24:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DirkGntly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DirkGntly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirkGntly)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/1 "2004-09-21T08:24:11Z")
I grieve for the family of Eugene Armstrong. I hope they have the strength to endure, in spite of the violence of his passing. The video is wrenching. Moreso than the previous videos because it is obvious he is alive, and he is sobbing. He is _ **completely aware that he is about to die.** _ The beheading itself is especially gruesome, and I won’t go into detail about it. I am completely enraged. You Islamo-fascists have done it again and it infuriates me. There are not words to accurately describe what I feel and what I desire, so instead I choose something rather unconventional: I choose to curse you. I choose to curse you in the old-fashioned Middle-Eastern sense of the word; a method you can and do understand. I curse you and wish that when you eventually die (as we all must), that you perish in a vat of pig’s blood, by the hand of an “infidel,” and that when they bury you, that you are buried face-down in an unmarked ditch. I heap upon you the curse of Jezebel; that dogs would devour your bones and your blood, leaving only your hands and feet - for your hands and feet are accursed. They are the tools of your depravity. I curse your descendants, your line and your heirs, that they would meet the same fate as you and that your family name would cease to exist from the face of the earth. I heap upon you a curse of Yahweh, for you are usurpers; descendants of the illegitimate son of a tent-maid with no promise other than that you would become a great nation. You feign peace, but actually intend submission; you have indeed become a great nation in number, but your end comes quickly. The hand of Jehovah has been stayed against you because of your father, Abraham, but the hand will be stayed no longer. The full measure of the original blessing has been fulfilled; it is time to reap the curse. I curse your land and your holdings; may they be scattered to the winds and delivered into the hands of “infidels” and Jews, for they deserve the blessing and you do not. Your current power is but a vapor; it will vanish as smoke on a windy day. Your wealth is an illusion and will be taken from you before your eyes, and you will witness its dispersion to those you deem unworthy and you will despair. I curse your religion and I curse your god, for Allah is not Yahweh. Your father, Ishmael, knew Yahweh, but you have turned from him to worship a false prophet and an illegitimate god. Realize this day that because of your ways, because of your deceptions, because of your illegitimacy, that you will burn in the fires of sheol, where no water can quench your thirst and no salve can soothe your flesh. There is no redemption of you that can be made; no restitution can be had on your behalf in the name of your religion. You will come to find your religion hollow, powerless, meaningless. It will haunt you and you will hunger, but you will not be filled. Those who are blessed, are blessed, and those who are cursed, are cursed. You are accursed, and will remain so. You will not be redeemed, and you will not find favor of either men or gods. Yahweh has turned his back on you, and Allah cannot save you. Your end comes, and it comes quickly; prepare yourself as best you may, but there will be no consolation, no personal peace. The world will know and see you for who you are, their eyes will be opened and you will have no place to hide, no refuge, no comfort. Those you thought were your allies will turn on you. You will say, “Friend,” and they will reply, “I do not know you.” You will be pursued by those you fear and by those you once trusted. They will be given power over you and your lineage from now until the end. May your end be swift, merciless, and judgment true. So be it. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/2 "2004-09-21T10:29:49Z")
Yeah! What he said! :eek: And, let me just add… Yikes. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/3 "2004-09-21T10:35:57Z")
Wow, it’s a good thing that every single Muslim in the world approves of beheading people, or the OP might seem a bit over the top. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/4 "2004-09-21T11:12:27Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Wow, it’s a good thing that **every single** Muslim in the world approves of beheading people, or the OP might seem a bit over the top. \*Bolding mine. Is it actually necessary to show that **every single** member of a group fulfills a given criteria before condeming that group? Given that requirement we would have to say that the NAZI party contained a few misguided individuals. How about the Khmer Rouge? I’m sure they weren’t **all** mass murderers but the organization certainly was. Testy ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/5 "2004-09-21T11:16:05Z")
But can you say that more than a small minority agree with these extremist assholes? It’s like damning all Christians because Jack Chick is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/6 "2004-09-21T11:20:44Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > Is it actually necessary to show that **every single** member of a group fulfills a given criteria before condeming that group? Given that requirement we would have to say that the NAZI party contained a few misguided individuals. How about the Khmer Rouge? I’m sure they weren’t **all** mass murderers but the organization certainly was. Paragraphs 4 and 5 seem to be the problem. Would you condemn the IRA by cursing all of Ireland? Or by cursing the Christian god as worshipped by Catholics? Coz that’s what **DirkGntly** is doing. I quite appreciate the sentiments of the OP, BTW, it’s just his curse encompasses things that pertain to all of Islam, not just these bloodthirsty fucking bastards. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/7 "2004-09-21T11:30:00Z")
Ah this will be a fun thread. You might want to narrow down that brush a bit. BTW if it isn’t painfully clear, we should pull out of that fucking hellhole. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/8 "2004-09-21T11:34:17Z")
