# Hey Junior, go to hell. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 8, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187 "2019-11-08T21:46:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/81 "2019-11-12T04:14:10Z")
Oh, and Jr., about racism - It’s not about how you treat people you know personally, it’s about how you treat people you don’t know personally. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/82 "2019-11-12T04:33:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > In the scale of things this may be minor, but: I’m repeatedly annoyed at SNL for their recurring “Don Jr. and Eric” skits, because they consistently portray Don Jr. as being kind, caring, and smart. And from what I can tell, he’s none of those things. > > But it’s a popular bit on the show, so I suppose they’ll go on enhancing the real Don Jr.'s reputation, undeservedly. I am convinced that SNL does more to support the Trump presidency than to undermine it. It takes the ramblings of an evil man and makes them out to be comedic in a way that appears less threatening than it really ought to. It humanizes the monster. In this vein, their characterization of Don Jr. as “not so bad” makes perfect sense. Donald Trump is a rambling fool, yes, but he is also the greatest threat to American Democracy of our age. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/83 "2019-11-12T05:37:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > How does Ivanka compare to Donald Junior? She’s missing a key organ. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/84 "2019-11-12T07:17:26Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > Like, _really_ loves her. [Never](https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/donald-and-ivanka-trump-moments-that-totally-weird-us-out.html/) [forget](https://www.metro.us/president-trump/donald-and-ivanka-trump-awkward-photos) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/86 "2019-11-12T15:35:55Z")
> [@rjsona129](#): > > let him hang out wat ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/87 "2019-11-12T16:40:02Z")
Looks like Twitter has lit up with suggested alternate titles for Donny’s book. ‘Children of a Lesser Man’, ‘I Eat Paste’, ‘The Brat in the Hat’, and ‘The Son Never Rises’ are a few. He also got booed off the stage at the book launch. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/88 "2019-11-12T16:58:52Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I am convinced that SNL does more to support the Trump presidency than to undermine it. It takes the ramblings of an evil man and makes them out to be comedic in a way that appears less threatening than it really ought to. It humanizes the monster. In this vein, their characterization of Don Jr. as “not so bad” makes perfect sense. > > Donald Trump is a rambling fool, yes, but he is also the greatest threat to American Democracy of our age. IIRC, didn’t they let Trump host _after_ he had declared his candidacy? That should never have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/89 "2019-11-12T17:05:17Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > In the scale of things this may be minor, but: I’m repeatedly annoyed at SNL for their recurring “Don Jr. and Eric” skits, because they consistently portray Don Jr. as being kind, caring, and smart. And from what I can tell, he’s none of those things. > > But it’s a popular bit on the show, so I suppose they’ll go on enhancing the real Don Jr.'s reputation, undeservedly. I don’t see how you get that. The audience is smart enough to understand satire. Don Jr. is being portrayed as smart compared to the totally clueless Eric, but still an idiot. SNL portrayed Nixon in a sympathetic light too, like having him do a Hamlet-style prayer scene with Henry Kissinger, and nobody came away with a more favorable opinion of him. At least not enough to keep him from leaving office. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/90 "2019-11-12T17:38:27Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t see how you get that. The audience is smart enough to understand satire. Don Jr. is being portrayed as smart compared to the totally clueless Eric, but still an idiot. > > SNL portrayed Nixon in a sympathetic light too, like having him do a Hamlet-style prayer scene with Henry Kissinger, and nobody came away with a more favorable opinion of him. At least not enough to keep him from leaving office. How could you watch that and say it was sympathetic?! He was praying to a painting, ranting paranoid stuff, and talking about the Jews, IIRC. Also SNL debuted in October 1975, a little late for Nixon. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/91 "2019-11-12T18:10:20Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I am convinced that SNL does more to support the Trump presidency than to undermine it. I really don’t think SNL makes any difference one way or another, and they were pretty openly in the tank for Hillary Clinton, after all. It’s their job to make people laugh. Not everything in life has to be a dead serious defense of liberal democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/92 "2019-11-12T19:16:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I really don’t think SNL makes any difference one way or another, Since The Apprentice was a NBC property, they have always considered Trump to be “one of their own”. Hence the SNL hosting, and Jimmy Fallon’s infamous hair-mussing. They don’t go too hard on one of their own. After all, post White House they think they might still make money off of him. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/93 "2019-11-13T02:33:46Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Also SNL debuted in October 1975, a little late for Nixon. IIRC, having viewed the early seasons on DVD, there were sketches centered around his post-presidency, including his memoirs, which for some reason I recall as being mocked as huge. Not sure who played him, but my guess would be Dan Dan Aykroyd since Chevy Chase did Ford. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/94 "2019-11-13T02:38:44Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > IIRC, having viewed the early seasons on DVD, there were sketches centered around his post-presidency, including his memoirs, which for some reason I recall as being mocked as huge. Not sure who played him, but my guess would be Dan Dan Aykroyd since Chevy Chase did Ford. [Yep.](https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/nixons-book-cold-open/3008109) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/95 "2019-11-13T17:17:19Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > Sweet! > > This guy is such a wuss that he wouldn’t even take questions _from supporters_. > > [Donald Trump Jr walks out of Triggered book launch after heckling – from supporters](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/11/donald-trump-jr-walks-out-of-triggered-book-launch-after-heckling-from-supporters) (Links to The Guardian). What a pissy little bitch. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/96 "2019-11-13T17:20:37Z")
> [@margin](#): > > There’s one scary asshole named Al Baldasaro who stood up for Trump at that May 2016 press conference he gave after it turned out though he’d bragged about donating “millions” to veterans’ charities----and none of them had received a dime. Baldasaro has spoken about how he’d like to put Hillary in front of a firing squad. He’s the sort of guy about whom my Dad’s First Sgt., would say, “Somebody go salute the Lieutenant and see what happens.” > > And then there’s the Purple Heart Trump treated like a gumball machine novelty, but I’m about at the boiling point as it is. > > That fucker spoke at the Veteran’s Day Parade and said je was thinking of going to Moscow’s …Mayday Parade. Well he can STAY there. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/97 "2019-11-13T17:23:15Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Maybe we crossed paths. I was in for 1974-1977, my MOS was 98G2LKP. Were you ever at Fort Devens Mass, or Fort Clayton in the CZ? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/98 "2019-11-13T18:12:34Z")
> [@margin](#): > > He’s the sort of guy about whom my Dad’s First Sgt., would say, “Somebody go salute the Lieutenant and see what happens.” I don’t get this. Are you not supposed to salute lieutenants? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/99 "2019-11-13T18:18:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t get this. Are you not supposed to salute lieutenants? [There are exceptions.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh2DzGccvJc#t=1m20s) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/100 "2019-11-13T19:15:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > If **Steve** was ever around Berlin in '73, he may well have crossed paths with one of my brothers. Enlisted in '69 and spent his tour patrolling the Wall. Never got to Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187/101 "2019-11-14T02:35:31Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I am convinced that SNL does more to support the Trump presidency than to undermine it. It takes the ramblings of an evil man and makes them out to be comedic in a way that appears less threatening than it really ought to. It humanizes the monster. In this vein, their characterization of Don Jr. as “not so bad” makes perfect sense. … I have to agree. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I don’t see how you get that. The audience is smart enough to understand satire. Don Jr. is being portrayed as smart compared to the totally clueless Eric, but still an idiot. … What lines or business convey that Don Jr. is an idiot? I don’t recall anything like that. In the sketches I’ve seen, he’s basically being kind and patient with Eric. Eric’s being like a four-year-old (with Don Jr. the caring brother who watches out for him) is the entire joke. I suspect that Icarus is right: NBC still sees making money off Trump as a possibility. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-junior-go-to-hell/843187.md?page=6)