# Hey, Islamo-fascist freaks - STEP IN HERE **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293 "2004-09-21T08:24:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/21 "2004-09-21T12:15:34Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > But the OP says:that sounds like he wants _Islamic_ land to be taken from the current inhabitants, not all of whom are terrorists.That’s not specific to the terrorists either. > > BTW, I don’t believe in God or Allah or curses. Well, I don’t believe in any supernatural things either. OTOH, when some religiously frenzied bastard decides to kill a few people in the name of his god you really can’t prove god **didn’t** tell him to do it. The murderer may actually believe it. As far as the OP’s old testament type curse, I thought it was over the top and I don’t really agree with it anyway. I just get irritated when someone trots out the mantra of: “not **every single person** in group X did something bad so you can’t say group X is bad.” I disagree intensely with that sentiment. Some groups **are** bad (defined as violent, intolerant, xenophobic, etc) and when someone voluntarily associates themselves with that group then they are also ‘bad.’ Nor do I see why religions should be exempt from criticism. Official teachings are one thing but when people claim your faith and commit atrocities in the name of that faith, then that religion should be looked at very carefully, maybe even _God forbid!_ reformed. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/22 "2004-09-21T12:19:39Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > **Testy:** _I curse your religion and I curse your god, for Allah is not Yahweh. Your father, Ishmael, knew Yahweh, but you have turned from him to worship a false prophet and an illegitimate god._ > > If what you’re cursing here is the “Islamo-fascist” terrorists’ **interpretation** of their religion, which is leading them to do all these abominable things, then I’m with you on this one (except for not believing in gods or curses, but never mind that now). > > If, on the other hand, you’re cursing Islam _per se_ and saying that **all** Muslims worship an “illegitimate god” and follow a “false prophet” (n.b.: Muslims do not “worship” the Prophet Muhammad), then you are grossly insulting Muslims as a whole and exposing yourself as a blatant religious bigot. You may not want to go there. Whoa guy! I believe you just attributed something to me that I never said and don’t even particularly agree with. I don’t like **any** religion and don’t cut them any slack but I don’t go out of my way to be grossly or gratuitously insulting either. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/23 "2004-09-21T12:20:02Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > I just get irritated when someone trots out the mantra of: “not **every single person** in group X did something bad so you can’t say group X is bad.” I disagree intensely with that sentiment. Some groups **are** bad The group the OP is talking about is Muslims. Are they bad? We’re not debating whether a group can be all good or bad, just that the particular group he’s slagging, _isn’t_ a bad group. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/24 "2004-09-21T12:20:49Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > How about we condemn both? Point me to it! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/25 "2004-09-21T12:26:22Z")
**Testy:** \*I believe you just attributed something to me that I never said and don’t even particularly agree with. \* Oops, you’re absolutely right—I put your name instead of that of the actual OP, **DirkGntly**. Shame, shame, shame on me! (So where’d **Dirk** go, and why isn’t he in here defending or explaining his OP?) ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/26 "2004-09-21T12:28:15Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > Well, I don’t believe in any supernatural things either. OTOH, when some religiously frenzied bastard decides to kill a few people in the name of his god you really can’t prove god **didn’t** tell him to do it. The murderer may actually believe it. > As far as the OP’s old testament type curse, I thought it was over the top and I don’t really agree with it anyway. > I just get irritated when someone trots out the mantra of: “not **every single person** in group X did something bad so you can’t say group X is bad.” I disagree intensely with that sentiment. Some groups **are** bad (defined as violent, intolerant, xenophobic, etc) and when someone voluntarily associates themselves with that group then they are also ‘bad.’ Nor do I see why religions should be exempt from criticism. Official teachings are one thing but when people claim your faith and commit atrocities in the name of that faith, then that religion should be looked at very carefully, maybe even _God forbid!_ reformed. > > Regards > > Testy How about we just slag of the nutters doing this crap? Give me a name to condemn and I will be slagging them off till the cows come home. Right now all I know is some HORRIBLE blokes did a really disgusting thing. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/27 "2004-09-21T12:29:54Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > Point me to it! -------\> Beheading hostages & blowing up innocent faceless crowds of people with cruisemissles from 100 miles away is really, really, bad. Both are not going to win any “hearts and minds”, so STOP FUCKING DOING IT YOU MORONS! ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/28 "2004-09-21T12:30:09Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > That is the point. Hitler no more represented Catholicism that these fuckheads represent Islam. I know plenty of Moslems, and not one of them is a violent pychopath. The OP casts its net of hate around an entire religion, and that is plain and simple bigotry. The world has more than enough bigots as it is. I love the username by the way. Please tell me how you came up with that some day. I’m not so sure about whether those fuckheads represent Islam or not. What **kind** of Islam? It isn’t really a monolithic entity you know. If you are talking about the Wahabbis in KSA or the ones in Pakistan that are more-or-less indistinguishable then I believe they **do** represent Islam. The Pakistani and SA varieties are just as valid as any other branch, they have their own Islamic scholars and believe they are following god’s will just as much as the sufis or any other sect. It would be presumptuous (to say the least!) of me to tell them they are misinterpreting their own holy book. Regards testy ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/29 "2004-09-21T12:30:28Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > Well, I don’t believe in any supernatural things either. OTOH, when some religiously frenzied bastard decides to kill a few people in the name of his god you really can’t prove god **didn’t** tell him to do it. The murderer may actually believe it. Sure, but there are frenzied bastards being told to do things by space aliens, next-door neighbours’ dogs, etc. Are we to condemn pet owners and little green men too? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/30 "2004-09-21T12:32:18Z")
> [@calm kiwi](#): > > How about we just slag of the nutters doing this crap? Give me a name to condemn and I will be slagging them off till the cows come home. I think his name is **crazyman with black hood #3**. The guy to his right is **crazyman with black hood #4** Commence slagging. ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/31 "2004-09-21T12:32:20Z")
[QUOTE=Kimstu\ (So where’d **Dirk** go, and why isn’t he in here defending or explaining his OP?)[/QUOTE] Yes, where the hell is he/she? I just got irritated at something and jumped on that one item. I didn’t really mean to defend the entire OP. Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/32 "2004-09-21T12:35:43Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Sure, but there are frenzied bastards being told to do things by space aliens, next-door neighbours’ dogs, etc. Are we to condemn pet owners and little green men too? I agree that nutters are being told to do things by all kinds of random creatures and objects. The nut-cases usually don’t organize into groups with the express intent of killing innocent people in large quantities though. As far as the LGMs go, yes, lets condemn them. 😃 Regards Testy ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/33 "2004-09-21T12:40:27Z")
Urgh! What, you can’t curse someone who decapitates a man with a blunt knife and record it on a snuff movie for future mastrubation pleasures without being called a bigot? I just called the stupid bitch cutting in front of me something worse. Oh oy! How bad am I?! I think it’s pretty obvious Dirk Gently is talking about the extremists Moslems who scream Allah Akbar and all that shit while torturing some poor sod to dead - and not all Moslems in general. > [@DirkGntly](#): > > I curse your religion and I curse your god > [@jjimm](#): > > That’s not specific to the terrorists either. Oh but it is. The God of fascistic Moslems. You on the other hand are insulting all peace loving Moslems by insinuating the sick religion and perverted god of those murdering bastards is the same as theirs. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/34 "2004-09-21T12:41:10Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > I agree that nutters are being told to do things by all kinds of random creatures and objects. The nut-cases usually don’t organize into groups with the express intent of killing innocent people in large quantities though. As far as the LGMs go, yes, lets condemn them. 😃 > > Regards > > Testy LGM = laser guided munition? ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/35 "2004-09-21T12:42:36Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > LGM = laser guided munition? Sorry, Little Green Men. Testy ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/36 "2004-09-21T12:43:53Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Urgh! What, you can’t curse someone who decapitates a man with a blunt knife and record it on a snuff movie for future mastrubation pleasures without being called a bigot? You can, and I’d join you. But the OP didn’t do that. The OP obliquely expressed a wish for ethnic cleansing of Islamic land. However, I suspect it was hyperbole, so I’ll let it lie. LGM = Little Green Men. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/37 "2004-09-21T12:44:35Z")
> [@Testy](#): > > Sorry, Little Green Men. > > Testy I happen to like the Great Gazoo, fuck off! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Testy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c37758/32.png) [@Testy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Testy)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/38 "2004-09-21T12:47:33Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I happen to like the Great Gazoo, fuck off! > > 😉 So do I although I confess to having to Google it. 😛 Testy ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/39 "2004-09-21T12:51:24Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I think his name is **crazyman with black hood #3**. The guy to his right is **crazyman with black hood #4** > > Commence slagging. I am an equal opportunity slagger. I’m going for crazyman 1 through 10. Until that crazy bastard 11 is implicated. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/40 "2004-09-21T12:54:21Z")
I think it is important to recognise that the insurgents in Iraq are not targetting people based on their religion. They are targetting what they perceive to be invaders of their country and the government installed by those invaders. In practical terms they are killing many more \*Moslem \* Iraqis than Westerners. Of course when it comes to hostages, Westerners are worth much more to them than a fellow Iraqi. Which reflects our own valuation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293.md?page=3)