But who is the group we should be condeming? Do they have a name? Am I supposed to just condemn Muslims and hope the right one gets the message? Should I complain if Mrs mama-Iraqi condems “all Westerners” because her son was killed? The allied forces are not known for beheading people…but they have made their fair share of orphans, childless mothers, grieving fathers etc. Is a mother’s loss any greater if her son was beheaded or bombed? I’m not being sarcastic. I ask this honestly. Their are evil people in this world. Evil people who affect the lives of the innocent. They come in many forms, serial killers, opportunistic killers, thieves who feel backed into a corners, drug dealers who feel cheated, jealous spouses etc etc. They all feel they have the right to take a life. Then there are those who kill because they have been told to, soldiers, terroists (soldiers with a different name?). The whole fucking thing is disgusting. NO ONE wants to see captives beheaded. I hope NO ONE wants to see anymore Iraqi deaths though. As long as one happens the other is sure to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/9 "2004-09-21T11:49:11Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Paragraphs 4 and 5 seem to be the problem. Would you condemn the IRA by cursing all of Ireland? Or by cursing the Christian god as worshipped by Catholics? Coz that’s what **DirkGntly** is doing. > > I quite appreciate the sentiments of the OP, BTW, it’s just his curse encompasses things that pertain to all of Islam, not just these bloodthirsty fucking bastards. Well no, I wouldn’t curse all of Ireland over what the IRA does/did. What I **would** do is curse all of the IRA. (Or their opponents, take your pick) As far as religions go, I would curse them all. Just one more damn reason to kill your neighbors because they aren’t like you only now you have God’s blessing on whatever atrocities you may commit. As far as Islam in particular goes, that particular group of believers in a “loving God” seems to spawn an inordinate amount of terrorists. That is simply an observation and is not meant to imply that **all** of them are terrorists or that other groups haven’t had their own terrorists. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/10 "2004-09-21T11:51:05Z")
Why don’t we get real brutal with those Catholics while we are at it, after all Hitler was [one](http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm). In all seriousness, curse scum because they are scum. It is not necessary to extend your hate to those who happen to share a religion, race or nationality. Down that road lies bigotry and prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/11 "2004-09-21T11:52:04Z")
Would you curse all catholics though? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/12 "2004-09-21T11:52:11Z")
Oh yeah I forgot to mention this little nugget. The group that is doing all these beheadings is supposedly led by this guy Al qaeda guy Al Zarqawi. I’m sure you’ve heard a lot about him, he’s kind of like a new OBL, (makes a nice scapegoat for everything, even things he didn’t do). Anyway, before the war, the pentagon went to the Bush administration 3 TIMES with a plan to kill him (and Clinton is called a loser because he didn’t “take out” OBL? wtf), AND BUSH REJECTED IT. So keep that in mind when we’re watching all these people bandy his name about this week. Of course no one will bother to point out that he was in Kurdistan, and SH wasn’t aware he was in Iraq at all. Further, people will neglect to mention that if he had been killed then, there would not have been a tenuous AQ link for Bushies to exploit. Now I’m not going to put the severed head directly in Bush’s lap, but every time someone’s head is sawed off, and you hear about how evil Zarqawi is, remember this. He was purposely left to live to as a weak attempt to justify the invasion of Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/13 "2004-09-21T11:53:09Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > Well no, I wouldn’t curse all of Ireland over what the IRA does/did. But the OP says: > [@](#): > > I curse your land and your holdings; may they be scattered to the winds and delivered into the hands of “infidels” and Jews, for they deserve the blessing and you do not. that sounds like he wants _Islamic_ land to be taken from the current inhabitants, not all of whom are terrorists. > [@](#): > > I curse your religion and I curse your god That’s not specific to the terrorists either. BTW, I don’t believe in God or Allah or curses. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/14 "2004-09-21T11:57:48Z")
Sorry, I meant to say: “BTW, I don’t believe in God or Allah or curses, but I do know good Muslims, and I don’t like to see them tainted by the condemnation of Islam based on the religion of the terrorists.” ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/15 "2004-09-21T11:58:39Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Why don’t we get real brutal with those Catholics while we are at it, after all Hitler was [one](http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm). > > In all seriousness, curse scum because they are scum. It is not necessary to extend your hate to those who happen to share a religion, race or nationality. Down that road lies bigotry and prejudice. Well, if you had stopped after race and nationality I’d have been with you a hundred percent. Religion OTOH, is a **choice.** And yes, assuming the Catholic church aided and approved of Hitler then they didn’t take nearly the amount of crap they should have over the issue. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/16 "2004-09-21T12:07:21Z")
Which is worse? - Killing an innocent on video with a blade? or - Killing thousands of innocents anonymously with cruise missiles and artillery? Get at grip. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/17 "2004-09-21T12:10:18Z")
**Testy:** _I curse your religion and I curse your god, for Allah is not Yahweh. Your father, Ishmael, knew Yahweh, but you have turned from him to worship a false prophet and an illegitimate god._ If what you’re cursing here is the “Islamo-fascist” terrorists’ **interpretation** of their religion, which is leading them to do all these abominable things, then I’m with you on this one (except for not believing in gods or curses, but never mind that now). If, on the other hand, you’re cursing Islam _per se_ and saying that **all** Muslims worship an “illegitimate god” and follow a “false prophet” (n.b.: Muslims do not “worship” the Prophet Muhammad), then you are grossly insulting Muslims as a whole and exposing yourself as a blatant religious bigot. You may not want to go there. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/18 "2004-09-21T12:12:03Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > And yes, assuming the Catholic church aided and approved of Hitler then they didn’t take nearly the amount of crap they should have over the issue. That is the point. Hitler no more represented Catholicism that these fuckheads represent Islam. I know plenty of Moslems, and not one of them is a violent pychopath. The OP casts its net of hate around an entire religion, and that is plain and simple bigotry. The world has more than enough bigots as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/19 "2004-09-21T12:12:17Z")
[Islamo-fascist] _Exxcceeeelllennt!!_ Our plan is working perfectl! The infidels, in their rage, will lash out and create many martyrs, and the faithful will see that our cause is just. There will be many more willing to die for our cause! [/Islamo-fascist] > [@](#): > > Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. > [@](#): > > "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. > > "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/20 "2004-09-21T12:13:55Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > Which is worse? > > - Killing an innocent on video with a blade? > > or > > - Killing thousands of innocents anonymously with cruise missiles and artillery? > > Get at grip. How about we condemn both? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293.md?page=2)