# Hey Monty, what's the deal about Opal stabbing people in the back IRL? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2015, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034 "2015-03-02T19:14:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/141 "2015-03-04T03:58:56Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > Horse shit. > > If she earned his enmity then he has every right to point that fact out in a conversation about her. This is a silly little message board and you are a silly little poster on it, he has zero obligation to you or anybody else to explain the reasons for that enmity. I really can’t claim to have followed this 15+ year old Opal DramaFest very closely, but I just wanted to chime in to say, **bucketybuck** , I think you have beautiful eyes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/142 "2015-03-04T04:05:39Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Asks the moron with over 1,300 posts in his own global warming thread, most of them either content-free bullshit or outright misrepresentation. If anyone on this message board is an expert at flogging a dead horse, it’s you. Global warming seems on track to kill several billion of us. You may be bitter about 1,300 posts you could have refused to read, but global warming is the largest genocide against poor people this world will ever see. I notice you don’t seem very bothered by that. The more I know about people, the more I like dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/143 "2015-03-04T04:11:15Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Global warming seems on track to kill several billion of us. You may be bitter about 1,300 posts you could have refused to read, but global warming is the largest genocide against poor people this world will ever see. I notice you don’t seem very bothered by that. The more I know about people, the more I like dogs. The fuck? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/144 "2015-03-04T04:23:18Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > The fuck? 😕 The famous last words of the human race: “The fuck? 😕” Global warming is going to kill billions of people and displace more. Don’t say you weren’t warmed. I mean warned. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/145 "2015-03-04T04:26:34Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > The famous last words of the human race: “The fuck? 😕” Global warming is going to kill billions of people and displace more. Don’t say you weren’t warmed. I mean warned. Sigh. What I MEANT was, why the fuck were you getting on **mhendo** ’s case about global warming? Is it possible you meant to respond to **FXMastermind** instead? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/146 "2015-03-04T04:50:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Morgenstern and Montycrantz live in their own private world of disembodied ladyparts for them to suckle on where women are not to be believed about rape by _Bill Cosby_, the rapiest man ever in the greater Los Angeles basin. Apparently Opal handed their asses to them a few times and they are bitter about it two decades better. Do you have any clue how ridiculously childish and over-the-top your whole “schtick” is?? Gawd is it tiresome. Just reading you in this thread is enough for someone totally unfamiliar with you as a poster to never take anything you say seriously. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/147 "2015-03-04T05:01:35Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > No one’s arguing he has a _responsibility_ to elaborate. They’re saying that by not elaborating he’s making himself look very bad. He has no responsibility not to look bad. It’s up to him how he wants to look. This. The matter was swept under the rug years ago and forgotten. Now he says, in effect, “We swept some nasty dirt under the rug.” > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > So Monty thinks Opal stabbed him in the back. > > You think the ducky stabbed him in the back. > > I’m starting to think Jack stabbed Monty in the back. The stabby duck, with eyes of flame, came trolling through the pitty wood and bitched loud as it came. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/148 "2015-03-04T05:21:28Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Do you have any clue how ridiculously childish and over-the-top your whole “schtick” is?? Gawd is it tiresome. Just reading you in this thread is enough for someone totally unfamiliar with you as a poster to never take anything you say seriously. Well done. And I care what you think why? And I care what people who think like you think why? The answer is, that I don’t. There are people who clearly see what a monster Bill Cosby is, and the others, who find excuses not to see it. There are people, like Morgenstern, who refer to disembodied parts of women like an insult, and there are people who condemn using insults like that. I suppose there are sheltered people who are unaware of this sort of thing, bully for them. There are people who realize that destroying entire apartment buildings (and not replacing them) to kill a few alleged criminals is genocide, and there are people who turn a blind eye. The people who view my world view as “schtick” are the same sort of people who start wars over lies about weapons of mass destruction and distort reality so that they can stay in power and provoke more evil in the world through fear. We see that on Fox News everyday, and we saw it today with Netanyahu mongering fear and war in Congress in order to win an election in a couple weeks. You think global warming is a hoax, you are entitled to your opinion, but I’m entitled to my opinion of the psychopaths who destroy the environment, who monger war, who dismiss the accusations of 37 women and counting. You are tired of my “schtick”, put me on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/149 "2015-03-04T05:35:18Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > And I care what you think why? And I care what people who think like you think why? The answer is, that I don’t. There are people who clearly see what a monster Bill Cosby is, and the others, who find excuses not to see it. There are people, like Morgenstern, who refer to disembodied parts of women like an insult, and there are people who condemn using insults like that. I suppose there are sheltered people who are unaware of this sort of thing, bully for them. There are people who realize that destroying entire apartment buildings (and not replacing them) to kill a few alleged criminals is genocide, and there are people who turn a blind eye. > > The people who view my world view as “schtick” are the same sort of people who start wars over **lies about weapons of mass destruction and distort reality so that they can stay in power and provoke more evil in the world through fear.** We see that on Fox News everyday, and we saw it today with\*\* Netanyahu mongering fear and war in Congress\*\* in order to win an election in a couple weeks.