# Hey, Islamo-fascist freaks - STEP IN HERE **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293 "2004-09-21T08:24:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/81 "2004-09-21T20:12:50Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > Indeed, where is the outrage in so-called moderate Islamic nations? Why aren’t > the millions of peace loving Iraqis (which I do believe exist) going door-to-door to root out these scum? Yeah, just like the millions of moderate, peace-loving Americans who went door-to-door to root out the KKK in the 50s and 60s. Oh wait, no they didn’t… ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/82 "2004-09-21T21:02:10Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > It makes so angry that I want the US to withdraw from the Geneva Convention and fight these barbarians at their own low level. Kill 5 of them for every kidnapped and murdered civilian be they Iraqi, Turk, American, Canadian, British, Bulgarian etc. Sadly, this form of terrorism comes with the territory when you are perceived as an occupying power. The British experienced many years of it in Northern Ireland from the IRA and its offshoots. Anyone British or Protestant was considered fair game whether you were a soldier or civilian, man or child. Did the many millions of peace loving Irish root them out? Of course not. Instead a whole new set of terrorist thugs were born in the form of the UDF and its offshoots. Their remit? To kill innocent Catholics, man or child. One lesson we can learn from the British forces is they managed, with some notable exceptions, to stick to the rule of law. If that were not the case the level of hatred of the “occupiers” would only have been far worse than it was. The pool of potential terrorists would have grown larger and the circle of violence would have escalated. Fast forward to Iraq. We are the occupiers. We must expect, while we are there, that there is going to be a significant proportion of the population who want to fight and kill us. Just as in Ireland, it will be through the only weapon they have available: terrorism. How bad it gets may depend on how we react. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/83 "2004-09-21T21:19:57Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Sadly, this form of terrorism comes with the territory when you are perceived as an occupying power… We are the occupiers. We must expect, while we are there, that there is going to be a significant proportion of the population who want to fight and kill us. 1. Just what do you think is a significant proportion ? 1 percent ? That’s a lot of terrorists ! 2. What is the evidence that the US has not given up sovereignty? I’m assuming you believe this considering you still believe that the US are occupying Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/84 "2004-09-21T21:32:42Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > 1. What is the evidence that the US has not given up sovereignty? I’m assuming you believe this considering you still believe that the US are occupying Iraq. If you were awake and paying attention around the time of the handover, you would know that the US military made it perfectly clear that it would continue to operate under its own commanders and its own rules, and that it would not be taking any orders from the Iraqi government. The Iraqis might have nominal sovereignty, but there’s little doubt that, despite the training of Iraqi police and other local security forces, the US army still constitutes a controlling power and is an occupying force in Iraq. Here’s the acid test: Tell me whether you truly believe that, if the current Iraqi head of state asked the US to leave and let him govern the country, the US would comply. If the answer is no, then how can the Iraqis be said to hold sovereignty. And if they don’t, then who does? Seems to be only one possible answer. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/85 "2004-09-21T21:34:53Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > What is the evidence that the US has not given up sovereignty? I’m assuming you believe this considering you still believe that the > US are occupying Iraq. So the Iraqi ruling council is in charge? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/86 "2004-09-21T21:38:00Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If you were awake and paying attention around the time of the handover, you would know that the US military made it perfectly clear that it would continue to operate under its own commanders and its own rules, and that it would not be taking any orders from the Iraqi government. > > The Iraqis might have nominal sovereignty, but there’s little doubt that, despite the training of Iraqi police and other local security forces, the US army still constitutes a controlling power and is an occupying force in Iraq. > > Here’s the acid test: Tell me whether you truly believe that, if the current Iraqi head of state asked the US to leave and let him govern the country, the US would comply. If the answer is no, then how can the Iraqis be said to hold sovereignty. And if they don’t, then who does? Seems to be only one possible answer. I’ll also add that even if the Iraqis are _technically_ in charge, the view within Iraq and the rest of the world is we’re still really in charge. They would be correct too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/87 "2004-09-21T21:44:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If you were awake and paying attention around the time of the handover, you would know that the US military made it perfectly clear that… it would not be taking any orders from the Iraqi government. Please !? I want a cite for that! