# Hey, Manwich, Bernie lost. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413 "2020-04-09T10:21:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/1 "2020-04-09T10:21:07Z")
[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22238375&postcount=159](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22238375&postcount=159) Now go fuck yourself. We’re not playing that Biden has to earn my vote game this time. Shitbag Sanders lost. He got his vile disgusting ass kicked. Take a hint, we don’t want your vote. You’re not worthy enough to vote for Joe Biden. I’ll suggest an alternative: open up your asshole and shove your holier than thou vote right up there. It won’t be missed and neither will Bernie Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/2 "2020-04-09T10:32:32Z")
Look, I know the Chapos were particularly mean to your boy Mayor Pete, and I know you’ll be massively butthurt about it for the rest of your life…but this is just unseemly, dude. C’mon. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/3 "2020-04-09T10:48:57Z")
I’m glad most Democrats are pretty decent and welcoming, and not intolerant assholes like **dale**. Thankfully for the party! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/4 "2020-04-09T11:00:49Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Shitbag Sanders lost. He got his vile disgusting ass kicked. Now _that’s_ the way to bring Bernistas back into the fold! Seriously, dude, go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/5 "2020-04-09T11:05:16Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22238375&postcount=159](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22238375&postcount=159) > > Now go fuck yourself. We’re not playing that Biden has to earn my vote game this time. Also, point of order; you absolutely _are_ playing that game, whether you like it or not. The fact is, there are many people - people who would’ve gladly walked through fire for Bernie Sanders - who don’t see much of a problem staying home if their choice is between Biden and Trump. You can either convince them to vote for Joe Biden, or you can whine like a bitch. What’s it going to be? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/6 "2020-04-09T11:29:49Z")
I get the impression **dale** would rather lose than win with the help and support of Bernie and Bernie supporters. I certainly see him post much, much more vitriol against Bernie and Bernie supporters than Trump and his. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/7 "2020-04-09T11:36:30Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Also, point of order; you absolutely _are_ playing that game, whether you like it or not. The fact is, there are many people - people who would’ve gladly walked through fire for Bernie Sanders - who don’t see much of a problem staying home if their choice is between Biden and Trump. > > You can either convince them to vote for Joe Biden, or you can whine like a bitch. What’s it going to be? I think it’s more meta-whining. Bernie-or-busters will sit out this election and then whine that _Biden_, rather than themselves, is the reason we have 4 more years of Trump. It isn’t quite cricket to say that you can’t whine back at them. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/8 "2020-04-09T11:43:12Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I think it’s more meta-whining. Bernie-or-busters will sit out this election and then whine that _Biden_, rather than themselves, is the reason we have 4 more years of Trump. It isn’t quite cricket to say that you can’t whine back at them. If Bernie campaigns for Biden and Biden wins, he will receive none of the credit for it, nor do I expect him to play any kind of a role in the Biden administration. If Bernie campaigns for Biden and Biden loses, he will be blamed for not getting behind him sooner. No matter what happens, the progressives will be marginalized and blamed. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/9 "2020-04-09T11:45:01Z")
Dale’s obsession with Sanders is unhealthy, verging on (or veering wildly into) mental illness. That doesn’t stop him from being a horrible asshole. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/10 "2020-04-09T11:48:42Z")
I find it odd that a Democratic Party candidate has to EARN a vote, but an America-hating fuckstick has not _already_ “EARNED” a vote to banish him from the Oval office ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/11 "2020-04-09T11:48:52Z")
This pitting seems very Trump-like. The pittee asks why he should vote for Biden. The pitter refuses to engage, offers nothing but insults & invective, and in the process embodies all the negative attributes he accuses his critics of. Bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/12 "2020-04-09T11:52:06Z")
I’ll reiterate my confusion to you, **Clawdio** ; perhaps you can enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/13 "2020-04-09T11:55:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ll reiterate my confusion to you, **Clawdio** ; perhaps you can enlighten me. Some Bernie supporters are very upset, and because they’re humans, they might not be able to philosophically and emotionally turn on a dime, but rather might need some welcoming and encouragement. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/14 "2020-04-09T12:01:28Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I find it odd that a Democratic Party candidate has to EARN a vote, but an America-hating fuckstick has not _already_ “EARNED” a vote to banish him from the Oval office Listen, I agree with you. Manwich’s logic is IMO flawed. But it’s the kind of flawed logic that can be addressed with respect and compassion. Dale’s spittle-spraying invective is just terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Clawdio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@Clawdio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clawdio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/15 "2020-04-09T12:13:56Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’ll reiterate my confusion to you, **Clawdio** ; perhaps you can enlighten me. I agree with you that the Donald deserves to be voted out of office. I was commenting that this particular pitting makes the pitter look worse than the pittee. Regardless of how terrible Trump is in every way… why would the reaction to “what are the reasons that Biden is a better candidate than Bernie” be: “Because fuck you, that’s why”. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/16 "2020-04-09T12:17:05Z")
Unless the Pitter and the Pittee have some history on this subject it sounds like another anti-Bernie rant. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/17 "2020-04-09T12:27:22Z")
> [@Clawdio](#): > > I agree with you that the Donald deserves to be voted out of office. I was commenting that this particular pitting makes the pitter look worse than the pittee. Regardless of how terrible Trump is in every way… why would the reaction to “what are the reasons that Biden is a better candidate than Bernie” be: “Because fuck you, that’s why”. Well, to be clear, **Manwich** ’s question seems to be not so much “what are the reasons that Biden is a better candidate than Bernie” but “what are the reasons that Biden is a better candidate than _ **Trump** _”: > [@Bernie Withdraws](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bernie-withdraws/851349/159): > > Biden supporters please get cracking with the reasons why Biden is good. > > The lesser of two evils stuff is not going to cut it. (Which question several other posters have given reasonable answers to in that Politics & Elections thread.) ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/18 "2020-04-09T12:31:22Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I think it’s more meta-whining. Bernie-or-busters will sit out this election and then whine that _Biden_, rather than themselves, is the reason we have 4 more years of Trump. It isn’t quite cricket to say that you can’t whine back at them. But it _would_ be Biden’s fault. Nobody _owes_ Biden their vote. If I think that Joe Biden is just a neoliberal shill giving cover to the rapacious moneyed interests that make it so hard to get on in life, then the fact that Donald Trump might be, like, 20% worse or whatever isn’t going to be enough to get me off my ass on Election Day. It’s Biden’s job to make voters believe in him. If he can’t do that then that’s on him. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/19 "2020-04-09T12:44:02Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > If I think that Joe Biden is just a neoliberal shill giving cover to the rapacious moneyed interests that make it so hard to get on in life, then the fact that Donald Trump might be, like, 20% worse or whatever isn’t going to be enough to get me off my ass on Election Day. Missing a couple of zeros there. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/20 "2020-04-09T12:47:10Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > It’s Biden’s job to make voters believe in him. If he can’t do that then that’s on him. Only up to a point. We already know some of those voters are “Bernie or Bust” types. They’re not any more open to persuasion or reason than Trumpists are. The vast majority are reasonable (as they were in 2016 as well), and few people have issues with them. But There’s a dedicated minority that it is difficult, even now, to defend. And we are asked to coddle them anyway. That works up to a point, but the thing about meeting them in the middle is it works both ways. They’ve got to be actually willing to be open to reason or persuasion, and this is clearly not the case with many of them (including some vocal examples on this very board). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413.md?page=2)