# Hey Monty, what's the deal about Opal stabbing people in the back IRL? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034 "2015-03-02T19:14:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/341 "2015-03-09T00:05:42Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > _And…_ > > Hitler is dead. > > Stalin is dead. > > Joseph Mengele is dead. > > …um, need more? You are referring to these exceptions because they are evil and it is okay to besmirch evil? Not a good analogy. Breaking a few dates really doesn’t amount to crimes against humanity. I’d suggest you go back to quilting. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/342 "2015-03-09T00:15:41Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I suppose this makes me an asshole, and a ghoul to boot, but I admit to a certain amount of morbid curiosity regarding how Opal died. If it was not a drug overdose, either accidental or deliberate, then what the heck was it? For all I know a drunk driver crashed into her while she was out for a peaceful stroll. > > The weird part is just that no one close enough to Opal to know what caused her death will tell us. It’s no wonder speculation sets in. IIRC, and I might not, it was cardiac arrest. Yes, I know in the end, everyone dies of cardiac arrest. But I think in her case, she’d been partying a lot and not getting much sleep, and one night her heart stopped and couldn’t be started again. (I could be wrong; I’ll humbly retract this if I am.) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/343 "2015-03-09T00:19:51Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > You are referring to these exceptions because they are evil and it is okay to besmirch evil? Not a good analogy. Breaking a few dates really doesn’t amount to crimes against humanity. I’d suggest you go back to quilting. No, you missed the point. Truth is truth, whether the person is living or dead. No one is required to lie about what the dead may have done in their lives. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/344 "2015-03-09T00:22:37Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > _And…_ > > Hitler is dead. > > Stalin is dead. > > Joseph Mengele is dead. > > …um, need more? Any word on Generalissimo Francisco Franco? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/345 "2015-03-09T01:07:17Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Any word on Generalissimo Francisco Franco? Nothing yet. Wait, this just in… Generalissimo Francisco Franco is _still_ dead. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/346 "2015-03-09T01:34:10Z")
I sometimes wonder how many people actually lived in the time of that gag. Or understand why it was so funny. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/347 "2015-03-09T01:36:03Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Is it really “besmirching the reputation” of someone if you’re saying the same things about them dead as were said while they were alive? That’s a good question. And, really, it’s not like people here didn’t know her…even those who never met her knew her plenty well from all of the information she chose to put out in public. You can’t expect to have as active an online presence as she did and not have people form opinions based on that. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/348 "2015-03-09T01:38:49Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > CarnalK, but where did you hear her boyfriend was a drug addict? I’m truly curious. > **[GoFundMe - Discover](https://www.gofundme.com/discover)** > > Discover fundraisers on GoFundMe. Obviously, nobody can conclusively call someone an addict besides that person, but…Jack exhibited ALL of the behaviors of an addict. If you want more, just let me know and I’ll bring more cites. I can go all day. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/349 "2015-03-09T01:44:03Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Not sure really. Maybe I just put it together. Aging model with multiple arrests who looks like Iggy Pop. Did you hang out with him and form a different opinion? Huh. “Looks like,” “put it together,” = wrong. None of the above are true. Besides, what would it matter? ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/350 "2015-03-09T01:46:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t think anyone’s saying that Opal “deserved to die”. But she definetly had her issues. I don’t think that would be news to anyone here. Its unfortunate, but it’s true. How is that relevant? Everyone has issues, including you. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/351 "2015-03-09T01:48:08Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > He had a criminal record, it’s quite visible online. Her mom said “we don’t believe it was suicide”, which only gets said for overdoses or auto erotic asphyxiation. So maybe shut up when you don’t know jackshit? Just kidding. Please keep making a fool of yourself. > > Eta: two dogs? CarnalK, it was neither. Don’t speculate about which you know nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/352 "2015-03-09T01:51:28Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > Huh. “Looks like,” “put it together,” = wrong. None of the above are true. > > Besides, what would it matter? Aging model = true with multiple arrests = true who looks like Iggy Pop = ok, a matter of opinion but certainly not out of left field What am I missing here? You know that we all have google, right? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/353 "2015-03-09T01:53:47Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > IIRC, and I might not, it was cardiac arrest. Yes, I know in the end, everyone dies of cardiac arrest. But I think in her case, she’d been partying a lot and not getting much sleep, and one night her heart stopped and couldn’t be started again. > > (I could be wrong; I’ll humbly retract this if I am.) Where the heck are you guys getting this from?? It wasn’t that. And I understand how CairoCarol feels with being curious, but as her friend I do not feel it’s my place to divulge her personal medical information. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/354 "2015-03-09T01:56:57Z")
> [@OneCentStamp](#): > > [GoFundMe - Discover](http://www.youcaring.com/other/help-jack/48707) > > Obviously, nobody can conclusively call someone an addict besides that person, but…Jack exhibited ALL of the behaviors of an addict. > > If you want more, just let me know and I’ll bring more cites. I can go all day. Where on that page does it say he is/was an addict? Please cite some arrests for drugs. I would be interested. However, I don’t see how it’s relevant to Opal or how or why she died… ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/355 "2015-03-09T02:02:52Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Aging model = true > > with multiple arrests = true > > who looks like Iggy Pop = ok, a matter of opinion but certainly not out of left field > > What am I missing here? You know that we all have google, right? 😕 Hmm, aren’t we all “aging?” How is that adjective relevant other than to be negative? Arrests? Yes. For being a “drug addict?” I can’t find that. Even so, what does it matter that he’s “aging,” or a formerly arrested? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/356 "2015-03-09T02:05:24Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > Hmm, aren’t we all “aging?” How is that adjective relevant other than to be negative? > > Arrests? Yes. For being a “drug addict?” I can’t find that. > > Even so, what does it matter that he’s “aging,” or a formerly arrested? You said those facts weren’t true, and I was pointing out that they were. If you don’t like the conclusion reached, argue that, not that things we all know to be true aren’t. It weakens your defense considerably. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Cymbeline](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_cymbeline/32/9244_2.png) [@Green\_Cymbeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Cymbeline)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/357 "2015-03-09T02:08:43Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > You said those facts weren’t true, and I was pointing out that they were. If you don’t like the conclusion reached, argue that, not that things we all know to be true aren’t. It weakens your defense considerably. Cite for drug addict? Reason that any of the above is relevant? What is your conclusion and how do you logically get there? My “defense?” I don’t need to defend anything. I seem to be the only one around who knows the person in question, knows the truth about her, and the truth needs no defense. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/358 "2015-03-09T02:15:48Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > Cite for drug addict? I didn’t say he was. Others said signs pointed to it, that’s all. If you have a reason to believe that it’s a poorly-drawn or incorrect conclusion, say that the facts in evidence don’t add up to that, not that the facts in evidence aren’t facts. > [@](#): > > Reason that any of the above is relevant? Relevant to what? > [@](#): > > What is your conclusion and how do you logically get there? My personal opinion is that Jack is somewhat of a shady character. > [@](#): > > My “defense?” I don’t need to defend anything. I seem to be the only one around who knows the person in question, knows the truth about her, and the truth needs no defense. No, it doesn’t, and yet, you are… ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/359 "2015-03-09T02:18:57Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > Please cite some arrests for drugs. I would be interested. Google his name with the word “arrest” and you get, among other cites, that he was “wanted for possession of a controlled substance.” I’m not going to provide a link just in case the mods are feeling jack-booty. But it’s out there and you can find it as easily as I can. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/360 "2015-03-09T02:19:55Z")
> [@Green\_Cymbeline](#): > > Where on that page does it say he is/was an addict? > > Please cite some arrests for drugs. I would be interested. > > However, I don’t see how it’s relevant to Opal or how or why she died… Well, here’s a live warrant, less than three months before they met.: [ARREST WARRANTS: Wanted in Oak Forest | Oak Forest, IL Patch](http://oakforest.patch.com/articles/arrest-warrants-wanted-in-oak-forest-2b0764b3) If you want to know how it’s relevant to Opal, I can provide multiple admissions of drug abuse on her part. I mean, she overshared every every everything, and nothing on the Internet is ever truly gone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034.md?page=19)