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/88 "2004-09-21T21:55:16Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Please !? I want a cite for that! I’m on my way out of the house for a ruin right now. If no-one else has supplied you with a cite by later this evening, i will find one for you. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/89 "2004-09-21T21:55:21Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > 1. Just what do you think is a significant proportion ? 1 percent ? That’s a lot of terrorists ! I do not know. That might be as good a guess as any. > [@grienspace](#): > > 1. What is the evidence that the US has not given up sovereignty? I’m assuming you believe this considering you still believe that the US are occupying Iraq. The forces of the coalition of the willing have demonstrably given up sovereignty. They are still there, however. The regime they chose for Iraq is in power and relies on coalition forces for its legitimacy and military support. I suppose we can only try to imagine what our reaction would be if it was our own country that was invaded. We are lucky not to have an authoritarian dictator like Sadaam, but we would still probably resent a foreign power choosing our government for us. Especially if conditions in our country became worse than before the invasion. Especially if there was a suggestion that the invaders might be attempting to prosper from rebuilding work, handing out contracts to their pals without letting local engineers or even non coalition countries tender. We can hope that many Iraqis might welcome our presence. I just do not think it should come as a surprise to anyone that many do not. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/90 "2004-09-21T22:00:36Z")
For starters [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10917-2004Jun28.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10917-2004Jun28.html) > [@](#): > > Although a U.N. Security Council resolution passed earlier this month deems the interim government “fully sovereign,” it will lack many hallmarks of a sovereign nation. > > More than 130,000 U.S. troops will remain in the country with wide latitude to mount operations to combat an increasingly violent insurgency. A temporary constitution also limits the interim government’s power to basic civil administration and preparations for national elections. > > While ordinary Iraqis regard the handover as symbolically important, it will not result in many immediate changes for them. U.S. forces will continue to conduct raids and house searches. Iraqi government ministries will operate in much the same way they did before Monday’s handover. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/91 "2004-09-21T22:14:58Z")
> [@pervert](#): > > Can you cite that for me? I know this is the pit and all, but unless you are a card arring member of AQ, I’m curious how you know so much about their plan. In a recent issue of the Atlantic Monthly (within the last couple months), there was a long article by a reporter who bought a couple of computers from fleeing AQers. The article included quotes from many emails–one, IIRC, written by OBL–and several, like, manifestos, that laid out their strategy. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/92 "2004-09-21T22:17:31Z")
Sorry, meant to include [this link](http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200409/cullison) . ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/93 "2004-09-21T22:38:40Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Sadly, this form of terrorism comes with the territory when you are perceived as an occupying power. The British experienced many years of it in Northern Ireland from the IRA and its offshoots. Anyone British or Protestant was considered fair game whether you were a soldier or civilian, man or child. Did the many millions of peace loving Irish root them out? Of course not. Instead a whole new set of terrorist thugs were born in the form of the UDF and its offshoots. Their remit? To kill innocent Catholics, man or child. One lesson we can learn from the British forces is they managed, with some notable exceptions, to stick to the rule of law. If that were not the case the level of hatred of the “occupiers” would only have been far worse than it was. The pool of potential terrorists would have grown larger and the circle of violence would have escalated. Fast forward to Iraq. We are the occupiers. We must expect, while we are there, that there is going to be a significant proportion of the population who want to fight and kill us. Just as in Ireland, it will be through the only weapon they have available: terrorism. How bad it gets may depend on how we react. I was going to accept this explanation but then I thought about post WWII Germany. We did the same thing, remove a vile scum dictator and foisted democracy on the remnants of the Reich. There were incidents of die-hard Nazis killing an “occupier” soldier here and there (and if this were the only thing bad going on in Iraq I could almost accept it). But you had no slaughter of people coming in to try to fix up the war torn infrastructure. Hell people like electricity and roads and plumbing. This is why I think it is cultural, and speaks volumes about said culture. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/94 "2004-09-21T22:40:54Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > Sadly, this form of terrorism comes with the territory when you are perceived as an occupying power. The British experienced many years of it in Northern Ireland from the IRA and its offshoots. . This makes sense as far as it goes, but it’s not rational to murder contractors who are there rebuilding not only what was destroyed by us, but also what fell into disrepair under the previous regime. To be absolutely fair, Iraq’s sad state today is not due only to our having attacked it. I mean, a _civil_ engineer? Civil engineers build targets, not weapons! ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/95 "2004-09-21T22:54:43Z")