\*\* You think global warming is a hoax, you are entitled to your opinion, but I’m entitled to my opinion of the psychopaths who destroy the environment, who monger war, who dismiss the accusations of 37 women and counting. \*\* > You are tired of my “schtick”, put me on ignore. Without commenting on the legitimacy one way or another on these issues, what my point is, is that if you really gave a shit about said issues, you’d approach debates/discussions re them with at least the smallest bit of seriousness and not completely discredit yourself from the start by calling people names and engaging in stupid hyper-hyperbole with every damn sentence you post. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/150 "2015-03-04T05:58:50Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Without commenting on the legitimacy one way or another on these issues, what my point is, is that if you really gave a shit about said issues, you’d approach debates/discussions re them with at least the smallest bit of seriousness and not completely discredit yourself from the start by calling people names and engaging in stupid hyper-hyperbole with every damn sentence you post. This is the Pit, and these are not debates. Bill Cosby as a rapist is a fact. Global warming is a scientifically proven fact. That Montycrantz and Morgenstern are misogynists (and whiny turds) is a fact. You don’t debate facts with trolls, you present facts and humiliate trolls. This tread is a pitting of Monty for his habit of attacking people without any basis and holding weird grudges for decades. It is what he does. He is a mean little fuck and so are his traveling buddies that go from thread to thread whining about how unfair it is to him to be called on his grudge holding. This isn’t a debate, it’s a smack down. So up yours and horse you rode in on. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/151 "2015-03-04T06:27:47Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > This is the Pit, and these are not debates. Bill Cosby as a rapist is a fact. Global warming is a scientifically proven fact. That Montycrantz and Morgenstern are misogynists (and whiny turds) is a fact. You don’t debate facts with trolls, you present facts and humiliate trolls. This tread is a pitting of Monty for his habit of attacking people without any basis and holding weird grudges for decades. It is what he does. He is a mean little fuck and so are his traveling buddies that go from thread to thread whining about how unfair it is to him to be called on his grudge holding. This isn’t a debate, it’s a smack down. So up yours and horse you rode in on. Yes, I know where we are. But your hyperbolic “shtick” is not limited to this one forum. Yeah, you go _particularly_ off-the-rails here but like I said, it’s your “schtick”. It’s who you are here. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/152 "2015-03-04T06:28:58Z")
Is this a meltdown in progress? Seriously, this is getting goddamned fucking surreal. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/153 "2015-03-04T06:55:45Z")
Is that African or European surreal? ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/154 "2015-03-04T07:02:03Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > Is that African or European surreal? It am I, the American Sir Eel. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/155 "2015-03-04T07:16:48Z")
A meltdown is what happened at Fukushima. And that the usual crew of fact deniers managed to get the one person who was correct on the ongoing nature and the extent of the damage prohibited from attacking the ignorant, even in the Pit. Good work, clique. [http://enenews.com/category/location/japan/fukushima-reactors](http://enenews.com/category/location/japan/fukushima-reactors) We can fight ignorance as long as we ignore the facts that the in-crowd doesn’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/156 "2015-03-04T09:09:50Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Bill Cosby as a rapist is a fact. No, it’s an unproven allegation, and nothing you can say (unless you’re hiding some actual proof) can change that. You may think it’s acceptable to call someone a rapist based on nothing more than some decades-old memories, but reasonable people don’t. He might be a rapist. These women might be telling the truth, or they might be lying or mistaken. The point is, we _can’t_ know at present, so the only reasonable thing to do is to say we don’t know, and not call him a rapist or them liars. Am I defending rapists? Yes, ultimately. I’m defending the right of _everybody_, including rapists, murderers, burglars, and whatever, not to be called a criminal without proof. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/157 "2015-03-04T09:13:13Z")
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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/158 "2015-03-04T12:34:46Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m defending the right of _everybody_, including rapists, murderers, burglars, and whatever, not to be called a criminal without proof. Aren’t you a lawyer, or do I remember wrongly? Either way, you should know that there is no such right. The right in question is to be _regarded by the state_ as innocent until proven guilty, and accordingly to not be punished by the state for commission of a crime until such proof is made. I, as a private citizen, can call someone whatever I damn well please. I can call Bush, Cheney, and Henry Kissinger war criminals, despite their having (unfortunately) never been tried in that capacity. First Amendment. Look it up. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/159 "2015-03-04T13:20:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Aren’t you a lawyer, or do I remember wrongly? > > Either way, you should know that there is no such right. > > The right in question is to be _regarded by the state_ as innocent until proven guilty, and accordingly to not be punished by the state for commission of a crime until such proof is made. > > I, as a private citizen, can call someone whatever I damn well please. I can call Bush, Cheney, and Henry Kissinger war criminals, despite their having (unfortunately) never been tried in that capacity. First Amendment. Look it up. No, I’m not a lawyer, not sure you have me mixed up with. And I consider it a _moral_ right not to be considered as a criminal based on unsupported decades-old memories, by the state or by an individual. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034/160 "2015-03-04T15:30:32Z")
Possibly worth noting (but probably not, given the history) is that shortly after that online spat between Monty and Opal, that [Monty extended an olive branch](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=19405). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-monty-whats-the-deal-about-opal-stabbing-people-in-the-back-irl/714034.md?page=9)