# Hey, Manwich, Bernie lost. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 9, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413 "2020-04-09T10:21:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/161 "2020-04-15T13:27:59Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Sanders comes out and says not supporting Biden is irresponsible since it will empower Trump. > > [Sanders says opposing Biden is 'irresponsible'](https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/sanders-says-opposing-biden-is-irresponsible) > > Which is good that he made that statement. I’m sure Bernie will do a lot of rallies for Biden. And yet he’ll still get blamed when Biden loses. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/162 "2020-04-15T14:05:14Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > And yet he’ll still get blamed when Biden loses. Worse still, he won’t be Canonized when Biden wins. Poor Bernie. Damned if he do, damned if he don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/163 "2020-04-15T20:08:17Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > I give “Biden wanted to cut Social Security” mostly true and so do plenty of other websites. He was (and probably is in my view but we can’t know what he really believes) willing to cut Social Security to save money. In a way it’s admirable he admitted it, he even said he knew it was politically unpopular but he went ahead and was honest. > > [Biden vs. Sanders on Social Security and Medicare - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/biden-vs-sanders-on-social-security-and-medicare/) > [Joe Biden Has Advocated Cutting Social Security for 40 Years](https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/) > > People disagree on this point, it’s OK. And I’m sure he says he wants to strengthen and protect Social Security now, it’s not good strategy to admit to wanting to cut it. OK, let us take your first cite: _However, other examples cited by the Sanders camp show that Biden has in the past been willing in budget negotiations with Republicans to at least consider things such as raising the age of eligibility or recalculating cost-of-living increases for these programs for the elderly. That’s short of saying “we should cut Social Security,” as Sanders put it, …_ There’s a vast difference between willing to negotiate- and wanting to cut Social Security. and as the article goes on:\*That’s not what Biden is proposing now. In his 2020 bid, Biden has proposed a plan that would increase revenue for Social Security by eliminating the payroll tax cap and expand benefits for some of the oldest seniors. “There will be no compromise on cutting Medicare and Social Security, period. That’s a promise,” Biden said at the 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum on Jan. 20, according to VICE News.\* So your first cite states clearly that Biden never wanted to cut SocSec and currently does not now. The second is a hit piece from a Sanders supporter. However, Politifact made it clears that Sanders claim was **"Mostly false. "** ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/164 "2020-04-15T20:11:31Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > OK, let us take your first cite: > > _However, other examples cited by the Sanders camp show that Biden has in the past been willing in budget negotiations with Republicans to at least consider things such as raising the age of eligibility or recalculating cost-of-living increases for these programs for the elderly. That’s short of saying “we should cut Social Security,” as Sanders put it, …_ There’s a vast difference between willing to negotiate- and wanting to cut Social Security. and as the article goes on:\*That’s not what Biden is proposing now. In his 2020 bid, Biden has proposed a plan that would increase revenue for Social Security by eliminating the payroll tax cap and expand benefits for some of the oldest seniors. > > “There will be no compromise on cutting Medicare and Social Security, period. That’s a promise,” Biden said at the 2020 Iowa Brown & Black Presidential Forum on Jan. 20, according to VICE News.\* > > So your first cite states clearly that Biden never wanted to cut SocSec and currently does not now. > > The second is a hit piece from a Sanders supporter. > > However, Politifact made it clears that Sanders claim was **"Mostly false. "** Trump and Putin thank you for keeping this nonexistent “fight” active after Bernie gave an extremely full-throated endorsement of Biden. Keep it up, comrade! Let’s see more, post after post, of Democrat-on-Democrat action, even after every candidate in the party has agreed to come together! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/165 "2020-04-15T23:37:55Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Speaking of the banned poster who called himself **Barack Obama** , the “new” poster **RealFDRdem** sure sounds awfully familiar. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Link? And that user name sounds suspiciously close to that old bigot New Deal Democrat. He started [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=894174) in the Politics forum, but I see it’s been moved here to the Pit. So now I can accuse him in that thread of being a sock. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/166 "2020-04-16T13:38:42Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > The fact is, there are many people - people who would’ve gladly walked through fire for Bernie Sanders - who don’t see much of a problem staying home if their choice is between Biden and Trump. They would have walked through fire for him, but they won’t walk to the ballot box and vote for the candidate that Bernie has specifically asked them to vote for? My guess is the number of “Bernie or no one” voters is pretty small versus their outsized voice online. Not saying that Biden shouldn’t court them to a certain degree, bringing Bernie into the tent is clearly part of that, but if the view of these “many people” is that no one but Bernie deserves to win then I guess we may get 4 more years of Trump because the Republican base shows up, even if some of them hold their nose while they do it. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/167 "2020-04-17T10:42:46Z")
Agreed Steven, it’s better for economically comfortable Democrats to support a potential loser like Biden than allow Sanders to defeat Trump. They have more in common with Republicans and have nothing to lose, assuming they keep their jobs. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/168 "2020-04-17T12:12:15Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed Steven, it’s better for economically comfortable Democrats to support a potential loser like Biden than allow Sanders to defeat Trump. They have more in common with Republicans and have nothing to lose, assuming they keep their jobs. Believe that if you want. But then you have to explain why the economically disadvantaged minorities didn’t come out for Bernie. Go ahead. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/169 "2020-04-17T13:23:55Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed Steven, it’s better for economically comfortable Democrats to support a potential loser like Biden than allow Sanders to defeat Trump. They have more in common with Republicans and have nothing to lose, assuming they keep their jobs. You really are a pathetic troll, aren’t you? I’m sure the African American voters in SC, AL and MS are exactly the economically comfortable Democrats that overwhelmingly supported Biden that you’re referring to. Bernie lost, build a bridge and get over it. As a troll, you should be quite familiar with bridges. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/170 "2020-04-17T13:44:30Z")
I think that when \*\*Manwich \*\*thinks of non-economically-comfortable Democratic voters, he’s imagining the cast of _Les Miserables_. ---
**Author:** ![Manwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Manwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Manwich)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/171 "2020-04-17T14:26:29Z")
Thinking of the people losing their health insurance with their jobs, you ghouls this is isn’t a joke for some people ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/172 "2020-04-17T14:33:02Z")
That doesn’t change the fact that poor people in America are either nonwhite or Republican. There is no third option. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/173 "2020-04-17T14:43:42Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Thinking of the people losing their health insurance with their jobs, you ghouls this is isn’t a joke for some people Sure, denial is part of the grieving process of loss. I get it. But this is well into obsessive territory now. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/174 "2020-04-17T14:43:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That doesn’t change the fact that poor people in America are either nonwhite or Republican. There is no third option. WTF? By brother would surely qualify as poor and white and is not Republican. Plenty of poor white Americans are Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/175 "2020-04-17T14:59:06Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > WTF? By brother would surely qualify as poor and white and is not Republican. Plenty of poor white Americans are Dems. That’s **Alessan** explaining on behalf of **Manwich**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/176 "2020-04-17T15:52:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The idea that Bernie didn’t do everything he could to endorse Hillary is completely fictitious. He earnestly campaigned for her, frequently, hard, and unequvicably. All the way up through July, months after his chances of winning the nomination had gone to zero, he was running **against** her. > [@](#): > > Trying to portray him as a sore loser that tried to sabotage the democrats is absolute bullshit. Yeah, the ‘tried’ part is bullshit. He **succeeded**. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/177 "2020-04-17T16:07:29Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed Steven, it’s better for economically comfortable Democrats to support a potential loser like Biden than allow Sanders to defeat Trump. They have more in common with Republicans and have nothing to lose, assuming they keep their jobs. Oh, fuck off. **IF** Bernie would have beaten the America-hating fuckstick, while Biden is doomed to defeat, it implies that Democrats recognize and accept our responsibility to the nation, and Bernie Bros don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/178 "2020-04-17T16:43:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What is “tough love” and why do you feel the need to punish and hurt Bernie voters? I can’t see any reason other than vindictiveness, which [you clearly have](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22121086&postcount=38). > > “When can we start being shitty to the Bernie supporters” is such a toxic question. > > I have no loyalty to the democratic party. I think Joe Biden is a terrible candidate, and if he wins, which I actually doubt, will be a pretty awful president. You can try to convince me that he’s the lesser evil - and that’s an argument with merit - but we have a managed democracy set up to constantly rule us by forcing us to make the lesser of two evils choices. That does not sit well with anyone. In fact, that sucks. It’s going to make me sick to my stomach to vote for Joe Biden, a guy I think is a terrible candidate and president, but I’m going to do it because of the exceptional evil of his opponent. A lot of people feel this way. Please stop trying to make it even harder. Because you absolutely will push people from “I guess I can hold my nose and do it but I fucking hate every part of this” to “you know what, fuck it, I’m not going to bother” > > It’s funny that you guys expect us, who have no loyalty to the democratic party or Joe Biden, and who do not like either, to vote on your side, no matter how much it disgusts us. But you can’t, yourself, simply refrain from not being hateful and vindictive and giving “tough love” and rubbing it in our faces that we have to do it. You try to convince us how important it is that we throw aside our principles to fight Trump, and yet you yourself, and your sort, won’t even refrain from taking a victory lap or insulting us, because that little bit of hateful satisfaction is worth more to you than beating Trump. Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413/179 "2020-04-17T18:10:59Z")
> [@Manwich](#): > > Agreed Steven, it’s better for economically comfortable Democrats to support a potential loser like Biden than allow Sanders to defeat Trump. They have more in common with Republicans and have nothing to lose, assuming they keep their jobs. Every poll showed Biden doing better vs trump than sanders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-manwich-bernie-lost/851413.md?page=8)