The majority of Muslims fucking suck. Maybe not all of them, but most of them do. The world would absolutely be a better place if that fucked up religion never existed. I think it’s a shitty double standard in the world when an entire region can hate a countries citizens for being americans and it’s ok but if americans don’t care for a person because of their hate filled cult-like religion they are looked down upon as if they are scum. Fuck em I say. Let’s get the fuck out of there and let them have at each other. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/96 "2004-09-21T23:02:02Z")
> [@Stinkpalm](#): > > The majority of Muslims fucking suck. Maybe not all of them, but most of them do. The world would absolutely be a better place if that fucked up religion never existed. OH boy \ ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/97 "2004-09-21T23:50:41Z")
Thanks for providing a cite, **World Eater**. Here’s more: From [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.com/modules/interactive.asp?id=/d/ip/IraqGovt_PostJune30/data.js&navid=5210591&cp1=1) > [@](#): > > The U.S.-led occupation force is replaced by the MNFI, Multi-National Force Iraq, which is dominated by the U.S. military. The United States has described the relationship as one of “partnership” and has left vague the details of whether the transitional government has any power to ask the force to take specific action, or to leave the country. From [MSNBC](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5323894/) > [@](#): > > An escalating campaign of suicide bombings and terrorist kidnappings have already taken a horrific toll and despite all the claims and expectations about the Iraqis’ ability to govern themselves, they are nowhere near ready to provide for their own security. That daunting task will remain almost entirely in the hands of the U.S. military. > > “We’re not going to withdraw from protecting the Iraqi people,” U.S. Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz told reporters recently. > > Metz, Commander of the Multi-National Forces-Corps in Iraq, cut through all the politics and diplomacy and bluntly stated, “The Iraqis don’t have the capability to do it for themselves.” > > \ > > American and coalition troops will remain under the U.S. command of Casey, but Iraq will have total control of its own forces. So, the Iraqis can tell other Iraqis what to do, but will have no control over the foreign forces occupying their territory. From [Newsmax](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/16/84113.shtml): > [@](#): > > The new accelerated plan for restoring self-rule in Iraq does not mean U.S. troops will withdraw anytime soon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Sunday [November 16, 2003]. > > In an interview en route to a U.S. Air Force base in southern Japan, Rumsfeld said the United States continues to plan to rotate a new contingent of troops into Iraq next year, with no final pullout date set yet. Accelerating the political process will not affect military planning, he said. > > “This has nothing to do with U.S. troops and coalition troops in Iraq,” he said. > > The plan, endorsed by the Iraqi Governing Council Saturday, reflects Washington’s desire to speed up the hand over of power as attacks against American occupation forces grow more sophisticated and deadly. It came as the U.S. death toll since the war began passed the 400 mark. > > “The timetable or the way ahead that the Governing Council has been describing relates to the governance aspects of the country and not to the security aspects,” he said. “That’s on a separate track.” According to Rumsfeld, the transition of political power will not change the chain of military authority in the country at all, and “has nothing to do with U.S. troops.” From [California Congressman Duncan Hunter](http://www.house.gov/hunter/iraqtransfer.html): > [@](#): > > Hunter also stressed that the transition of governmental power would not constitute a transfer of military responsibilities. Coalition forces would continue to maintain a security apparatus in Iraq. Also of note is the nation’s progress in providing for its own security. From [The Independent (UK)](http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=0512): > [@](#): > > In theory, the new government will hold power for only seven months. Under a UN Security Council resolution, there must be elections by 31 January, 2005. But Mr Bremer instituted a special commission to vet candidates for office, with the power to ban those maintaining a militia. Since all parties maintain militias this would enable the commission to decide who will be in an election. > How far the Iraqi government will be from full control was underlined on Saturday when Mr Bremer signed an edict giving US and Western contractors immunity from prosecution under Iraqi law while they are working in Iraq. The contractors are unpopular among Iraqis who consider them grossly overpaid. Vital infrastructural power station and oil industry repairs have not been completed, or even begun. > The success or failure of the new government will largely depend on how far the US will really end the occupation. One critic said: “Over the past year, we have seen the US try to impose old-style 19th-century imperial control over Iraq. It failed disastrously. Now they will try to impose a Latin American-style government, with powerful security forces controlled by the US, of the kind that used to be common in 1960s.” > The government is meant to be an interim authority. It cannot make long-term policy decisions. It could ask the US troops to leave but will not do so because it depends on them. But, as with the unpopular Iraqi Governing Council, to which its senior members had belonged, the new government is likely to put down roots and will be difficult to displace. > The US embassy and the Iraqi Reconstruction and Management Office, with 900 members, will replace the Coalition Provisional Authority but it will continue to occupy Saddam Hussein’s old Republican Palace. Many officials will simply change their name tags. John Negroponte, the new US ambassador to Iraq, will occupy a separate building but most of his staff will be in the Republican Palace which Iraqis are demanding back as a symbol of their sovereignty. Shaikh Ghazi asked President George Bush for the palace and was promised that it would be returned in two months. So, this sovereign Iraqi government can’t even prosecute foreign troops or contractors for breaking the law, and this immunity from prosecution is the result of a US edict on the matter. From [The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1251033,00.html): > [@](#): > > American commanders will risk launching high-profile military actions at targets in Iraq even if they go directly against the wishes of the new Iraqi government, a senior US general said yesterday. > > Lieutenant General Thomas Metz, the second most senior American officer in Iraq and the force’s tactical operations commander, said the US military was prepared to risk provoking “friction” with the new government in strikes against “professional terrorists”. > > His frank admission, just two days after sovereignty was handed back to the Iraqis, cuts to the heart of a likely source of significant political disagreement between the fledgling government and the US military in the near future. And if the Iraqis don’t like something the US military is doing, the military concedes that it will probably just ignore them. From [The Sydney Morning Herald (Aust.)](http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/26/1082831497184.html?from=storyrhs): > [@](#): > > The Bush Administration is preparing a resolution for the United Nations to endorse its plan to transfer power in Iraq, but a proposal that guarantees legal protection for foreign troops may face a tough time. Letting the US make the final judgements on Saddam Hussein’s weapons programs also faces opposition. > > The range of powers to be handed to an Iraqi provisional government on June 30 could also trigger debate, UN and US officials said. Security Council envoys are concerned that the resolution will give only partial sovereignty to Iraq, leaving ultimate power in the hands of the US and its allies. And when asked if the US would remove its troops if asked by the Iraqis, Bush himself pretty much dodged the question. From the [White House](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040601-2.html) website: > [@](#): > > Q Mr. President, if the decision-making is not fully in the hands of the Iraqis, will that extend to them asking us to leave, pull out U.S. troops? And will you accede to that if they ask? > > THE PRESIDENT: Well, Mr. Allawi said today the troops need to be there. And so – > > Q But all of them? > > THE PRESIDENT: Well, whatever it takes to get the mission done. And we look forward to working with the Iraq Prime Minister and the Iraq Defense Minister to help secure the country. As you know, circumstances change on the ground and I’ve told the American people and our commanders that we’ll be flexible and we’ll meet those circumstances as they arise. > > And what is important for the American people to know is that if a troop is in harm’s way, that troop – the chain of command of that troop will be to a U.S. military commander. I think it’s reasonable to conclude from all this that the Iraqis exercise, at best, only partial sovereignty over their own country. ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/98 "2004-09-22T00:05:11Z")
World Eater said: > [@](#): > > Nowhere in the Koran does it say to cut someone’s head off with a pocketknife. Actually, it says exactly that: > [@](#): > > When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads Quran sura 47, verse 4 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/99 "2004-09-22T00:12:33Z")
> [@Jojo](#): > > Actually, it says exactly that: > > When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads > > Quran sura 47, verse 4 Touche. ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293/100 "2004-09-22T00:32:03Z")
Oh and it also says this: > [@](#): > > God revealed His will to the angels, saying: “I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers!” Whilst damning all muslims may be a bit over the top, it is also true to say that islam is not entirely innocent in all this. Note, however, that this method of killing is only acceptable in a jihad situation and most muslims would deny that Iraq is a jihad. Therefore they would condemn these killings in Iraq on these grounds. If there _was_ a jihad, on the other hand, then this method of killing is not only desirable but mandated by God. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-islamo-fascist-freaks-step-in-here/265293.md?page=6)